'Realization' defined ..

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Yogini wrote: ** It is clear to me that the concept of Realization is not

completely understood here.

 

 

 

Thank you Yogini, for your clear perception of what is not completely

understood here (where?). Being at a total loss regarding this concept of

Realization, having heard and read at least over 250 different descriptions

of this concept, I would like to know whether or not understanding of this

particular concept is a prerequisite for actual Realization? Thanks for your

help,

Mira

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:55:47 +0200 "Mirror"

<mirror.reflections writes:

> Yogini wrote: ** It is clear to me that the concept of Realization

> is not

> completely understood here.

>

>

>

> Thank you Yogini, for your clear perception of what is not

> completely

> understood here (where?). Being at a total loss regarding this

> concept of

> Realization, having heard and read at least over 250 different

> descriptions

> of this concept, I would like to know whether or not understanding

> of this

> particular concept is a prerequisite for actual Realization? Thanks

> for your help,

 

Perhaps our new arrival is

actually referring to herself

or to the immediate environs

of Georgia, USA? :-)

 

When I was a young musician, I

had a number of collaborations

with my peers. During one

session, I was holding forth

on my "concept of music" as it

applied to the arrangement we

were working on when the lead

guitarist, exasperated, yelled

"F*ck your d*mned 'concept,'

for God's sake let's *play*

our instruments!"

 

A "concept" is simply a mental

construct, and throughly

understanding a concept, while

an accomplishment of sorts, is

not much related to the reality

the concept attempts to

describe. As a matter of fact,

such an understanding carries

with it the peril of standing

in for what it refers to, a

classic case of eating the menu

instead of the meal!

 

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mira!

Yogini wrote: ** It is

clear to me that the concept of Realization is not

completely understood here.

Mira: Thank you Yogini, for your clear perception of what is not

completely

understood here (where?).

D: The concept of "here", is clearly not

clearly understood.

So how about the concept of "understood"?

Is what is understood clearly here,

or is it only clearly there?

Being at a total loss regarding

this concept of

Realization, having heard and read at least over 250 different

descriptions

of this concept, I would like to know whether or not understanding of

this

particular concept is a prerequisite for actual Realization?

It has nothing to do with understanding

or not understanding a concept.

At least that much is clear.

One hopes.

Now, hopefully the concept of hope

is not at all clear.

The less clear it is, the more clear

*it* is.

Thanks for your

help,

Mira

Thanks for being Sirius,

Dan