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Hi Tim:

 

I just love when people make rationalizations for their failings.

It all a question of degree. If you kill an ant its not a egregious

as killing a cow or a person is it?

 

Ghandi wanted to eat only fruit and nuts, but he could not do it and

made compromises. I did too.

 

I am not making excuses for my failure to be a vegetarian and will

gladly suffer the consequenses.

How about you?

Love,

Alton

 

 

, "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> One day it may be "proven" also, that plants are "self-conscious"

too

> (since Identity is an aspect of reality, it makes sense).

>

> Then I suppose it will have to be fruit, unless fruit is seen to be

> self-conscious too (not impossible).

>

> In that case, perhaps starving to death would be preferable?

>

> But tell that to a lion who brings down a goat for dinner. If

> animals are self-conscious, then the lion has no excuse for eating

> meat either <loud laugh>.

>

> Joy & Happiness,

>

> Tim

>

> , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> > The "latest" scientific discovery is that animals "might" be self-

> > conscious after all... Something, when proved beyond doubt, would

> > also "prove" the case for veganism... And then, no one can use

the

> > excuse "I didn't know" again, when consuming animals, killed for

> > that purpose, or food, requiring such killing, like dairy...

> >

> > Jan

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On 7/10/01 at 1:08 AM Omkara wrote:

 

ºHi Jan,

º

ºOne day it may be "proven" also, that plants are "self-conscious" too

º(since Identity is an aspect of reality, it makes sense).

 

Who knows - but plants won't try to escape when perceiving to be

killed - apart from that, a few leaves can be taken - so the plant will

survive, produce new leaves, and eventually develop some chemicals

as to make eating less attractive (selective toxins). Those chemicals

are what makes eating those plants healthy :)

º

ºThen I suppose it will have to be fruit, unless fruit is seen to be

ºself-conscious too (not impossible).

 

The purpose of a fruit is to seduce to eating it and dispersing the seed(s).

That can be taken care of by adapting toilet manners or when not eating

like a monkey, by planting them <laugh>.

º

ºIn that case, perhaps starving to death would be preferable?

 

That depends on perspective - there is one where not having been born

is a valid one, as according to it, manifested life is unreal.

And offering the human body to a hungry predator could be

called an act of compassion.

º

ºBut tell that to a lion who brings down a goat for dinner. If

ºanimals are self-conscious, then the lion has no excuse for eating

ºmeat either <loud laugh>.

 

Humans are conditioned to perceive compassion for most creatures

(probably not for the like of cockroaches, flees and lice) whereas for instance

lions and zebras, among others don't know what compassion is. And they

don't know what "transformation of emotive energy" is either - but then,

how many humans do know what that means? But who cares :)

 

Joy and freedom,

Jan

º

ºJoy & Happiness,

º

ºTim

º

º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

º> The "latest" scientific discovery is that animals "might" be self-

º> conscious after all... Something, when proved beyond doubt, would

º> also "prove" the case for veganism... And then, no one can use the

º> excuse "I didn't know" again, when consuming animals, killed for

º> that purpose, or food, requiring such killing, like dairy...

º>

º> Jan

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

º

º

ºYour use of is subject to

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