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HASIDIC WISDOM

Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:45:54 -1000

Sayings from the Jewish Sages:

Baal Shem Tov et.al.

If your desire is to be loved-

then love others.

Everyone is wrapped in a holy light,

which shines brightest in our hour

of love

Love is the most reliable cure for

wounds of the soul.

Love is hidden in the recesses of

everyone's heart.

There is no one who has not had at least

an hour of love and yearning.

A person in love is like someone lost at sea,

suspended by a thin thread,

in the midst of a raging storm.

The sign of true love is forgetfulness.

One forgets oneself and thinks only of the beloved.

Until you have experienced "the void"

and become familiar with the terrible depths of the netherworld,

and until you have suffered the agonies of heartbreak,

you cannot know love itself.

The power of love is glorious-

it can propel you towards the

throne of Divine Glory.

Just as one is commanded to be in a

state of happiness, likewise must

one live in love.

Love may not be bread to eat,

but it is the wine of life.

Love is dependent on the mind.

One's hate swells only when one's mind

is troubled.

Not only is one who hates another soul

called wicked-but someone who

hates oneself is also called wicked.

If there are those who hate you here

below, you can be sure that there

are those who hate you On High

as well.

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11 Jul 2001 20:32:22 -0000

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Alton Alton

<lostnfoundation writes:

> Aloha,

> the attachment is a sound recording, so if your

> computer cant handle it dont click it.

> Love,

> Alton

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

This is a cute little rabbinical

contrivance indeed, atypically

clever coming from the Chassidic

tradition.

 

However, on reflection it doesn't

ring true at all -- there are

*far* too many exceptions to the

purported axiom -- and it all

hinges on taking a Genesis myth

very literally.

 

To put it another, just as

appallingly clever way, all

generalizations are ultimately

false -- including this one, but

most especially *that* one! :-)

 

 

 

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Dear Bruce:

 

You wrote:

To put it another, just as

appallingly clever way, all

generalizations are ultimately

false -- including this one, but

most especially *that* one! :-)

 

You convinced me:

I wont ever again quote the bible again. I just will eat it, Bible

bread that is.

 

Love,

Alton

 

p.s It a terrific program and it comes right on your email.

 

, Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote:

>

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Alton Alton

> <lostnfoundation> writes:

> > Aloha,

> > the attachment is a sound recording, so if your

> > computer cant handle it dont click it.

> > Love,

> > Alton

> > Note: forwarded message attached.

> >

> This is a cute little rabbinical

> contrivance indeed, atypically

> clever coming from the Chassidic

> tradition.

>

> However, on reflection it doesn't

> ring true at all -- there are

> *far* too many exceptions to the

> purported axiom -- and it all

> hinges on taking a Genesis myth

> very literally.

>

> To put it another, just as

> appallingly clever way, all

> generalizations are ultimately

> false -- including this one, but

> most especially *that* one! :-)

>

>

>

> http://come.to/realization

> http://www.atman.net/realization

> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

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Please don't let me discourage

you, it was excellent food for

(non-)thought and reminded me

of several clever rabbis from

my long-gone youth! :-)

 

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:18:18 -0000 "ALTON A ALTON"

<lostnfoundation writes:

>

> Dear Bruce:

>

> You wrote:

> To put it another, just as

> appallingly clever way, all

> generalizations are ultimately

> false -- including this one, but

> most especially *that* one! :-)

>

> You convinced me:

> I wont ever again quote the bible again. I just will eat it, Bible

> bread that is.

>

> Love,

> Alton

>

> p.s It a terrific program and it comes right on your email.

>

> , Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote:

> >

> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Alton Alton

> > <lostnfoundation> writes:

> > > Aloha,

> > > the attachment is a sound recording, so if your

> > > computer cant handle it dont click it.

> > > Love,

> > > Alton

> > > Note: forwarded message attached.

> > >

> > This is a cute little rabbinical

> > contrivance indeed, atypically

> > clever coming from the Chassidic

> > tradition.

> >

> > However, on reflection it doesn't

> > ring true at all -- there are

> > *far* too many exceptions to the

> > purported axiom -- and it all

> > hinges on taking a Genesis myth

> > very literally.

