Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Hi Jan: Alton> ºSo, two days ago I stopped using my current techniques and only just > ºsit there being awake and aware. > ºIt surely saves much effort and energy and makes sitting more > ºenjoyable. > Jan> And why do you have to sit for that? Because now I finally got it. I am just meditating on the SELF. All those other techniques just added to more and more internal dialogues which reinforced my identification with the mental states. That is what my former teacher, NIsargadatta advocated in his later teachings. The "I AM" without words. Why create more words when the problem seem to be, "words words, I'M sick of words". I always like your feedback. That was also J.I. Krishnamurti's advice, which I soundly rejected and now realized its the way to go for me right now. What do you recommend as practice? Love, Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 On 7/10/01 at 3:07 AM ALTON A ALTON wrote: ºHi Jan: º ºAlton> ºSo, two days ago I stopped using my current techniques and ºonly just º> ºsit there being awake and aware. º> ºIt surely saves much effort and energy and makes sitting more º> ºenjoyable. º> ºJan> And why do you have to sit for that? º ºBecause now I finally got it. I am just meditating on the SELF. ºAll those other techniques just added to more and more internal ºdialogues which reinforced my identification with the mental ºstates. That is what my former teacher, NIsargadatta advocated in ºhis later teachings. The "I AM" without words. ºWhy create more words when the problem seem to be, "words words, I'M ºsick of words". ºI always like your feedback. º ºThat was also J.I. Krishnamurti's advice, which I soundly rejected ºand now realized its the way to go for me right now. º ºWhat do you recommend as practice? I don't recommend anything as practice - because what is called "practice to be taught" is the outcome of a kind of reverse engineering - it won't work in most cases and when it works, it will be slow... Much slower than for the "discoverer" of that practice, for whom is wasn't a practice but came spontaneously... A 'point of no return' in one's life can be recognized by the readiness to give up (self-surrender) and this can reduce mind-chatter, to the extent that at times, mind shuts up... When intellectually inclined, it won't harm to realize that death of the mind-body will mean an involuntary detachment from whatever was loved and cherished... Most mind-chatter is about such issues... Unattached, means "free and joyful", hence detachment doesn't have to be painful. At best, a practice leads to unconditional surrender and then, the "inner guru" takes over and the term "practice" no longer applies - unless that is "reverse engineered" and taught as practice... Love, Jan º ºLove, ºAlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dear Alton and Jan, Alton asked: > What do you recommend as practice? Practice...? Be functional, pull your weight... Pulling up one's socks, Pulling up one's sleeves... Or the equivalents in hotter climes. :-) "Before Enlightenment:" Chopping as little wood as possible, carrying as little water as possible, just what one can get away with or even a little less. Or chopping too much wood, carrying too much water, to impress or to please. Or chopping wood, carrying water but... grudgingly. "After Enlightenment:" Chopping wood, carrying water... Jan: > ...Unattached, ... "free and joyful"... Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Thanks Wim: I always appreciate you high wisdom. Loving you loving me loveing you, Alton , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Alton and Jan, > > Alton asked: > > What do you recommend as practice? > > Practice...? > Be functional, pull your weight... > Pulling up one's socks, > Pulling up one's sleeves... > > Or the equivalents in hotter climes. :-) > > "Before Enlightenment:" > Chopping as little wood as possible, carrying as little water as > possible, just what one can get away with or even a little less. > Or chopping too much wood, carrying too much water, to impress or to > please. > Or chopping wood, carrying water but... grudgingly. > > "After Enlightenment:" > Chopping wood, carrying water... > > Jan: > > ...Unattached, ... "free and joyful"... > > Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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