Sanskrit

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>> Do you read Sanskrit? I used to, around 1975... After an adverse

stressful period in 1985 I lost the skill, have to learn it again..

<<

Dear Wim ~ ah, again, let me thank you, and I will try to let this be

my last reply to your wonderful, chocked full of great stuff to

relate to, post. I have been very...well...

frustrated is not exactly the correct word, but perhaps a bit down in

the mouth now and then at my lack of knowledge of Sanskrit. Recently

through reading some wonderful books that include the original

Sanskrit characters, along with the transliteration to English

pronunciation, and then translations, I am beginning to pick up some

words, but it is so small compared to what I am reading and want to

understand. I also have seen, via the translations, that some words

have more than one or even two meanings, depending on the context,

and I would love to understand completely what I am reading in at

least the transliterated Sanskrit, if not the original characters. Is

there any kind of good primer for beginners you could recommend? A

good, but not too expensive Sanskrit (to English transliteration)

dictionary? I have been learning some wonderful mantras, and

relearning others. The Gayatri is one, which I love, and another

starts tryumbakum yajamahe, sagundahim pushtavardinam...it is about

excellent cucumbers being freed from their stems and immortality. I

adore it. And by the way, where do you teach your classes?

Shanti ~ Linda

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Hello Linda:

The American Sanskrit Institute gives a good first level course for

about $45.00 tapes and manual included.....you can find them on the

web. How much do you consider expensive I have a good one that cost

me $60.00 but the person who sold it to me loved profit so I suspect

the price was actually cheaper. The 2nd mantra that you mention is

the Maha Mrytunjaya which some consider the 2nd mantra after being

initiated with the Gayatri. The Maha Mrytunjaya works incredibly

well on physical ailments and is the #1 prescribed remedial in Vedic

Astrology. Be aware that getting a Sanskrit dictionary does not end

one's frustration....it can literally take hours to track down one

word :-).

Namaste,

Linda

Dear Wim ~ ah, again, let me thank you, and I will try to let this be

my last reply to your wonderful, chocked full of great stuff to relate

to, post. I have been very...well... frustrated is not exactly the

correct word, but perhaps a bit down in the mouth now and then at my

lack of knowledge of Sanskrit. Recently through reading some

wonderful books that include the original Sanskrit characters, along

with the transliteration to English pronunciation, and then

translations, I am beginning to pick up some words, but it is so

small compared to what I am reading and want to understand. I also

have seen, via the translations, that some words have more than one

or even two meanings, depending on the context, and I would love to

understand completely what I am reading in at least the

transliterated Sanskrit, if not the original characters. Is there any

kind of good primer for beginners you could recommend? A good, but not

too expensive Sanskrit (to English transliteration) dictionary? I have

been learning some wonderful mantras, and relearning others. The

Gayatri is one, which I love, and another starts tryumbakum yajamahe,

sagundahim pushtavardinam...it is about excellent cucumbers being

freed from their stems and immortality. I adore it. And by the way,

where do you teach your classes? Shanti ~ Linda

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and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

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the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

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Dear Linda and Linda:

 

The American Sanskrit Institute, Yep.

 

Learning to write Sanskrit is a most wonderful practice.

Pronouncing the characters is quite hard for Westerners.

A Sanskrit dictionary is not alphabetical... so you need to learn the

Sanskrit sequence of characters...

Reading the Bhagavat Gita in Sanskrit with an English translation is a joy.

I did this for many years (Alton can envision how I did this while

sitting in a very small hot room.)

A Sanskrit etymological dictionary would be the very best for

understanding old texts, the newer translations are not always

suitable... I have not found any of such dictionaries... except for

sporadic treatment in western etymological dictionaries. (When I was

monk, way back when I was 19, I had a monk teacher who taught me

Greek based on, amongst others languages, Sanskrit etymological

roots.)

 

Example: "Maya" originally did not mean illusion, originally it meant

measuring (or relating one size to another.) "Matter" and "meter" MAY

come from a common root. "Maat" in Dutch is "Measure" in English. I

figure that the very first scientist, who first used the word "maya"

already new about relativity...

Interesting that in English the word "relative" can also have an tinge

of "illusion" in its meaning, "It's all so relative." with the

appropriate body language.

Another example: "Karma" is linked to a root that means harmony,

meaning fitting things together so that it stays together. Carpenter,

cart or chariot might all be related to it. Karma originally meant

"physically fitting pieces together", work, labour... After the

invention of the wheel the chariot or cart...

Understanding any antique Sanskrit text without an inkling of original

root meanings has created an immense amount of confusion. It is so sad

that liberation literature has created bondage as well. I am at the

moment studying the original words of Jesus (Q gospel?) from an

Aramaic perspective... Most of you know that I have direct memories

of Jesus' life and words, what a fantastic discovery and celebration

for truth it is for me that my original memories and intuition is

corroborated now by contemporary language study...

