labeling/Alton

[Guest guest]

Hi Alton,

How did you know I was away traveling too? And here I was hoping

people would think my silence was a sign of high spiritual attainment

and the restraint of great wisdom. Ha! You must be psychic the same

way I am, which is accidentally.

Alton, if you are complaining of conflicts and a lack of justice, then

you are "asking" for the very moderation you just deplored.

"Ok, you are full of bull"...that was fun to say! Alton, you know I

love you by now, don't you? And you know you can think and believe

and discuss whatever you like here, as long as that good ol' feeling

of amity prevails. We don't ask for that much here really, but I

highly recommend you have a good sense of humor.

Love, Gloria

PS. papa swan (cool name!), you are welcome to post links and info on

other lists here...especially as Alton has an insatiable thirst for

knowledge, please help us!

- ALTON A ALTON

Sunday, July 08, 2001 3:25 PM

Re: labeling

Dear Gloria: You choose a good time to travel, so you missed lots of

conflicts here.About the panic attacks. Tony Robbins could have

gotten rid of them in one session.I could have in a number of

sessions by defusing the charge in the last attack and then working

backwards to free you of them peramanently without medication. It's

ok to tell me I am full of bull.I love accusers or those who see

things differently. I also value justice and fairness, which has not

happened around here lately.Question. Does anyone know what Kashmir

Shavism is about, and if you do please post some links or email me

ones that you think are excellant.Love,Alton:--- In

, nierika@a... wrote:> Alton, responding to Gloria

wrote:> > > >> There is no shame in the defining of the disease. <

> Hmmm...Gloria, I have been traveling, so I missed your original

post. And so > please excuse me if what I share isn't completely

relevant. Also, please feel > free to email me if you want to talk

more about this. When I was growing up > (in an abusive home) and

having many experiences that wreaked havoc with my > biochemistry,

not to mention my psychology, I often heard stories of my > "crazy

aunt X." Since I experienced some of auntie X's "craziness"

firsthand, > these were very potent stories. I learned that she was

institutionalized for > an attempt to kill her mother. (In

retrospect, thinking back on this gave me > some understanding of

where my father's abusive behavior got its start.) And > I was told

over and over, "you're just like your aunt X." So I grew into my >

teen and young 20's years with an abject terror of going crazy. And I

had > many things happening to me during that time and since that

would have been > grist for any therapist's mill. (I also realize

that not all "mental illness" > stems from abusive homes; sometimes

it is just mixed up chemistry.) Also, I > have been in therapy for

most of my life, since my early 20's. The up side of > that is that I

had good therapists who kept telling me I wasn't crazy, and > that my

experiences were...a variety of things, depending on the therapist. >

The down side is that I was never given a proper diagnosis until

several > years ago when, due to job stress, I developed severe panic

disorder (this > was, by the way, diagnosed by my medical physician,

and had previously been > misdiagnosed as several things by a

previous physician). My doctor sent me to > a shrink for treatment

because, as he put it: "I am not qualified to dispense > the

medication you need to help you with this." (The medication actually

did > help.) However...> > Somewhere along the line, the shrink who

was treating me decided I might be > bipolar, and so he started

giving me medication for that. This part of it was > a nightmare. The

medication made me ill; it didn't help any of my symptoms, > and when

he took me off of any of them, especially the Lithium, the >

withdrawal was horrible. This shrink was never convinced that I was

not > bipolar, despite the fact that both my therapist and a

neurologist who had > been seeing me said that I was not. He did, at

my insistence, though, agree > to stop trying out bipolar meds on me

and to go back to the panic meds that > had actually helped. > > When

I told my current therapist about this experience, he chuckled, and

then > said he realized this was actually very serious, but that the

bipolar > catagory has become a sort of catch-all (kind of like

hyperactivity has been > for children) where people get lumped when

the person is not really sure > where to put them. He also said it is

a kind of faddish thing in the > profession (he is a psychologist, but

due to the total lack of shrinks in > this part of the country, he

does alot of things that shrinks normally do, > except prescribe

meds). He helped me put my lifelong symptoms into > perspective

(anxiety, with the panic being the extreme end of the scale), >

relative to how I grew up (in fear and terror), and he has also

helped me to > learn many tools to defuse the symptoms, which are

sometimes psychological > and sometimes physiological and sometimes

both. One of these is breathing, > essentially pranayama, though he

doesn't call it that. The other is focus on > my behavior and

emotional responses, rather than on the behavior and > emotional

responses of others. And I do still take medication, though at a >

much lower level. As I get ready to move to NM this fall, and so

leave this > wonderful doc, I think of him as one of my upagurus.

