Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 Hi Jan, , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > ºThe problem 'here' is with killing, not with death. To some > humans º(such as hunters), killing seems to be a pleasurable > activity. Even ºchildren can be observed stepping on ants and > pulling the wings off ºbutterflies. > > Isn't that a matter of perspective? Anyone with a little knowledge > on diet and exercise would conclude most humans are killing > themselves... Anything discussed is already a matter of perspective, since no "absolutes" apply to the body/mind (except, "absolutely dying since birth" :-). >From another perspective, who cares how long the body lives, since the only "purpose" from the perspective of nature is reproduction -- so from that perspective, those who "choose" not to have a child are already breaking "nature's law" of "producing more of the same" ... Also applying to spaying/neutering cats and dogs, but since domestic animal overpopulation is 'caused' by humans, maybe 'justifiable'... > ºDespite the above, the list focuses on McDonald's and the 'evils' > of ºeating a hamburger... it makes little sense, considering. > > Oh - things are related. Ever heard of this: > "Conscience is like a saw - every time it is used, the teeth wear > off a little - until none are left to feel". And according to some, > that starts with insincerity... Sincerity is a matter of perspective too -- for example, if someone would say "there is no doer and no chooser" and then proceed to talk of "karma" as relating to meat-eaters... anything can be 'bent' to fit a desired perspective, in the relative sense. So, supposedly "well defined" issues are never what they appear... Joy & Happiness, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 On 7/11/01 at 12:07 PM Omkara wrote: ºHi Jan, º º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: º> ºThe problem 'here' is with killing, not with death. To some º> humans º(such as hunters), killing seems to be a pleasurable º> activity. Even ºchildren can be observed stepping on ants and º> pulling the wings off ºbutterflies. º> º> Isn't that a matter of perspective? Anyone with a little knowledge º> on diet and exercise would conclude most humans are killing º> themselves... º ºAnything discussed is already a matter of perspective, since ºno "absolutes" apply to the body/mind (except, "absolutely dying ºsince birth" :-). Sometimes dying before or at birth. º º>From another perspective, who cares how long the body lives, since ºthe only "purpose" from the perspective of nature is reproduction -- ºso from that perspective, those who "choose" not to have a child are ºalready breaking "nature's law" of "producing more of the same" ... What if nature doesn't have a purpose? Wiping out of creatures just happens... The dinosaurs didn't throw rocks in the sky but as a figure of speech, where "hit" by one nevertheless º ºAlso applying to spaying/neutering cats and dogs, but since domestic ºanimal overpopulation is 'caused' by humans, maybe 'justifiable'... Some say, humans are also responsible for the change in climate that even is becoming apparent in the Canaries... º º> ºDespite the above, the list focuses on McDonald's and the 'evils' º> of ºeating a hamburger... it makes little sense, considering. º> º> Oh - things are related. Ever heard of this: º> "Conscience is like a saw - every time it is used, the teeth wear º> off a little - until none are left to feel". And according to some, º> that starts with insincerity... º ºSincerity is a matter of perspective too -- for example, if someone ºwould say "there is no doer and no chooser" and then proceed to talk ºof "karma" as relating to meat-eaters... anything can be 'bent' to ºfit a desired perspective, in the relative sense. So, ºsupposedly "well defined" issues are never what they appear... Nature "producing" creatures, a doer? Thrown up enough rocks in the sky, one will hit the body that was throwing them. Simple gravity - a doer? Receding glaciers telltales of impending doom planetary tomb Just the forces of nature - doers? Freedom, Jan º ºJoy & Happiness, º ºTim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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