Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 - "saffron warrior" <saffronwarrior <saffronwarrior Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:28 PM SEIZE OF MATHURA AND VRINDAVAN > SEIZE OF MATHURA AND VRINDAVAN > > Dear devotees and friends, > > This is a very important information and alarming > situation that every devotee and like minded person > has to understand and suitably act upon, if one cares > for the Vedic culture and loves Krishna as his very > own life. > > In the past, Mathura and Vrindavan were under seize > from fundamentalist Muslims for about 1000 years, and > they vandalised and destroyed many valuable Vedic > shrines and places of learning. Our own beloved > Krishna temple is still buried under the so called > Ganvapi Mosque which is but a crude victory monument > of the invading Muslims. Imagine being in Mathura, and > you see this Muslim victory monument right over the > very birthplace of Krishna? What a shameful situation, > this resembles the many Vedic stories were the demonic > forces tormented the true believers and devotees of > Vedic dharma. > > Presently, Mathura and Vrindavan are under the second > seize from radical Christians groups, they have > authored a secret plan to somehow or the other, to > Christianise and vandalise India. Vrindanvan and > Mathura are their first targets, as they are jealous > about the glories of Krishna being heard in all the > parts of the world. Imagine going to Vrindavan and > finding a church on kesi ghat and all the people > Christian, do we have a chance to practice our own > beliefs there? Do we deserve this shameful situation > again? > > What do these radical Christian groups preach? > 1. They preach hate against Krishna, telling lies like > Krishna is not god and that he is immoral, and they > also claim that he never existed and is a pure myth. > 2. They preach that Vedic people are lost in darkness > and they need the light of Jesus? > 3. They induce poor people with free education, > medicines, money and power to convert. > 4. They falsify the truths of the Vedic wisdom as pure > nonsense and hence not worth. > 5. They encourage the neo-converts to burn > Bhagwathgita, so as to prove their loyalty. > 6. They specially target children & women, poor and > destitute people, as easy victims. > 7. They preach hate against deity worship and call it > satanic and evil. > 8. They are trying to split India (Bharat, the last > bastion of Vedic culture), to weaken us. > > What are the dangerous if they succeed. > 1. The very place where Krishna conducted his earthly > pastimes will be lost forever. > 2. The golden period that everyone is waiting for, > will not happen due to lack of people. > > Do we have a way out, to salvage the present > situation? > Yes! We do have many ways out, if only we can act upon > it! > 1. Understand the full impact of the radical Christian > group's devious plans and activities. > 2. Educate all the lovers of Vedic culture in the > world, about the dangers posed by them. > 3. Join hands and unite minds with all devotees and > friends to counter their evil designs. > 4. Preach strongly about the benefits of United Vedic > culture at all times and places. > > Interested people who are willing to work for the > protection of Vedic culture around the world and > especially in the last remaining bastion (India), > contact me at: saffronwarrior. > > VEDIC HINDU DHARM KI JAI > > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail > http://personal.mail./ > other informations available at : http://www.cyber-ville.net/English1.html / to our mailing lists at : http://www.cyber-ville.net/feedback.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Dear List Owner, While I do abide by the rule laid down over here in good intention that this list is to be used by aspirants on the spiritual path, I have preferred a reply to the mail with the only intention to point out to the sender that reason should be used in place of belief. So with your permission, may I proceed forward. > SEIZE OF MATHURA AND VRINDAVAN > > Dear devotees and friends, > > This is a very important information and alarming > situation that every devotee and like minded person > has to understand and suitably act upon, if one cares > for the Vedic culture and loves Krishna as his very > own life. === One should care for Krishna, right. The Krishna one should care for is the messenger who sang the divine song Bhagwad Gita and one should proceed forward to take the subject of the Bhagwad Gita. Once the subject is taken, then the object (Krishna) may be dropped. After that it does not matter whether Krishna existed or not. It is just like taking the message of the Panchatantra stories irrespective of whether the animals in it talked or could have talked or whether the conversation actually took place between those animals. > In the past, Mathura and Vrindavan were under seize > from fundamentalist Muslims for about 1000 years, and > they vandalised and destroyed many valuable Vedic > shrines and places of learning. Our own beloved > Krishna temple is still buried under the so called > Ganvapi Mosque which is but a crude victory monument > of the invading Muslims. Imagine being in Mathura, and > you see this Muslim victory monument