(Please refer to > previous post about this, if you like.)> > I have

no idea what is going on with your family member, but I do know that

a > correct diagnosis is extremely helpful, and that if there is any

question, it > is always helpful to have a second, or even a third,

opinion. I also know > that the behavior of people who are suffering

emotional pain (and darn if I > can separate out the

mind/body/emotions, they all seem quite linked to me) > can

completely disrupt the lives of people around them. I know because I

grew > up with someone who was very sick emotionally, and I can see

how that > behavior affected all of us in the home. And I know

because I look back on > some of the coping behaviors I have had in

the past (of course, I didn't call > them this at the time; to me

they were completely justifiable responses to > the situations at

hand), and I see how very disruptive and harmful they were > and have

been. I work very hard on myself, and still I fall down, >

revert/resort to old patterns, and then feel very badly. Another gift

of my > current therapist is not to beat myself about the head and

shoulders for > these but to reflect on them and see where I might

have intervened with my > own emotional response. (This, by the way,

dovetails amazingly well with a > very cogent description of the 8

limbs of yoga in the book, "The Guru and the > Goddess," in the part

of the book addressing the Kasyapa Sutra.) > Okay...shanti ~

Linda/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Gloria:

 

I almost knew you were traveling but I thought it was Astral?

Did you see my letter of resignation as Psychic on another board so I

can be the resident psychic here?

 

Gloria wrote:

> Alton, if you are complaining of conflicts and a lack of justice,

then you are "asking" for the very moderation you just deplored.

 

Now you are finally getting it. Our attachments are inside and that

is how we tip our hands. Why the hell do you think I reacted like

that? If Wim asked me as his friend to apologize to someone here or

anyplace, would I turn him down even though I thoughT I did not have

to apologize. NO, I WOULD DO AS HE ASKED TO SHOW MY FRIENDSHIP.

 

I hate injustice and in-groups that evidentally you are a part of. So

What that's life.

 

If you walk down the street and you see Ice Cream Parlors are you

attached to Cocktail lounges?

 

"> "Ok, you are full of bull"..."

 

Now I really know that you are my dear friend.

 

"PS. papa swan (cool name!), you are welcome to post links and info

on other lists here...especially as Alton has an insatiable thirst

for knowledge, please help us!"

 

Now Gloria gave her sanction:

 

"Anyone recommend some good Free Porno sites.

OMKARA from what someone just posted about you the other day, you

must know some good ones. HA HA

 

Love,

Alton

[Guest guest]

Dear Alton,

 

You wrote:

> If Wim asked me as his friend to apologize to someone here or

> anyplace, would I turn him down even though I thoughT I did not have

> to apologize. NO, I WOULD DO AS HE ASKED TO SHOW MY FRIENDSHIP.

 

I would not ask you to apologize for anything to me or to anybody else,

Alton.

I have never asked anybody ever to apologize, not even when I was urged

by my parents and friends to have the various people who molested and

mistreated me, apologize.

 

One sorts that out in a totally different way...

 

How is it Alton, that to you friendship and communication came to be so

conditional?

 

Anyway Alton, do not let anything distract you from the enquiry "Who am

I?"

 

Love as always, Wim

 

http://www.aurasphere.dhs.org

 

"Indirect knowledge gathered from books or teachers can never set a

human free until its truth is investigated, applied, experimented with

and experienced. Only direct, factual and actual realization does that.

Realize your whole self, reintegrate mind and body." - Tripura Rahasya,

18: 89-90