Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Hey there, Here we have the trouble of sankrit translation again. All is life all is alive. Ahimsa means 'wrong violence' not 'non violence'. It is violent just being alive on a hell plane, as opposed to a heaven plane. The violence is what is present in the actors mind. Self defence is not a violation of ahimsa, neither is preventing a bad act. It all has to do with intent and a measured response without attachment. If an ordinary person kills, it is with passion. A soldier and policeman do it as part of their dharma, it is still ahimsa, not himsa.....We have to do the best we can......Hu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Excellent Hu, Carry on with this... Love Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 - humanzee2001 Friday, July 13, 2001 1:04 PM Ahimsa doenst mean non violence!!!!!!!!!! Hey there,Here we have the trouble of sankrit translation again. All is life all is alive.Ahimsa means 'wrong violence' not 'non violence'. It is violent just being alive on a hell plane, as opposed to a heaven plane. The violence is what is present in the actors mind. Hi Hu, You make an extremely important point here... to me, its the same one Buddha made with life IS suffering, the first noble truth. Sometimes people talk as if no one (animals or people) would ever die if we all just did whatever...and I sincerely suggest asking just exactly what would need to change or be different to make X possible, the desired condition? No more wars sounds great, but what would people need to do to eleminate the real causes? I may try or want to live as kindly and nonviolently as I possibly can, but my whole way of life supports innumerable injustices, simply because I live in America. As David has mentioned, our hogging of resources is only one example. Many, many people suffer so that we can live well here. Am I willing or even able to extricate myself from all those benefits? If not, am I not somewhat guilty of being a part of an unjust system? There is no end to the chain of causation or reasons for why this is like it is... still one may say... life is just like this... it is inevitably full of suffering. If you think you can draw a line somewhere, and thereby give yourself clean hands, think again... I'm not suggesting nothing matters and to give no thought to what you do or eat, and world could surely use a few more saints, so be one if you want. Still, there is some drive for religiously based self-righteousness behind all this condemning of what others do... if you think it makes you better, consider if you really were in their shoes? And Jesus said basically the same thing as todays Ramana quote, remove the log first from your own eye, and then you may see clearly to help take the speck from your brother's eye. Gloria PS. btw, Asians on the whole consume way less meat than we do, simply because its expensive and few can afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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