Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Would like to add to Pieters Response To Message 2 [Yogapsychology] Digest Number 168 Some correspondance between myself and Gurubhakti M in regard to the use of the nectar described by Pieter. > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > > "M" <currwamp > > "Dale Parks" <dalerdmaster > > Re: Kechari Mudra > > Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:50:49 -0600 > > > > No problem. In Shaiva Tantric, the khechari mudra > is > > done by sitting with the eyes closed, back erect. > > You stare at the point between the two eyebrows, > the > > ajna chakra. You take the tongue, with teeth > > together, and curl it backwards as far as you can > > until it is curled upwards and back, with the tip > of > > it touching the roof of the mouth. > > > > The whole point of doing this is to stop the > prana, > > the vital vayu, from descending back down through > > the juncture of the ida, pingala, and sushumna. In > > Shaivism, the whole point of this mudra is to stop > > the "nectar of wisdom" from "dripping" downward. > > > > The problem is, though, that it is an advanced > > mudra, for one must aready have pierced the knot > of > > the ajna. This means the ajna must be spinning or > > active. > > > > This was never meant to be used unless by > competent > > supervision and only if the appropriate level of > > attainment has been reached. > > > > You may well benefit, but it is advanced, and > > dangerous, to say the least. The long term > effects, > > which may not be known for some time, are many. > > > > Use at your discretion good friend. > > > > Love > > M > > > > Dale Parks <dalerdmaster > > M <currwamp > > Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:55 PM > > Kechari Mudra > > > > > > M, > > > > Would appreciate it if you doing this stuff, > you > > > > sending me the techniques. The way I heard > > it it has to do with curling the tongue back > > into the soft palate. And a fear has to be > over > > come of choking on the tongue. > > > > I`ve been aware since the 1950`s of the Ida, > > pingala, and sushuma connections in the > > location you pointed to, as this is the > > balancing > > of prana kundalini points in Raja Yoga. > > > > I`m just trying to get an understanding of > what > > this new thing to me is all about. Opinion of > > the one first teaching the technique reserved, > > but it has resulted in a shakti-pat > expieriance > > for one I know and am in correspondance > > > >with. > > > > Would appreciate more from you, and it is > > not my wish to over impose, but am afraid > > I can`t put anything into context except the > > results spoken from it, and not what the > > are supposed to be in the thing. > > > > Thanks for anything further. > > > > L D ===== Cognosce Te Ipsum Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Dear Papa: A person came to out place a number of years ago, who was initiated in Kriya yoga by one of the living masters. He told us to place your tongue as far back and under the soft pallet and then reach up higher and touch the petuitary gland. Was that a lot of bull? I can get my tongue under the soft pallet. Also are you an initiate of Guru M? You can email your answer to me if you think it is appropriate not to discuss it here. Love, Alton Thanks in advance and for the links too. , papa swan OM <papa_swan> wrote: > Would like to add to Pieters Response To > Message 2 [Yogapsychology] Digest Number 168 > > Some correspondance between myself and Gurubhakti M > in regard to the use of the nectar described by > Pieter. > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > > > "M" <currwamp@i...> > > > "Dale Parks" <dalerdmaster@w...> > > > Re: Kechari Mudra > > > Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:50:49 -0600 > > > > > > No problem. In Shaiva Tantric, the khechari mudra > > is > > > done by sitting with the eyes closed, back erect. > > > You stare at the point between the two eyebrows, > > the > > > ajna chakra. You take the tongue, with teeth > > > together, and curl it backwards as far as you can > > > until it is curled upwards and back, with the tip > > of > > > it touching the roof of the mouth. > > > > > > The whole point of doing this is to stop the > > prana, > > > the vital vayu, from descending back down through > > > the juncture of the ida, pingala, and sushumna. In > > > Shaivism, the whole point of this mudra is to stop > > > the "nectar of wisdom" from "dripping" downward. > > > > > > The problem is, though, that it is an advanced > > > mudra, for one must aready have pierced the knot > > of > > > the ajna. This means the ajna must be spinning or > > > active. > > > > > > This was never meant to be used unless by > > competent > > > supervision and only if the appropriate level of > > > attainment has been reached. > > > > > > You may well benefit, but it is advanced, and > > > dangerous, to say the least. The long term > > effects, > > > which may not be known for some time, are many. > > > > > > Use at your discretion good friend. > > > > > > Love > > > M > > > > > > Dale Parks <dalerdmaster@w...> > > > M <currwamp@i...> > > > Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:55 PM > > > Kechari Mudra > > > > > > > > > M, > > > > > > Would appreciate it if you doing this stuff, > > you > > > > > > sending me the techniques. The way I heard > > > it it has to do with curling the tongue back > > > into the soft palate. And a fear has to be > > over > > > come of choking on the tongue. > > > > > > I`ve been aware since the 1950`s of the Ida, > > > pingala, and sushuma connections in the > > > location you pointed to, as this is the > > > balancing > > > of prana kundalini points in Raja Yoga. > > > > > > I`m just trying to get an understanding of > > what > > > this new thing to me is all about. Opinion of > > > the one first teaching the technique reserved, > > > but it has resulted in a shakti-pat > > expieriance > > > for one I know and am in correspondance > > > > >with. > > > > > > Would appreciate more from you, and it is > > > not my wish to over impose, but am afraid > > > I can`t put anything into context except the > > > results spoken from it, and not what the > > > are supposed to be in the thing. > > > > > > Thanks for anything further. > > > > > > L D > > > > > > ===== > Cognosce Te Ipsum > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail > http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 One time, I lied down on a bed of nails with a penny on my forehead. The object was to roll the eyeballs all the way backward into the head, so as to see the pineal gland, while simultaneously curling the toes upward. This must be done with hair spiked and standing on end, or there is terrible danger of the Kundalini energy exiting through the tip of the nose. If that were to happen, a swarm of bees is bound to come from nowhere and viciously attack. So in order to keep that from happening, in addition to spiking the hair, an OM symbol must be painted on the stomach with black paint, and also on the third eye chakra. This must be done skillfully. If all these conditions are fulfilled, a white light will be seen descending from the crown chakra to the neck. It will then turn purple and begin to throb. A yellow alien being (an incarnation of Shiva) will emerge from the purple blob of light and enter the head through the third eye. When that happens, a single bee will approach and begin to buzz around the head. This bee has no stinger and is safe. It will alight on the tip of the nose, and the bed of nails will be felt no more. At that point, consciousness will expand to fill the universe. But in order to make this enlightened state permanent, the following must be uttered 91 times while pushing the left cheek outward from inside the mouth (very difficult): OM Shiva OM, Ram Hari Krishna OM Hari Krishna, OM Hari Ram After this is repeated, the crown chakra will explode, body consciousness will fade forever, and the enlightened state is reached. But obviously, this practice should NEVER be attempted without an enlightened Guru to guide you, or it could utterly destroy the mind. Use utmost caution. Namaste, Sri Sri Bhagwan Swami Omkaradattananda Maharaj Saraswati , papa swan OM <papa_swan> wrote: > > > > > > No problem. In Shaiva Tantric, the khechari mudra > > is > > > done by sitting with the eyes closed, back erect. > > > You stare at the point between the two eyebrows, > > the > > > ajna chakra. You take the tongue, with teeth > > > together, and curl it backwards as far as you can > > > until it is curled upwards and back, with the tip > > of > > > it touching the roof of the mouth. > > > > > > The whole point of doing this is to stop the > > prana, > > > the vital vayu, from descending back down through > > > the juncture of the ida, pingala, and sushumna. In > > > Shaivism, the whole point of this mudra is to stop > > > the "nectar of wisdom" from "dripping" downward. > > > > > > The problem is, though, that it is an advanced > > > mudra, for one must aready have pierced the knot > > of > > > the ajna. This means the ajna must be spinning or > > > active. > > > > > > This was never meant to be used unless by > > competent > > > supervision and only if the appropriate level of > > > attainment has been reached. > > > > > > You may well benefit, but it is advanced, and > > > dangerous, to say the least. The long term > > effects, > > > which may not be known for some time, are many. > > > > > > Use at your discretion good friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Great Comedy! ) --- Omkara <coresite wrote: > > One time, I lied down on a bed of nails with a penny > on my forehead. > The object was to roll the eyeballs all the way > backward into the > head, so as to see the pineal gland, while > simultaneously curling the > toes upward. > > This must be done with hair spiked and standing on > end, or there is > terrible danger of the Kundalini energy exiting > through the tip of > the nose. If that were to happen, a swarm of bees > is bound to come > from nowhere and viciously attack. So in order to > keep that from > happening, in addition to spiking the hair, an OM > symbol must be > painted on the stomach with black paint, and also on > the third eye > chakra. This must be done skillfully. > > If all these conditions are fulfilled, a white light > will be seen > descending from the crown chakra to the neck. It > will then turn > purple and begin to throb. A yellow alien being (an > incarnation of > Shiva) will emerge from the purple blob of light and > enter the head > through the third eye. > > When that happens, a single bee will approach and > begin to buzz > around the head. This bee has no stinger and is > safe. It will > alight on the tip of the nose, and the bed of nails > will be felt no > more. > > At that point, consciousness will expand to fill the > universe. But > in order to make this enlightened state permanent, > the following must > be uttered 91 times while pushing the left cheek > outward from inside > the mouth (very difficult): > > OM Shiva OM, Ram Hari Krishna > OM Hari Krishna, OM Hari Ram > > After this is repeated, the crown chakra will > explode, body > consciousness will fade forever, and the enlightened > state is > reached. But obviously, this practice should NEVER > be attempted > without an enlightened Guru to guide you, or it > could utterly destroy > the mind. Use utmost caution. > > Namaste, > > Sri Sri Bhagwan Swami Omkaradattananda Maharaj > Saraswati > > > > , papa swan OM > <papa_swan> wrote: > > > > > > > > No problem. In Shaiva Tantric, the khechari > mudra > > > is > > > > done by sitting with the eyes closed, back > erect. > > > > You stare at the point between the two > eyebrows, > > > the > > > > ajna chakra. You take the tongue, with teeth > > > > together, and curl it backwards as far as you > can > > > > until it is curled upwards and back, with the > tip > > > of > > > > it touching the roof of the mouth. > > > > > > > > The whole point of doing this is to stop the > > > prana, > > > > the vital vayu, from descending back down > through > > > > the juncture of the ida, pingala, and > sushumna. In > > > > Shaivism, the whole point of this mudra is to > stop > > > > the "nectar of wisdom" from "dripping" > downward. > > > > > > > > The problem is, though, that it is an advanced > > > > mudra, for one must aready have pierced the > knot > > > of > > > > the ajna. This means the ajna must be spinning > or > > > > active. > > > > > > > > This was never meant to be used unless by > > > competent > > > > supervision and only if the appropriate level > of > > > > attainment has been reached. > > > > > > > > You may well benefit, but it is advanced, and > > > > dangerous, to say the least. The long term > > > effects, > > > > which may not be known for some time, are > many. > > > > > > > > Use at your discretion good friend. > > > ===== Cognosce Te Ipsum Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 , papa swan OM <papa_swan> wrote: > Great Comedy! ) My thanks ;-). Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Tear of joy well received. ) My thanks to you. papa swan --- Omkara <coresite wrote: > > , papa swan OM > <papa_swan> wrote: > > Great Comedy! ) > > My thanks ;-). > > Namaste, > > Omkara > > ===== Cognosce Te Ipsum Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 I'm gunna try it: Qestions: What size nails should I use? Do I need to have a pedicure first? Should I have a permanent to get my hair to stand on end? Actually, I just realized that I have a shaved head. Do I rent a hair piece? What color, blond? Will they be killer bees? Can I hire someone to paint the OM on as I dont do art? Shall I demand to see the aliens Green card first? At that point, consciousness will expand to fill the universe. But > in order to make this enlightened state permanent, the following must > be uttered 91 times while pushing the left cheek outward from inside > the mouth (very difficult): > > OM Shiva OM, Ram Hari Krishna > OM Hari Krishna, OM Hari Ram > What happens If I miscount or just space out? "But obviously, this practice should NEVER be attempted > without an enlightened Guru to guide you, or it could utterly destroy > the mind. Use utmost caution." I need some excitment in my life so I will try it by myself. Please dont tell me to BEE careful. Love, Alton > , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > One time, I lied down on a bed of nails with a penny on my forehead. > The object was to roll the eyeballs all the way backward into the > head, so as to see the pineal gland, while simultaneously curling the > toes upward. > > This must be done with hair spiked and standing on end, or there is > terrible danger of the Kundalini energy exiting through the tip of > the nose. If that were to happen, a swarm of bees is bound to come > from nowhere and viciously attack. So in order to keep that from > happening, in addition to spiking the hair, an OM symbol must be > painted on the stomach with black paint, and also on the third eye > chakra. This must be done skillfully. > > If all these conditions are fulfilled, a white light will be seen > descending from the crown chakra to the neck. It will then turn > purple and begin to throb. A yellow alien being (an incarnation of > Shiva) will emerge from the purple blob of light and enter the head > through the third eye. > > When that happens, a single bee will approach and begin to buzz > around the head. This bee has no stinger and is safe. It will > alight on the tip of the nose, and the bed of nails will be felt no > more. > > > After this is repeated, the crown chakra will explode, body > consciousness will fade forever, and the enlightened state is > reached. But obviously, this practice should NEVER be attempted > without an enlightened Guru to guide you, or it could utterly destroy > the mind. Use utmost caution. > > Namaste, > > Sri Sri Bhagwan Swami Omkaradattananda Maharaj Saraswati > > > > , papa swan OM <papa_swan> wrote: > > > > > > > > No problem. In Shaiva Tantric, the khechari mudra > > > is > > > > done by sitting with the eyes closed, back erect. > > > > You stare at the point between the two eyebrows, > > > the > > > > ajna chakra. You take the tongue, with teeth > > > > together, and curl it backwards as far as you can > > > > until it is curled upwards and back, with the tip > > > of > > > > it touching the roof of the mouth. > > > > > > > > The whole point of doing this is to stop the > > > prana, > > > > the vital vayu, from descending back down through > > > > the juncture of the ida, pingala, and sushumna. In > > > > Shaivism, the whole point of this mudra is to stop > > > > the "nectar of wisdom" from "dripping" downward. > > > > > > > > The problem is, though, that it is an advanced > > > > mudra, for one must aready have pierced the knot > > > of > > > > the ajna. This means the ajna must be spinning or > > > > active. > > > > > > > > This was never meant to be used unless by > > > competent > > > > supervision and only if the appropriate level of > > > > attainment has been reached. > > > > > > > > You may well benefit, but it is advanced, and > > > > dangerous, to say the least. The long term > > > effects, > > > > which may not be known for some time, are many. > > > > > > > > Use at your discretion good friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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