Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Hi Alton, I am forwarding a message from Advaitin that one of the moderators there wrote about Vijay's website, the gentleman you mentioned. Things are not always what they seem. You are wasting your time and energy on superficial things, as is your natural right. If you can stay with the pure teaching of Sri Ramana and try to understand with seriousness and dedication, it will be helpful. Love Harsha Madhava K. Turumella [madhava] Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:13 PM advaitin AW: Re: Re: My new member Introduction Dear Mr. Vijay, Pardon me for asking this but your homepage consists some of your predictions, which perhaps you made in the beginning years after your realization. Especially: http://www.godrealized.com/essays/shapeoft.html In which you have written the following: Anyway, all that I wanted to tell you is that please try to review the content on your webpage. Now that we are in 2001, the world war III which you are predicted didn't take place, it is better that you change it. I am giving this advise because you are inviting other people to read your homepage. It has got highly misleading content. This is my humble observation. Hari Om. Regards, Madhava ==================== FROM YOUR HOME PAGE =================== Iraq is presently getting manufactured atomic bombs in Pakistan under guidance from Iran and China. 1998 - 1999 ... World War III erupts - a full scale nuclear attack by Muslim countries on USA & its Allies with Iraq as their leader (Reasons .... Pounding of Iraq day and night by USA and its Allies inspite of an indirect 'No' by UN Secretary General and its councils). Although USA and its Allies intervened due to barbarian and forcible occupation of Kuwait by Iraq which though illegal, was not as big an offense resulting in day to day bombardment of Iraq by USA and its Allies without taking into consideration civilian damage and sufferings caused to normal citizens. 8 Atomic bombs will be exploded in 8 cities of USA in one day to start with. The big brother USA still unable to recover from the emotional shock decides to hit back resulting in a full scale war between USA supported by its Allies and the Muslim World. China, the biggest country population wise with a communist regime plays a wise game indirectly, by supplying ammunition to the Muslim countries. It also gets a chance to hit back at India via Pakistan. (Result ... a massive chaos in the homeland as the democratic force which remained suppressed for many years now surface and who loo towards India ... a true Democratic setup, with respect). Israel, the biggest foe of the Muslim world is reduced to a heap of dust within 6 days as the anger against USA and its Allies is initially directed towards Israel (Without support from the outside world this becomes a possibiility). India, the biggest democratic setup of the world and a country par excellence for its doctrines of "Ahimsa" given by "Lord Mahavira" now begins to rise from slumber. People feel in themselves the mighty potential which lay hidden in them for centuries. "Satyug" ended in India around AD 1000. Thereafter, Muslim and then English ruled India till 1947. ============================ END ============================= -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Vijay Kumar [vijaykum] Gesendet: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:01 PM An: advaitin Betreff: Re: Re: My new member Introduction Siddhartha "sidha" <sidha I still, starting from the very beginning, don't understand a very fundamental question, that, "what is in fact God?" What is it according to the Upanishads and Gita? And what is it in its true and perfect form, if it has at all one? More than that, "what is it according to Rig-veda?" which seems to have so many Gods. How can we understand the Supreme Existence, as was revealed to Bhagavan Shankaracharya, which he has portrayed in his Bhashya of the 16th Shloka of the second chapter of Shri Gita, naasato vidyate bhaavo naabhaavo vidyate satah, etc. If our esteemed Vijay Kumar ji could throw some light on that what (=God) he has realized in 1993, The collective power of all purified Atmans (souls) in the cosmos is what we known as God, the Almighty Creator which is one and only one. Many Gods referred in the Vedas are celestial powers assisting the Cosmic system to evolve ... The sun God, the fire God etc. God has always been nirakaar. It does not have a form. A single grain of wheat is one Atman ... the whole mound Parmatman, the Almighty Creator. The story of my realization can be read on my home page. Vijay Kumar ... (The man who realized God in 1993) http://www.godrealized.com/ - Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Your use of is subject to Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 - ALTON A ALTON Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:12 PM Harsha Vijay who you mocked answered Dear Vijay:Thanks for your brilliant an sharing answer.I asked the same set of questions to Harsha who mocked you and he wont answer them. He said that he does not feel like it. I am pressing him over on his board to either say that he is not realized or to answer the questions.I will look into your site now.Love,Alton Dear Alton, If you lack enough common sense to see thru Vijay's nonsense, then it might be best to abandon your mission of "unmasking" frauds. Apparently, anyone knowing the basic vocabulary can fool you, and you