> >

> > To put it another, just as

> > appallingly clever way, all

> > generalizations are ultimately

> > false -- including this one, but

> > most especially *that* one! :-)

> >

 

 

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Dear Alton,

 

In the Exodus' Decalogue there is the fifth commandment that admonishes

the faithful to "Honor your father and your mother." There is no

commandment to honor or to be devoted to one's children. The rabbi

talking in this sound bite, must have been aware of that, as he points

to the parental devotion and honor to their children almost as a

transmitted given; almost a justification why it did not have to be a

part of the ten commandments.

Of course I don't know the context around this passage, it may

originally have been a part of a sermon and this passage may have stood

out so much that it turned into an aphorism.

 

Anyway, so whereas parental devotion to their children according to the

rabbi is an unquestionable transmitted human trait, the other way

around, children's devotion to their parents needed to be included in

the commandments.

 

This commandment (as many of the others) being a kind of divine

afterthought after a possible creative oversight. In a seriously

humorous way it is a solution to solve the riddle of the chicken or the

egg precedence... It could have been problematic but not really, just

stipulate devotion from children for their parents and threaten

punishment if they don't display it :-)

 

Please do not read into this that I have no appreciation for biblical

and religious contexts and background, I just try to understand the why

and wherefore of this aphorism, remembering that when I was seven years

old, I wondered aloud to a priest during catechism class, why parental

devotion to children was not part of the commandments. A week before I

had received an absolutely severe beating from my father, in which I

lost consciousness and after which I had recurring headaches as well as

upper and lower spinal problems. No worry, it got all sorted out between

me and my father. After much work the headaches and spinal problems are

long gone...

 

Love, Wim

 

I appreciated the recording, found the gravity and seriousness of the

topic a bit contrary to the light but serious Woody Allen like New York

(?) accent.

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Wim wrote:

The rabbi

> talking in this sound bite, must have been aware of that, as he

points

 

 

Dear Wim:

No way am I a Rabbi, but that NY accent never seems to leave even

after 25 years away..

 

I have had much aversion to the religion that I have been born into

and am working through it reading and posting from "Hasidic Wisdom"

After you raise kids you then have much appreciation for one's

parents.

Even though my father was hostile to me and I had many thoughts of

wishing him dead, I now appreciate that he was my father and all that

happened was attracted by previous actions. No way do I want to play

the role of victum.

 

I am going to send you a voice mail now.

 

Love,

Alton

 

 

p.s Does not "Honor thy father and mother" prescribe devotion to

one's parents.

 

 

, "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote:

> Dear Alton,

>

> In the Exodus' Decalogue there is the fifth commandment that

admonishes

> the faithful to "Honor your father and your mother." There is no

> commandment to honor or to be devoted to one's children. The rabbi

> talking in this sound bite, must have been aware of that, as he

points

> to the parental devotion and honor to their children almost as a

> transmitted given; almost a justification why it did not have to be

a

> part of the ten commandments.

> Of course I don't know the context around this passage, it may

> originally have been a part of a sermon and this passage may have

stood

> out so much that it turned into an aphorism.

>

> Anyway, so whereas parental devotion to their children according to

the

> rabbi is an unquestionable transmitted human trait, the other way

> around, children's devotion to their parents needed to be included

in

> the commandments.

>

> This commandment (as many of the others) being a kind of divine

> afterthought after a possible creative oversight. In a seriously

> humorous way it is a solution to solve the riddle of the chicken or

the

> egg precedence... It could have been problematic but not really,

just

> stipulate devotion from children for their parents and threaten

> punishment if they don't display it :-)

>

> Please do not read into this that I have no appreciation for

biblical

> and religious contexts and background, I just try to understand the

why

> and wherefore of this aphorism, remembering that when I was seven

years

> old, I wondered aloud to a priest during catechism class, why

parental

> devotion to children was not part of the commandments. A week

before I

> had received an absolutely severe beating from my father, in which I

> lost consciousness and after which I had recurring headaches as

well as

> upper and lower spinal problems. No worry, it got all sorted out

between

> me and my father. After much work the headaches and spinal problems

are

> long gone...

>

> Love, Wim

>

> I appreciated the recording, found the gravity and seriousness of

the

> topic a bit contrary to the light but serious Woody Allen like New

York

> (?) accent.