 

Love, Wim

Hello Linda:

 

The American Sanskrit Institute gives a good first level course for

about $45.00 tapes and manual included.....you can find them on the

web. How much do you consider expensive I have a good one that cost

me $60.00 but the person who sold it to me loved profit so I suspect

the price was actually cheaper. The 2nd mantra that you mention is

the Maha Mrytunjaya which some consider the 2nd mantra after being

initiated with the Gayatri. The Maha Mrytunjaya works incredibly

well on physical ailments and is the #1 prescribed remedial in Vedic

Astrology. Be aware that getting a Sanskrit dictionary does not end

one's frustration....it can literally take hours to track down one

word :-).

 

Namaste,

Linda

Dear Wim ~ ah, again, let me thank you, and I will try to let this be

my last reply to your wonderful, chocked full of great stuff to

relate to, post.

 

I also have seen, via the translations, that some words have more than

one or even two meanings, depending on the context, and I would love

to understand completely what I am reading in at least the

transliterated Sanskrit, if not the original characters. Is there any

kind of good primer for beginners you could recommend? A good, but not

too expensive Sanskrit (to English transliteration) dictionary?

 

Shanti ~ Linda

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Hi William:

>The American Sanskrit Institute, Yep.

>Example: "Maya" originally did not mean illusion, originally it meant

measuring (or relating one size to >another.) "Matter" and "meter" MAY

come from a common root. "Maat" in Dutch is "Measure" in English. I

>figure that the very first scientist, who first used the word "maya"

already new about relativity...

>Interesting that in English the word "relative" can also have an

tinge of "illusion" in its meaning, "It's all >so relative." with the

appropriate body language.

Ahh....the joys and frustrations of Sanskrit....I came across, in a

lecture, an interesting take on 'maya'...'ya' is a root for 'yagna'

and can translate as 'the way to God'....while 'ma' can also mean

magic.... the teacher came to a conclusion that another way of

looking at 'maya' was not so much as negative illusion but working

with the magic as a way to God. Being interested in the Sanskrit

alaphet in relation to planets and chakras I was comfortable with

'ma' as being one of the symbols or sounds for Saturn, material

existence and the root chakra....therefore "ya' as the root for

'yagna' sacrifice as a way to God.....one could work the energy from

the root chakra all the way up or simply surrender to the magic of

physical life as part of the wonder of creation.

There is a translaion of the Yoga Sutras of Patanjal by Swami

Satchidananda put out by Integral Yoga Publications that is wonderful

to work with for writing the alaphbet, chanting the sutras in Sanskrit

and understanding the text itself. If one has a decent copy of the

Sanskrit alaphbet he can begin to actually work out the words.

>Understanding any antique Sanskrit text without an inkling of

original root meanings has created an >immense amount of confusion.

It is so sad that liberation literature has created bondage as well.

I am at the >moment studying the original words of Jesus (Q gospel?)

from an Aramaic perspective... Most of you know >that I have direct

memories of Jesus' life and words, what a fantastic discovery and

celebration for truth it is >for me that my original memories and

intuition is corroborated now by contemporary language study...

I've not made any deep study of the Aramaic language (nor have I gone

much past the 1st level of Sanskrit) but I did read book by Rocco

Errico and was tickled to find out that "being in the belly of a

fish" was an Aramaic idiom equilavent to our "being in a pickle". Of

course, once I had a discussion with a bibilcal purist and offered the

viewpoint that perhaps Jonah was not in the belly of a whale for three

days but in a quandry over something....he listened politely, went

back to his minister who told him that such a viewpoint was

absolutely incorrect :-).

Love, Wim

Namaste,

Linda

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nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all

experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space

of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all

things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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, "LC" <jyotish@w...> wrote:

 

Hey Linda,

 

The sounds of the mantras and verse in Sanskrit predate the language

and in fact represent subtle sounds. The words were added to the

sounds. For example the Gayatri has to be pronounced perfectly for the

sound vibrations to be perfect. A Mantra attracts its corresponding

spriritual vibration. Especially with an elongated mmmmmmm and the

final tttttt!!

 

One word in Sanskrit can describe a sentence in other languages when

referring to spiritual things.

 

Samskriti or perfected, indicates that the language was perfected in

some way, whether this was in some way an improvement on the Vedic

Indo-European I don't know, except it is still a spoken language in

India today..........Hu..( Who).??

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, "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote:>

> Example: "Maya" originally did not mean illusion, originally it

meant measuring (or relating one size to another.) "Matter" and

"meter" MAY come from a common root. "Maat" in Dutch is "Measure" in

English. I figure that the very first scientist, who first used the

word "maya" already new about relativity...

> Interesting that in English the word "relative" can also have an

tinge of "illusion" in its meaning, "It's all so relative." with the

appropriate body language.

> Another example: "Karma" is linked to a root that means harmony,

meaning fitting things together so that it stays together. Carpenter,

cart or chariot might all be related to it. Karma originally meant

"physically fitting pieces together", work, labour... After the

invention of the wheel the chariot or cart...

> Understanding any antique Sanskrit text without an inkling of

original root meanings has created an immense amount of confusion.

 

Hey there,..

 

Yes Maya means to measure, as in 'the measure of a man', as Brahman

means great expansive. Karma involves the root Kr which denotes action

such as 'creation', Kriti. Maya is the Goddess Ma and her tool Ya as

in the sankrit yantra. Karma(also has kri and ma), never ever meant

only action/reaction, but it is difficult to explain in other

languages. As Siva/Sakti and Purusha/Prakriti are not essentially the

same description.......Hu 'Who'.

