Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 ALTON & Friends, What would Ramana do? Ramana ran a tight ashram. Paul Brunton,the man who first "discovered and promoted" Ramana in his book "Journey to Secret India", was kicked out of the ashram for a rhetoric and style that would be considered positively elegant compared to some of the invective that's come to distinguish this site. Rules? The Buddha imposed hundreds, but that's not really the point is it? The point is, does a lot of spiritual monologuery suffice to cover up a passive/aggressive emotional style? What good is spirit if it doesn't manifest first in personal attitude? And in particular, when that attitude is so often didactic? A good question, isn't it? Yours in the Bonds, Eric --- wrote: > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, > places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all > experiences arise from and exist in and subside back > into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are > not different than the ocean, all things arising > from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. > Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within > into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > ------ > > There are 27 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Quick close ranks and Open the 'Heart' > Lobster > <lobster > 2. Re: Dear Harsha > "Mirror" > <mirror.reflections > 3. Re: Dear Harsha > "Viorica Weissman" > <viorica > 4. RE: Heart of the Lotus > "Harsha" <harsha-hkl > 5. Quote for Judy > "Mirror" > <mirror.reflections > 6. Re: Dear Harsha > umbada > 7. Dear List > "Harsha" <harsha-hkl > 8. Re: zilch, finite, infinite, noneness, > oneness, someness > heart_whisper_ > 9. PROOF!!! > "Mark W. Otter" > <mark.otter > 10. Re: Dear Harsha > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 11. Re: "I Am That and You're a Wannabe" -- Ch. > Googleplex > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 12. Re: Dear Harsha > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 13. Re: Wim-Re: Dear Harsha > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 14. Re: Dear Harsha / Alton > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 15. appearance of the universe - true or untrue > ? > Viorica Weissman > <viorica > 16. The dance of design > JustLynette > 17. untitled > JustLynette > 18. Dance of Fire > JustLynette > 19. Beans (was Re:Rubber) > "ALTON A ALTON" > <lostnfoundation > 20. Autumn > "jb" <janb > 21. Re: Dear Harsha / Mira > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 22. Re: Dear Harsha / Alton > "Omkara" <coresite > 23. Re: Dear Harsha > Daniel Berkow <berkowd > 24. Re: Quick close ranks and Open the 'Heart' > "ALTON A ALTON" > <lostnfoundation > 25. Re: "I Am That and You're a Wannabe" -- Ch. > Googleplex > "Omkara" <coresite > 26. Re: Dear Harsha > "Omkara" <coresite > 27. Poll on Harsha's new rules > "ALTON A ALTON" > <lostnfoundation > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:34:44 +0100 > Lobster <lobster > Quick close ranks and Open the 'Heart' > > > >Dear Brothers and Sisters > > > > is a spiritual fellowship. > The list description > > attempts to > > Mien Liebe Fuhrer, > Judi and Mystress Angelique Serpent and probably > others whom you have decided are not to your > personal vision > ARE PART OF FELLOWSHIP. > > 'When the scorpion stings you > that is it's form of courtship' > > Both of them have valuable insights. > > > >convey the spirit of the Sangha. However, no > matter how often this is > >repeated, there are still a few people who fail to > exercise basic civility > > The Truth is Harsh deer or Dear Harsha, is that > civility has many levels > and the level of the spiritual guest is to provide > an open heart and open > sangha, to learn from the behaviour of the scorpions > as well as the more favourable and comprehensible > patterns > - all sides of creation. > There is a universal saying, 'no growth without > struggle'. > You see my dear friend, some people are crude in > their approach > (for example your one sided spirituality is > particularly crude > as is my constant contrariness) > We as members of deeper understanding and wisdom (as > if) > must bear crudity with compassion and understanding, > in order that others may see that exclusion and > control is > the way of hypocrites and the way of unconditional > love > is another way. Of course few of us are able to live > up to > such an ideal . . . > (I can not :-) > > > >in their list conduct. They exploit the privilege > of their presence here by > >hostile behavior towards others and by lashing out > with their anger. While > >we are sympathetic to the suffering that is present > in the human condition, > >there is an expectation of a certain degree of > maturity in posting to this > >list. This list is not appropriate for everyone. We > are just one small > >community in cyberspace among millions of others. > So there is outlet > >available for everyone's emotions somewhere or > another. Here, We wish to > >commune and converse with each other in relative > peace. > > Peace is relative. > Peace is not something you can take > something you can impose > or something that can be instilled in others > Peace is a state of mind. > Peace CAN reside in anger > and passive anger reside in outward peace. > > > > From this point on, all new members posts > will be moderated for a > > while. > >Also, all new members will be asked for a brief > introduction when they join. > > > > Further, those members who engage in > extreme and reckless > > behavior towards > >others are subject to moderation or immediate > banning without notice. > > > >Love to