Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 Dear Wim, , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Yep, "unnatural," and... ... "unphysical !" > > Give me a second... > > In Dutch "natuur-kunde" means physics. In that sense, in Dutch you > can say something like "suffering is not physical." But there's > more. According to the way I distinguish pain from suffering, I > have written about that plenty now, one could say that pain is > physical, therefore pain is natural. Yes... although sensitivity to pain naturally varies. Also, interpreting pain as a "bad thing" is incorrect... as a sensation, it's really no different than any other (perhaps more intense, since naturally intended as a 'physical warning sign'). > Suffering on the other hand is mental, therefore illusive, > therefore not natural. As you said it !!! Suffering requires a 'suffering entity' (in the case of "pain- suffering," a suffering entity that identifies with the body as well). > Suffering occurs, according to my distinction, through manipulation > by power mongers of pain (disapproval) or gain (approval) through > conditional threats and promises to "force control,Dwang" in > Dutch. i would be more inclined to say that the "suffering entity" is in fact identical to suffering. i hesitate to mention the "ego" or the "I," because in fact these words mean something different in the context of every discussion (and often are defined differently by each party, resulting in an inadvertent 'argument' where none really exists :-). > (One example, "I threaten you with pain, if I don't get my way.") A good example... <snip> > The natural human, according to my distinctions is by definition > divine. Human nature in reality is divine, plant nature is divine, > animal nature is divine, nature is divine... "Divine" is kind of a "loaded" term, although as good as any when discussing the essentially undiscussable :-). > Tim, you are a wonderful guy... > If we would live in the same town I would invite you over for > coffee, tea or hot chocolate... Thanks... i would be most delighted to have a cup of tea with you, if the opportunity ever arose :-). > As we do not live in the same town, we'll just do it digitally. > Thanks for being here. So a digital hug, some digital tea from > digital cups. I'll have some digital honey... Just a flat teaspoon of sugar 'here', but a hug would be more than welcome :-). Love, Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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