[Guest guest]

Oh, Linda

 

Indeed, words, words words.

Passing some air along a membrane that can vibrated...

It started with grunts and yelps.

 

Each individual word has at some point been designed by an individual...

Would it not be wonderful to commune with each of these individuals at

the moment of creation of each word and experience the reality of that

moment that made them go, "Aha!"

 

This is such a wonderful moment...

 

Love you, Wim

 

Did I hear you???

[Guest guest]

Ah, Purusha and Prakriti

 

So yummy...

 

Tonal and Nagual

 

Love it...

Wim

 

 

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Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:43 AM

Re: Sanskrit

 

> , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote:>

> > Example: "Maya" originally did not mean illusion, originally it

> meant measuring (or relating one size to another.) "Matter" and

> "meter" MAY come from a common root. "Maat" in Dutch is "Measure" in

> English. I figure that the very first scientist, who first used the

> word "maya" already new about relativity...

> > Interesting that in English the word "relative" can also have an

> tinge of "illusion" in its meaning, "It's all so relative." with the

> appropriate body language.

> > Another example: "Karma" is linked to a root that means harmony,

> meaning fitting things together so that it stays together. Carpenter,

> cart or chariot might all be related to it. Karma originally meant

> "physically fitting pieces together", work, labour... After the

> invention of the wheel the chariot or cart...

> > Understanding any antique Sanskrit text without an inkling of

> original root meanings has created an immense amount of confusion.

>

> Hey there,..

>

> Yes Maya means to measure, as in 'the measure of a man', as Brahman

> means great expansive. Karma involves the root Kr which denotes action

> such as 'creation', Kriti. Maya is the Goddess Ma and her tool Ya as

> in the sankrit yantra. Karma(also has kri and ma), never ever meant

> only action/reaction, but it is difficult to explain in other

> languages. As Siva/Sakti and Purusha/Prakriti are not essentially the

> same description.......Hu 'Who'.

>

>

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> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.

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>> The American Sanskrit Institute gives a good first level course... <<

Thanks Linda. Actually, I've been to their site and received info from

them in the mail. Am I not a typical...something...I was going to say

Westerner...I want the "six easy lessons" verson. If you still have

the name of the Sanskrit Dictionary and the publisher and can share

that with me, I would appreciate it very much. The only one I have

found is $150, so $60 sounds like a bargain. : ) Shanti ~ Linda

[Guest guest]

Hi Linda,

There is a free online course at http://maxpages.com/globalnetwork/Section_One

Here is some more info, see the webpage for a list of books and audio

courses. here's an example from it:

http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1415/sbooks.html

Easy Introduction to Sanskrit Language (ESL): by Ashok Aklujkar

aklujkar (AT) unixg (DOT) ubc.ca (604) 822-5185 (Office) Five Audio tapes and

book/notes (700+ pages). Suitable for classroom teaching in

Universities as well personal studies.($70.) This carefully prepared

material can be covered in three semester courses.

Also, once you know a book you want, addALL site will search all the

online bookstores, new and used, and give a list of prices to

compare. It is: http://addall.com/

Love,

Gloria

- LC

Monday, July 09, 2001 10:05 PM

Re: Re: Sanskrit

Hello Linda:

The American Sanskrit Institute gives a good first level course for

about $45.00 tapes and manual included.....you can find them on the

web. How much do you consider expensive I have a good one that cost

me $60.00 but the person who sold it to me loved profit so I suspect

the price was actually cheaper. The 2nd mantra that you mention is

the Maha Mrytunjaya which some consider the 2nd mantra after being

initiated with the Gayatri. The Maha Mrytunjaya works incredibly

well on physical ailments and is the #1 prescribed remedial in Vedic

Astrology. Be aware that getting a Sanskrit dictionary does not end

one's frustration....it can literally take hours to track down one

word :-).

Namaste,

Linda

Dear Wim ~ ah, again, let me thank you, and I will try to let this be

my last reply to your wonderful, chocked full of great stuff to

relate to, post. I have been very...well... frustrated is not exactly

the correct word, but perhaps a bit down in the mouth now and then at

my lack of knowledge of Sanskrit. Recently through reading some

wonderful books that include the original Sanskrit characters, along

with the transliteration to English pronunciation, and then

translations, I am beginning to pick up some words, but it is so

small compared to what I am reading and want to understand. I also

have seen, via the translations, that some words have more than one

or even two meanings, depending on the context, and I would love to

understand completely what I am reading in at least the

transliterated Sanskrit, if not the original characters. Is there any

kind of good primer for beginners you could recommend? A good, but not

too expensive Sanskrit (to English transliteration) dictionary? I have

been learning some wonderful mantras, and relearning others. The

Gayatri is one, which I love, and another starts tryumbakum yajamahe,

sagundahim pushtavardinam...it is about excellent cucumbers being

freed from their stems and immortality. I adore it. And by the way,

where do you teach your classes? Shanti ~ Linda

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the