wouldn't recognize the real McCoy if it was staring you in the face. You say Harsha "mocked" Vijay with his humorous reply, yet you do not feel that your channeling of Ramana is a mockery of him? Or is that just your latest creative way of testing the limits of patience here? Ignorance is a common enough human failing to be quite understandable, no problem with that, but I can no longer see much sincerity in you or your quest, Alton. Since you appear to be caught up with playing silly games, and focusing on personalities, rather than seeking truth. You are free to waste your own time but not mine. There are many mature and sincerely helpful people on these lists who have taken their time to reach out to you - Wim, Dan, Joyce, Tim - yet you can't be bothered to listen, to pay attention, or to reply to those messages. Alton, if you really are 64, isn't it about time to at least grow up? Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Hi Gloria -- Yes, some correspondents have "reached out" and others have "provided direct feedback" as you're doing. Meanwhile the Alton project continues to continue ... Funny thing about that. ;-) Stubborn determination, determined stubbornness -- a man with a mission? Love, Dan Dear Alton, If you lack enough common sense to see thru Vijay's nonsense, then it might be best to abandon your mission of "unmasking" frauds. Apparently, anyone knowing the basic vocabulary can fool you, and you wouldn't recognize the real McCoy if it was staring you in the face. You say Harsha "mocked" Vijay with his humorous reply, yet you do not feel that your channeling of Ramana is a mockery of him? Or is that just your latest creative way of testing the limits of patience here? Ignorance is a common enough human failing to be quite understandable, no problem with that, but I can no longer see much sincerity in you or your quest, Alton. Since you appear to be caught up with playing silly games, and focusing on personalities, rather than seeking truth. You are free to waste your own time but not mine. There are many mature and sincerely helpful people on these lists who have taken their time to reach out to you - Wim, Dan, Joyce, Tim - yet you can't be bothered to listen, to pay attention, or to reply to those messages. Alton, if you really are 64, isn't it about time to at least grow up? Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Oh yes...it will likely continue... just what that "mission" really is remains to be seen, by some perhaps. No illusions here of stopping it, nor even the wish. Just giving notice that I am no longer wasting my time with it. I have lost interest in Alton's childish games. Glo - Daniel Berkow Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:35 PM Re: Harsha Vijay who you mocked answered Hi Gloria --Yes, some correspondents have "reached out" and others have "provided direct feedback" as you're doing.Meanwhile the Alton project continues to continue ...Funny thing about that.;-)Stubborn determination, determined stubbornness -- a man with a mission?Love,Dan Dear Alton, If you lack enough common sense to see thru Vijay's nonsense, then it might be best to abandon your mission of "unmasking" frauds. Apparently, anyone knowing the basic vocabulary can fool you, and you wouldn't recognize the real McCoy if it was staring you in the face. You say Harsha "mocked" Vijay with his humorous reply, yet you do not feel that your channeling of Ramana is a mockery of him? Or is that just your latest creative way of testing the limits of patience here? Ignorance is a common enough human failing to be quite understandable, no problem with that, but I can no longer see much sincerity in you or your quest, Alton. Since you appear to be caught up with playing silly games, and focusing on personalities, rather than seeking truth. You are free to waste your own time but not mine. There are many mature and sincerely helpful people on these lists who have taken their time to reach out to you - Wim, Dan, Joyce, Tim - yet you can't be bothered to listen, to pay attention, or to reply to those messages. Alton, if you really are 64, isn't it about time to at least grow up? Gloria /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 On 7/18/01 at 8:23 PM Gloria Lee wrote: Oh yes...it will likely continue... just what that "mission" really is remains to be seen, by some perhaps. No illusions here of stopping it, nor even the wish. Just giving notice that I am no longer wasting my time with it. I have lost interest in Alton's childish games. Glo Ego-games remind of the many ways "how to deflate a balloon" (ego) and a few are: 1. slowly and silently 2. with a loud bang 3. with a hissing noise 4. with a farting noise 5. via a reed instrument And see the scenario for all kinds of plays and responses But what if balloons (still) are being inflated? What would be the sound of that? Hymns in B-flat? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Oh yes...it will likely continue... just what that "mission" really is remains to be seen, by some perhaps. What is any mission, really? A project to validate the missionary ... With no project to attain, no ideal to assert -- where is the attainer and the asserter? Dan No illusions here of stopping it, nor even the wish. Just giving notice that I am no longer wasting my time with it. I have lost interest in Alton's childish games. Glo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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