all > >Harsha > > I consider your behaviour extreme and reckless. > Please moderate yourself :-) > > > Lobster banner notice > === message truncated === Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 , eric blackstead <eblack101> wrote: > Yours in the Bonds, > Eric If "This" is bondage, who needs freedom? It must be "for the birds" :-). Satchidananda, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Dear Eric: Dont tell me that you too are buying into that psychiatric jargon that has put some many on meds and into institutions. Lets change it to "what would Ramana do in this day and age in the virtual world of interconnectness, where expletives are regularly used in everyday life by almost everyone in the world" For short WWRDITDAAITVWOELBAEITW. Anyway who cares what Ramana would do now that those genius' here have pointed out the futility of that useage. Love, Alton , eric blackstead <eblack101> wrote: > ALTON & Friends, > > What would Ramana do? Ramana ran a tight ashram. Paul > Brunton,the man who first "discovered and promoted" > Ramana in his book "Journey to Secret India", was > kicked out of the ashram for a rhetoric and style that > would be considered positively elegant compared to > some of the invective that's come to distinguish this > site. > > Rules? The Buddha imposed hundreds, but that's not > really the point is it? The point is, does a lot of > spiritual monologuery suffice to cover up a > passive/aggressive emotional style? What good is > spirit if it doesn't manifest first in personal > attitude? And in particular, when that attitude is so > often didactic? > > A good question, isn't it? > > Yours in the Bonds, > Eric > > --- wrote: > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, > > places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all > > experiences arise from and exist in and subside back > > into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are > > not different than the ocean, all things arising > > from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > > Awareness does not come and go but is always > > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. > > Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > > Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within > > into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > > > -- ---- > > > > There are 27 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Quick close ranks and Open the 'Heart' > > Lobster > > <lobster@b...> > > 2. Re: Dear Harsha > > "Mirror" > > <mirror.reflections@h...> > > 3. Re: Dear Harsha > > "Viorica Weissman" > > <viorica@z...> > > 4. RE: Heart of the Lotus > > "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> > > 5. Quote for Judy > > "Mirror" > > <mirror.reflections@h...> > > 6. Re: Dear Harsha > > umbada@n... > > 7. Dear List > > "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> > > 8. Re: zilch, finite, infinite, noneness, > > oneness, someness > > heart_whisper_@h... > > 9. PROOF!!! > > "Mark W. Otter" > > <mark.otter@s...> > > 10. Re: Dear Harsha > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 11. Re: "I Am That and You're a Wannabe" -- Ch. > > Googleplex > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 12. Re: Dear Harsha > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 13. Re: Wim-Re: Dear Harsha > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 14. Re: Dear Harsha / Alton > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 15. appearance of the universe - true or untrue > > ? > > Viorica Weissman > > <viorica@z...> > > 16. The dance of design > > JustLynette@a... > > 17. untitled > > JustLynette@a... > > 18. Dance of Fire > > JustLynette@a... > > 19. Beans (was Re:Rubber) > > "ALTON A ALTON" > > <lostnfoundation> > > 20. Autumn > > "jb" <janb@a...> > > 21. Re: Dear Harsha / Mira > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 22. Re: Dear Harsha / Alton > > "Omkara" <coresite@h...> > > 23. Re: Dear Harsha > > Daniel Berkow <berkowd@u...> > > 24. Re: Quick close ranks and Open the 'Heart' > > "ALTON A ALTON" > > <lostnfoundation> > > 25. Re: "I Am That and You're a Wannabe" -- Ch. > > Googleplex > > "Omkara" <coresite@h...> > > 26. Re: Dear Harsha > > "Omkara" <coresite@h...> > > 27. Poll on Harsha's new rules > > "ALTON A ALTON" > > <lostnfoundation> > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > > ____________________ __ > > > > Message: 1 > > Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:34:44 +0100 > > Lobster <lobster@b...> > > Quick close ranks and Open the 'Heart' > > > > > > >Dear Brothers and Sisters > > > > > > is a spiritual fellowship. > > The list description > > > attempts to > > > > Mien Liebe Fuhrer, > > Judi and Mystress Angelique Serpent and probably > > others whom you have decided are not to your > > personal vision > > ARE PART OF FELLOWSHIP. > > > > 'When the scorpion stings you > > that is it's form of courtship' > > > > Both of them have valuable insights. > > > > > > >convey the spirit of the Sangha. However, no > > matter how often this is > > >repeated, there are still a few people who fail to > > exercise basic civility > > > > The Truth is Harsh deer or Dear Harsha, is that > > civility has many levels > > and the level of the spiritual guest is to provide > > an open heart and open > > sangha, to learn from the behaviour of the scorpions > > as well as the more favourable and comprehensible > > patterns > > - all sides of creation. > > There is a universal saying, 'no growth without > > struggle'. > > You see my dear friend, some people are crude in > > their approach > > (for example your one sided spirituality is > > particularly crude > > as is