right over the > very birthplace of Krishna? What a shameful situation, > this resembles the many Vedic stories were the demonic > forces tormented the true believers and devotees of > Vedic dharma. === A pitiful situation indeed. The monument should remind us that we should not repeat such histories rather than becoming similar victims of hatred and fanaticism which has led to the construction of such monuments. > > Presently, Mathura and Vrindavan are under the second > seize from radical Christians groups, they have > authored a secret plan to somehow or the other, to > Christianise and vandalise India. Vrindanvan and > Mathura are their first targets, as they are jealous > about the glories of Krishna being heard in all the > parts of the world. Imagine going to Vrindavan and > finding a church on kesi ghat and all the people > Christian, do we have a chance to practice our own > beliefs there? Do we deserve this shameful situation > again? === Another shameful situation indeed. Instead of the previous group of fanatics, another group of fanatics. We have learn from that too. About carrying our own set of beliefs, we have to understand that in detail. What we follow should not be a set of beliefs which can always be conflict to another set of beliefs. Let us drop beliefs and see the truth. Truth can exist without beliefs too. > > What do these radical Christian groups preach? > 1. They preach hate against Krishna, telling lies like > Krishna is not god and that he is immoral, and they > also claim that he never existed and is a pure myth. === As mentioned earlier, a seeker should take the message of the Gita and not carry the messenger. One can equally benefit from the Quran and the Bible irrespective of the fact whether Allah or Jesus actually existed. > 2. They preach that Vedic people are lost in darkness > and they need the light of Jesus? === Ignorance on their part. > 3. They induce poor people with free education, > medicines, money and power to convert. === Being a poor country, those below the poverty line have less options when offered free education, medicines etc. with a condition that they have to convert. Such material acts have less to do with seeking truth. > 4. They falsify the truths of the Vedic wisdom as pure > nonsense and hence not worth. === That is an inability on their side to see whatever truth is there in the scriptures. > 5. They encourage the neo-converts to burn > Bhagwathgita, so as to prove their loyalty. === When the Pope came to India, he had assured that the preachers will respect other religions too. This act of burning Gita is ignorance on their part. > 6. They specially target children & women, poor and > destitute people, as easy victims. > 7. They preach hate against deity worship and call it > satanic and evil. === As per the old testament, the idol worship is prohibited. So there lies their ignorance that what the God of israel told applies to the whole world. > 8. They are trying to split India (Bharat, the last > bastion of Vedic culture), to weaken us. === Not actually necessary. Bharath has got enough elements in it like caste discrimination, corruption, autocracy in the name of democracy etc. to weaken itself. > > What are the dangerous if they succeed. > 1. The very place where Krishna conducted his earthly > pastimes will be lost forever. === Here one should understand the word Chiranjeevi. An interpretation of Chiranjeevi is if one has lived a cause and that cause continues after him, he happens to be a Chiranjeevi, not that his physical body wont have death. If taken that the cause will continue, then Gandhiji is a Chiranjeevi. Over here, Ramana is also a Chiranjeevi. Similarly Krishna's message will last as a message even if it is devoid of its identity of Krishna because ultimately everything leads to truth. So Krishna is also a Chiranjeevi. We need not worry about his physical existence and physical remains. Let us use what we got and proceed towards truth. > 2. The golden period that everyone is waiting for, > will not happen due to lack of people. === If the minds of the people are purified either by the Bible, Gita or Quran or just by reasoning as it happened to Ramana, then the golden period has began. A change in culture and living conditions is only material. The change in mind is the revolution that leads to a transformation. > > Do we have a way out, to salvage the present > situation? > Yes! We do have many ways out, if only we can act upon > it! > 1. Understand the full impact of the radical Christian > group's devious plans and activities. > 2. Educate all the lovers of Vedic culture in the > world, about the dangers posed by them. > 3. Join hands and unite minds with all devotees and > friends to counter their evil designs. > 4. Preach strongly about the benefits of United Vedic > culture at all times and places. === Let us not counter fanatacism by counter-fanaticism. > > Interested people who are willing to work for the > protection of Vedic culture around the world and > especially in the last remaining bastion (India), > contact me at: saffronwarrior. > > VEDIC HINDU DHARM KI JAI > TRUTH TRIUMPHS. Love and regards, -Prakash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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