Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Dear Hu, You wrote: > This indicates that all this talk about Sex, K and the Goddess, > ecstatic states etc are all well within the illusory material world. Could you imagine that you were left behind and alone as a baby on a deserted lush tropical island without any other humans and that you survived, being nurtured by animals and living on fruit, nuts and such? Could you also imagine that you at one point were discovered by, say, a lone missionary with whom you eventually learned to communicate? Could you imagine that he would confront you with the idea of "the illusory material world"? How would he tell you and how would you understand? Would it be possible for you, strictly in your OWN words from your OWN EXPERIENCE, to explain or describe how the material world can be illusory, the challenge being not to use anyone else's concepts, conclusions or insights? Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Hu, > > You wrote: > > This indicates that all this talk about Sex, K and the Goddess, > > ecstatic states etc are all well within the illusory material world. > > Could you imagine that you were left behind and alone as a baby on a > deserted lush tropical island without any other humans and that you > survived, being nurtured by animals and living on fruit, nuts and such? > Could you also imagine that you at one point were discovered by, say, a > lone missionary with whom you eventually learned to communicate? > Could you imagine that he would confront you with the idea of "the > illusory material world"? > How would he tell you and how would you understand? > > Would it be possible for you, strictly in your OWN words from your OWN > EXPERIENCE, to explain or describe how the material world can be > illusory, the challenge being not to use anyone else's concepts, > conclusions or insights? > > Love, Wim Hey Wim. It would depend on my previous live's conditioning and samskaras. Even as a animal boy, if it was my time, watching ants could bring moksha. There is no need for language, I would be a jivanmukti living with animals and knowing I am them. Words wouldn't be necessary although there would be animal words and language........Hu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Hi Hu, It's amazing how much your writing style (and formatting of your posts) resembles Tony O'Clery's. You two wouldn't be good buddies by any chance, would you? :-) Namaste, Omkara > Hey Wim. > > It would depend on my previous live's conditioning and samskaras. > Even as a animal boy, if it was my time, watching ants could bring > moksha. There is no need for language, I would be a jivanmukti > living with animals and knowing I am them. Words wouldn't be > necessary although there would be animal words and > language........Hu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 No Dice Hu, :-) I wrote: > > Would it be possible for you, strictly in your OWN words from your > > OWN > > EXPERIENCE, to explain or describe how the material world can be > > illusory, the challenge being not to use anyone else's concepts, > > conclusions or insights? You responded: > It would depend on my previous live's conditioning and samskaras. > Even as a animal boy, if it was my time, watching ants could bring > moksha. There is no need for language, I would be a jivanmukti living > with animals and knowing I am them. Words wouldn't be necessary > although there would be animal words and language........Hu. Too many concepts in you answer:-) Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:27:31 -0000 "Omkara" <coresite writes: > > Hi Hu, > [unmasking snipped] Hi Hu, hi Hu, those stealthy things you do! The persona's changed, but that style remains, hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... Hi Hu, hi Hu, Have you built a you that's new? You're so well behaved, and Tony's face is saved, hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... Hi Hu, hi Hu, the moderators knew! There's ahimsa now, and they don't care how. hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... Hi Hu, hi Hu, can our Tony be like you? Or will he return, with no lesson learned? hi Hu, hi Hu! http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > Hi Hu, > > It's amazing how much your writing style (and formatting of your > posts) resembles Tony O'Clery's. You two wouldn't be good buddies by > any chance, would you? :-) Hey there, I know him well, dear old Tom Mc, and I believe one of Tony's daughters is on here as well, I'm not sure......Hu. A different personality altogether.heheheheheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 , Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:27:31 -0000 "Omkara" <coresite@h...> writes: > > > > Hi Hu, > > > [unmasking snipped] > > Hi Hu, hi Hu, > those stealthy things you do! > The persona's changed, > but that style remains, > hi Hu, > hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... > > Hi Hu, hi Hu, > Have you built a you that's new? > You're so well behaved, > and Tony's face is saved, > hi Hu, > hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... > > Hi Hu, hi Hu, > the moderators knew! > There's ahimsa now, > and they don't care how. > hi Hu, > hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... > > Hi Hu, hi Hu, > can our Tony be like you? > Or will he return, > with no lesson learned? > hi Hu, hi Hu! Hey there, Tony will be back when he returns from Mexico, I'll ask jb to do a map on that.....Hu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Shhhh! Omkara wrote: > > Hi Hu, > > It's amazing how much your writing style (and formatting of your > posts) resembles Tony O'Clery's. You two wouldn't be good buddies by > any chance, would you? :-) > > Namaste, > > Omkara > > > Hey Wim. > > > > It would depend on my previous live's conditioning and samskaras. > > Even as a animal boy, if it was my time, watching ants could bring > > moksha. There is no need for language, I would be a jivanmukti > > living with animals and knowing I am them. Words wouldn't be > > necessary although there would be animal words and > > language........Hu. > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 On 7/11/01 at 11:28 PM humanzee2001 wrote: º, Bruce Morgen <editor@j...> wrote: º> º> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:27:31 -0000 "Omkara" <coresite@h...> writes: º> > º> > Hi Hu, º> > º> [unmasking snipped] º> º> Hi Hu, hi Hu, º> those stealthy things you do! º> The persona's changed, º> but that style remains, º> hi Hu, º> hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... º> º> Hi Hu, hi Hu, º> Have you built a you that's new? º> You're so well behaved, º> and Tony's face is saved, º> hi Hu, º> hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... º> º> Hi Hu, hi Hu, º> the moderators knew! º> There's ahimsa now, º> and they don't care how. º> hi Hu, º> hi Hu, hi Hu, hi Hu... º> º> Hi Hu, hi Hu, º> can our Tony be like you? º> Or will he return, º> with no lesson learned? º> hi Hu, hi Hu! ºHey there, º ºTony will be back when he returns from Mexico, I'll ask jb to do a ºmap on that.....Hu Don't count on such a map: the freedom to ignore whatever, whenever, or to remark "request denied" with or without reason. Freedom, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Shhhh... OK Andrew.... Shhhh A toughy for Wim? :-))) Love Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 , andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > Shhhh! Hey there, Exactly!! When Tony comes back we can discuss the bleed through of personalities........hehehe.....Hu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 >Don't count on such a map: the freedom >to ignore whatever, whenever, or to remark >"request denied" with or without reason. > >Freedom, >Jan Refusal can sometimes be the apex of love. Refused entry is the only way to find "already here" ... Freely, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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