my constant contrariness) > > We as members of deeper understanding and wisdom (as > > if) > > must bear crudity with compassion and understanding, > > in order that others may see that exclusion and > > control is > > the way of hypocrites and the way of unconditional > > love > > is another way. Of course few of us are able to live > > up to > > such an ideal . . . > > (I can not :-) > > > > > > >in their list conduct. They exploit the privilege > > of their presence here by > > >hostile behavior towards others and by lashing out > > with their anger. While > > >we are sympathetic to the suffering that is present > > in the human condition, > > >there is an expectation of a certain degree of > > maturity in posting to this > > >list. This list is not appropriate for everyone. We > > are just one small > > >community in cyberspace among millions of others. > > So there is outlet > > >available for everyone's emotions somewhere or > > another. Here, We wish to > > >commune and converse with each other in relative > > peace. > > > > Peace is relative. > > Peace is not something you can take > > something you can impose > > or something that can be instilled in others > > Peace is a state of mind. > > Peace CAN reside in anger > > and passive anger reside in outward peace. > > > > > > > From this point on, all new members posts > > will be moderated for a > > > while. > > >Also, all new members will be asked for a brief > > introduction when they join. > > > > > > Further, those members who engage in > > extreme and reckless > > > behavior towards > > >others are subject to moderation or immediate > > banning without notice. > > > > > >Love to all > > >Harsha > > > > I consider your behaviour extreme and reckless. > > Please moderate yourself :-) > > > > > > Lobster banner notice > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail > http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 A woman stood up during one of his talks and said. "How can you call yourself a spiritual master when 14 of your former nuns say you violatied them" May not be an exact quote. , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > , eric blackstead <eblack101> wrote: > > > Yours in the Bonds, > > Eric > > If "This" is bondage, who needs freedom? It must be "for the > birds" :-). > > Satchidananda, > > Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Dear Viorica: I presume that the , "Viorica Weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > who are you talking about ? > it is not clear at all. > The name Satchidananda,which is listed below is who I am referring to, If that is the same Satchidananda the is the fouder of Intergral Yoga. Love, Alton > v. > , "ALTON A ALTON" <lostnfoundation> > wrote: > > A woman stood up during one of his talks and said. "How can you > call > > yourself a spiritual master when 14 of your former nuns say you > > violatied them" May not be an exact quote. > > > > > > > > , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > > > , eric blackstead <eblack101> > wrote: > > > > > > > Yours in the Bonds, > > > > Eric > > > > > > If "This" is bondage, who needs freedom? It must be "for the > > > birds" :-). > > > > > > Satchidananda, > > > > > > Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 My Dearest Viorica: What a loss it would be for me if you decide to terminate our friendship unilaterally. I will state that you will always have my unconditonal love and friendship as long as I am a prisoner in the psychosomatic apparatus, as your other teacher likes to characterize it. However, I will continue to challange Harsha and other realized beings that are unable or unwilling to answer questions referring to their announcing of their realization. To uncover possible false teachers, (and at this time I am not saying that Harsha is a false teacher) is my self assumed duty at this time of my current incarnation. Gosh, do you really think that saying an expletive is less respectful to Ramana then hitting him on the leg and them hitting him on the other leg at his request? Are these false stories that are being presented on the boards? I am sure that Ramana would attempt to find out why this woman is in so much pain that she even sullies herself in public like she did. It take a real suffering soul to do that and hurt her self image like she did. As far as you other Ramana board, I have decided not to post and just read Ramana's words, which I really love and appreciate. A person their is disturbed by anything else but Ramana and since that kind of a board is not conducive to confrontation, I will refrain except to ask a question, when there is a misunderstanding on my part. Loving you but I am sure sure you will be loving me que sera sera Alton , "Viorica Weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > Dear Alton , > > I do not want to speculate about what would Ramana do. > > But I could say what a Ramana devotee would do - > would never allow another fellow peer to speak with F and S - > as you said in short - to one's guru. > A person who would have attacked him like this wouldn't have had > the slightest chance to cross the wall of devotees. > So I can only suppose that Ramana wouldn't have had > the chance either to speak with love and kindness > to someone attacking him like this. > > In the vary rare circumstances when it happened , > he kept silence. > > As about other kind of dirty accusations - > what kind of minds speculate about dirty stuff ? > > what a pity to waste time and energy on subjects > like S and F and other of the same family! > > what can I say , Alton ? > > Ramana would have adviced to keep the good company, > what can we have from F and