Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 On 7/5/01 at 8:45 AM Viorica Weissman wrote: ºhi Jan, º º It seems that my previous answer to you º is meant not to reach the group, º I give it up, º º vicki Hi Vicky, That could be called an excellent response - the entirety of manifested life will have to be given up - summarized the mix of images, sounds, thoughts and feelings... What would be easier to give up - impure or pure feelings? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 On 7/5/01 at 11:25 AM Viorica Weissman wrote: ºHi Jan , º º what would be easier to give up - º impure or pure thoughts ? º º vicki Don't ask me - I have none. Jan º º~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ º º º> Hi Vicky, º> º> That could be called an excellent response - º> the entirety of manifested life will have to º> be given up - summarized the mix of images, º> sounds, thoughts and feelings... º> º> What would be easier to give up - impure or pure feelings? º> º> Jan º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 >From 'experience here', it can be said that certain thoughts and/or feelings (feelings are thoughts too, but 'reflected' in the body) drop spontaneously (automatically), there is no "dropper" -- but "when" is not a question that can be answered, " " has no "timetable." Peace & Happiness, Tim , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 7/5/01 at 11:25 AM Viorica Weissman wrote: > > ºHi Jan , > º > º what would be easier to give up - > º impure or pure thoughts ? > º > º vicki > > Don't ask me - I have none. > > Jan > º > º~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > º > º > º> Hi Vicky, > º> > º> That could be called an excellent response - > º> the entirety of manifested life will have to > º> be given up - summarized the mix of images, > º> sounds, thoughts and feelings... > º> > º> What would be easier to give up - impure or pure feelings? > º> > º> Jan > º > º > º/join > º > º > º > º > º > ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. > ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome > ºall to a. > º > º > º > ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 7/5/01 at 8:45 AM Viorica Weissman wrote: > > ºhi Jan, > º > º It seems that my previous answer to you > º is meant not to reach the group, > º I give it up, > º > º vicki > > Hi Vicky, > > That could be called an excellent response - > the entirety of manifested life will have to > be given up - summarized the mix of images, > sounds, thoughts and feelings... > > What would be easier to give up - impure or pure feelings? > > Jan Namaste All, Be careful JB has spying programmes on the internet and is spying on you while you write here!!! This may be fine on the fearful 'nondualitysalon', but it shouldn't be done here. I think jb should promise not to be spying on posters here.....ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 Namaste All,Be careful JB has spying programmes on the internet and is spying on you while you write here!!! This may be fine on the fearful 'nondualitysalon', but it shouldn't be done here. I think jb should promise not to be spying on posters here.....ONS....Tony. Dear Tony, Even better, we could all change our names and move to an undisclosed location, posting anonymously thru hotmail accounts! Ha! and hahaha as you say. Why would anyone fear "spying" if they had nothing to hide to begin with? Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 Aloha: "what would be easier to give up - impure or pure thoughts" ? My Ego will answer. "You cant have one without the other" Love, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 , "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote: > > Namaste All, > > Be careful JB has spying programmes on the internet and is spying on > you while you write here!!! This may be fine on the fearful > 'nondualitysalon', but it shouldn't be done here. I think jb should > promise not to be spying on posters here.....ONS....Tony. > > > Dear Tony, > > Even better, we could all change our names and move to an undisclosed location, posting anonymously thru hotmail accounts! Ha! and hahaha as you say. > > Why would anyone fear "spying" if they had nothing to hide to begin with? > > Gloria Namaste All, Glo are you saying that people use pseudonyms on the internet? No!!! Actually with regard to hiding, many people would rather stay anonymous. I post in my own name because I have been threatened and it is easier for a pseudonym to disappear. However there is no excuse in examining posters, like the Chinese Commos with Falun Gong or something. It is rude intrusive and extremely dualistic and egotistical on behalf of the person spying. Who cares whether a post originated in Toronto and then went to Seattle and then to Europe????It is what the poster says that is the point. Vndists are very fearful people and censorship minded. This is due the the giant thoughtwave in their minds going nowhere, due to samskaras. So they go examing others on the net censoring, etc. haahahahahahahahahaahahah This is an interesting game.hahahahahahh ONS.........