S ? > where is the good company that one needs on a spiritual > path here ? > > in F and S ? > ??! > > v. > > P.S.1 - thank you for the bright idea to invent > the short ways F and S , otherwise I couldn't even > consider to ever type in such words on a list! > > P.S.2 - I would like to remain friend with you , > but the way you refer to Harsha and any kind of > disrespectul attitude towards Ramana - > would be serious obstacles ; > > please don't break down the possibility > of a good relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Dear Alton, What would Ramana do ? What would Jesus do? Those are such silly questions, such beings never think twice, they don't even think once. Before you could even wonder about what they would do, you'd already have been given a surprise... and it is looking you in the face. These kind of beings are direct and immediate... one cannot negotiate with them, no need to whine, to manipulate, it won't get you anywhere quicker using round about ways. Don't you notice that you are trying to negotiate a deal, aiming not to have to pay the price that you suspect you will be charged . Notice how you are chiseling and whittling away, stalling, sidestepping, maneuvering, whilst admiring yourself that you are doing this so very cleverly. You know what? You may end up not realizing what is rightfully already yours anytime soon, as you are standing yourself in the way. It's all grace, gratis, gratuit, for nothing, for the taking... realize it now. This is not about buying an oriental carpet. This is not about compromising the carpet dealer or checking his integrity, while you hope to come out ahead. This is not about a carpet, heck there is none, this not about the dealer, heck there is none. Take what you already have and fly with it. Be... and be done with it. Hey man, Alton, get off it... There is no price to pay, nothing to lose, nothing to gain. To live loving and truthfully has no conditional prerequisites. The conditions of "happilyknowing" that you "are" (sat chit ananda) are unquestionably already present. Those 'givens' are not conditional upon you 'doing such and such' and others 'doing so an so', not depending on approval or disapproval. You are not working your mom and dad ! Gosh how long ago is that? Do you know that you are still doing that? See if you notice! It does not matter if you do or don't, who cares but you, no approval no disapproval, you are not being caught in order to be released. You only have to see, get some insight, see the futility of strategies, the waiting game really, and understand the dynamics... Then drop it laughingly as though it is nothing... as it IS REALLY NOTHING... Whatever you object at this point see it as useless, unless it is happy recognition... So get with it, have it done and over with... What would so and so do? What do you do? Stop strategizing, take a brake, lurk for a while, or realise your being But stop the cycle. As you have been on this list you went a few times through a sequence of personality and role changes... By now you are very predictable... Surprise yourself... You will stop the cycle when you don't react your usual way at this juncture... I'll help you, here goes... When Harsha says that he realized the divine then he did. I say the same as I realize the same. Is that so special? The realization happens in jiffy... when you aren't looking. When your guards are down you realize your being, it is that simple... The more clever you try to be, the longer it takes for realization to be realized... I remember certain instances when I realized the divine in a more wondrous way: When I was a couple of weeks old. When I was 7, 13, 19, and 31. From 53 on "wonder" became the 'steady state'. In between those years I realized-while-I-also afforded myself to figure out what was so difficult about realization for others... understanding the dynamics of suffering and illusion. So now Alton, surprise yourself, forget about me, just fall in place, synchronize, coincide with yourself... Take off those refracting lenses that give you multiple images of yourself and a fluctuating world in a viewing field characterized by astigmatism... Halt your usual reaction... Focus from your core and be... But take your time, that is allowed... Impeccable intent you have... Carry it through... Forthright and henceforth... Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 As sat chid ananda is samadhi thru the crown chakra am curious concerning the name.. not what it is. :-) --- ALTON A ALTON <lostnfoundation wrote: > > Dear Viorica: > I presume that the > , "Viorica Weissman" > <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > > who are you talking about ? > > it is not clear at all. > > > The name Satchidananda,which is listed below is who > I am referring to, > If that is the same Satchidananda the is the fouder > of Intergral Yoga. > Love, > Alton > > > v. > > , "ALTON A ALTON" > <lostnfoundation> > > wrote: > > > A woman stood up during one of his talks and > said. "How can you > > call > > > yourself a spiritual master when 14 of your > former nuns say you > > > violatied them" May not be an exact quote. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Omkara" > <coresite@h...> wrote: > > > > , eric blackstead > <eblack101> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yours in the Bonds, > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > If "This" is bondage, who needs freedom? It > must be "for the > > > > birds" :-). > > > > > > > > Satchidananda, > > > > > > > > Omkara > > ===== Cognosce Te Ipsum Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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