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 On 7/5/01 at 6:41 PM ALTON A ALTON wrote: ºAloha: º º"what would be easier to give up - º impure or pure thoughts" ? º ºMy Ego will answer. º"You cant have one without the other" º ºLove, ºAlton According to Ramana, you can - I had a good laugh though. If for a jnani there are only "pure" desires, why the adjective "pure"? So someone show the borderline - where does "impure" end and "pure" begin... Love, Jan ------------------------ Q: Does a jnani have Sankalpas [desires]? A: The main qualities of the ordinary mind are Tamas [sloth, inertia] and Rajas[passion, excitement]; hence it is full of egoistic desires and weaknesses. But the jnani's mind is Suddhi-Sattva [pure harmony] and formless, functioning in the subtle Vijnanmayakosha [the sheath of knowledge],through which he keeps contact with the world. His desires are therefore also pure. ---------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 Dear Jan: > You wrote: According to Ramana, you can - I had a good laugh though. > If for a jnani there are only "pure" desires, why the adjective "pure"? > So someone show the borderline - where does "impure" end > and "pure" begin... When concepts cease the impure dies With concepts demise the pure arise Said by Sage Alton Aways love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 , "ALTON A ALTON" <lostnfoundation> wrote: > Dear Jan: > > > > You wrote: According to Ramana, you can - I had a good laugh though. > > If for a jnani there are only "pure" desires, why the > adjective "pure"? > > So someone show the borderline - where does "impure" end > > and "pure" begin... > > When concepts cease the impure dies > With concepts demise the pure arise > > Said by Sage Alton > > Aways love. Namaste All, A pure desire is just a reflection of the original desire to project the appearance of the material world. It is the desire of sacrifice. ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 On 7/5/01 at 8:02 PM ALTON A ALTON wrote: ºDear Jan: º º º> You wrote: According to Ramana, you can - I had a good laugh though. º> If for a jnani there are only "pure" desires, why the ºadjective "pure"? º> So someone show the borderline - where does "impure" end º> and "pure" begin... º ºWhen concepts cease the impure dies ºWith concepts demise the pure arise º ºSaid by Sage Alton º ºAways love. What is concept is, depends on the perspective - there is one 'where' love and compassion are but concepts... 'pure' and 'impure' being concepts, how could thoughts about the distinction arise? Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 7/5/01 at 8:02 PM ALTON A ALTON wrote: > > ºDear Jan: > º > º > º> You wrote: According to Ramana, you can - I had a good laugh though. > º> If for a jnani there are only "pure" desires, why the > ºadjective "pure"? > º> So someone show the borderline - where does "impure" end > º> and "pure" begin... > º > ºWhen concepts cease the impure dies > ºWith concepts demise the pure arise > º > ºSaid by Sage Alton > º > ºAways love. > > What is concept is, depends on the perspective - > there is one 'where' love and compassion are but concepts... > 'pure' and 'impure' being concepts, how could > thoughts about the distinction arise? > > Love, Jan Distinction here is what we do How else to discover the "Who Are You" love, Alton Duties now. Wash the floor Go get food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 On 7/5/01 at 10:00 PM ALTON A ALTON wrote: º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: º> On 7/5/01 at 8:02 PM ALTON A ALTON wrote: º> º> ºDear Jan: º> º º> º º> º> You wrote: According to Ramana, you can - I had a good laugh ºthough. º> º> If for a jnani there are only "pure" desires, why the º> ºadjective "pure"? º> º> So someone show the borderline - where does "impure" end º> º> and "pure" begin... º> º º> ºWhen concepts cease the impure dies º> ºWith concepts demise the pure arise º> º º> ºSaid by Sage Alton º> º º> ºAways love. º> º> What is concept is, depends on the perspective - º> there is one 'where' love and compassion are but concepts... º> 'pure' and 'impure' being concepts, how could º> thoughts about the distinction arise? º> º> Love, ºJan º ºDistinction here is what we do ºHow else to discover the "Who Are You" º ºlove, ºAlton º ºDuties now. Wash the floor Go get food. What if eventually there would be the discovery that making distinctions, characterized by the use of adjectives like 'pure', 'impure', holy', 'profane' etc. is what prevents to 'see' that which is without distinction? Just a comment in the form of a question - here, no need for, among others, discoveries. Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote:> > What if eventually there would be the discovery that making distinctions, > characterized by the use of adjectives like 'pure', 'impure', holy', 'profane' etc. > is what prevents to 'see' that which is without distinction? > Just a comment in the form of a question - here, no need for, among others, > discoveries. > > Love, > Jan Namaste All, This is more vndistic twaddle non experiential, intellectualising from our resident 'sticky beak' and 'super spy'. Pure means unsullied, Absolute, therefore Brahman/Nirvana or whatever. This speculative meandering without sila or purification is just vndism again and again. It prevents nothing, purity allows one to realise the truth, ask Jesus or the Buddha. I suggest you put your enquiring mind where it desires to go, eavesdropping on the internet. Nobody needs non experiential advice it is insulting and ignorant........ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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