Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Aye Aye Captain. :-) Heres what Ijust got back from my living form guru. Gurubhakti M as did`nt know them all myself and in such neat order. :-) > Namaste Brother, > As you requested, here are the first 24 tattvas > in reverse order, starting with the grossest > principle, and going increasingly more subtle. > > Five Gross Elements (Bhutas): > > 1) Earth (Prithivi) > 2) Water (Apas) > 3) Fire (Teja) > 4) Wind (Vayu) > 5)Ether (Akasha) > > Five Subtle Elements (Tanmatras): > > 6) Odor as such (Gandha-tanmatra) Earth arises from > this. > 7) Flavor as such (Rasa-tanmatra) Water arises from > this. > 8) Color as such (Rupa-tanmatra) Fire arises from > this > 9) Touch as such (Sparsha-tanmatra) Wind arises > from this > 10) Sound as such (Shabda-tanmatra) Ether arises > from this > > Five Karmandriyas (powers of action) > 11) sexual action and restfulness (upasthendriya) > 12) Excreting (payvindriya) > 13) Locomotion (padendriya) > 14) Handling (hastendriya) > 15) speaking (vagindriya) > > Five Jnanendriyas or Buddhindriyas (powers of sense > perception) > 16) Hearing (shravanendriya) > 17) Feeling by touch (sparshanendriya) > 18) Seeing (cakshurindriya) > 19) Tasting (rasanendriya) > 20) smelling (ghranenderiya) > > Tattvas of Mental Operation > > 21) Manas--mind which cooperates with the senses in > building up perceptions, images, > and concepts. This is a product > of Ahamkara. > > 22) Ahamkara--The ego or limited 'I' sense. This is > a product of Buddhi. > > 23) Buddhi--The ascertaining intellect; intuition. > Reflects on objects external and internal. > > 24) Prakriti/Purusha--Prakriti is the root matrix of > objectivity; Purusha is the limitation of > the divine > perfection which gives birth to the limited subject. > Both > Prakriti and > Purusha come about by Maya Shakti of Shiva which > veils the > divine Perfection; the All becomes limitless > subject/object. > > Love > M ===== Cognosce Te Ipsum Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 Dear Papa swan, thank you... Perfect list, as expected... So again, let's consider Bhagavan (I love that word) Ramana: > He [guru] need not be in a human form. > Dattatreya had twenty-four gurus: > the five elements, earth, water, etc. > Which means that every object > in this world was his guru. Looking at that list (below), is it not remarkable how unquestionably all inclusive it attempts to be? (More on that a little later.) In the western paradigm we would use different words, we would look from different angles, more physical, structural, more statistical, etc. It does not matter as specifics and detail are a matter of (a) perception, (b) analysis, © conception and (d) classification (e) speculation. Items (b) through (e) are part of guru 21 in the list below, "Mind which cooperates with the senses in building up perceptions, images, and concepts". This is as I have written before, from my angle, in previous posts. The idea behind the "twenty-four gurus" list is the completeness of the range in "energy formulation / formation:" from the grossest to the subtlest... as Hamsa Yogini suggested: "The magnetic energy (Odic)." Notice that what is not included in the "24 gurus" list below: anything to do with what we call "vice and virtue," merit and demerit". That should be obvious as that belongs to the conceptionalizing and speculating part (c and e), but in the negative sense: when manas / mind through social subordination or control is not able to help the human to be what the human is in freedom, moksha. Emancipation: being be free from any controlling power structure, which through influence of mores and beliefs, prescribes directly or indirectly behaviour, using exhortations, enforcements and conditional stimuli to enable the subordinated being to act within rules of a "top down" (bully) or "bottom up" (peer group) structured "society". A quote from "the New Yorker " of July 23, the article titled "Rethinking the Brain" by Michael Specter: "[Professor Elizabeth] Gould demonstrated the adverse affects that social subordination or fear can have: expose a rodent to the scent of a predator (in this case a fox) and it will become so anxious that its production of new neurons [in the brain] will quickly fall away." It appears that she is on her way to finding the physical mechanism (the western paradigm) in humans for fear to cause brain dysfunction. When fear is manipulatively used on humans for control and subordinative purposes it may well have the same effect physically on humans as on he fox. Physically, we are still to find out, but psychologically we already know that threatened people have a hard time to "rethink" the reality of their situation as even perception of the physical environment is affected... There is the expectation though that those brain cells can re-grow as apparently they do in animals... Lest we are to be a lesser animal... No way! Love, Wim ------------------------------- Five Gross Elements (Bhutas): 1) Earth (Prithivi) 2) Water (Apas) 3) Fire (Teja) 4) Wind (Vayu) 5)Ether (Akasha) Five Subtle Elements (Tanmatras): 6) Odor as such (Gandha-tanmatra) Earth arises from this. 7) Flavor as such (Rasa-tanmatra) Water arises from this. 8) Color as such (Rupa-tanmatra) Fire arises from his 9) Touch as such (Sparsha-tanmatra) Wind arises from this 10) Sound as such (Shabda-tanmatra) Ether arises from this Five Karmandriyas (powers of action) 11) sexual action and restfulness (upasthendriya) 12) Excreting (payvindriya) 13) Locomotion (padendriya) 14) Handling (hastendriya) 15) speaking (vagindriya) Five Jnanendriyas or Buddhindriyas (powers of sense perception) 16) Hearing (shravanendriya) 17) Feeling by touch (sparshanendriya) 18) Seeing (cakshurindriya) 19) Tasting (rasanendriya) 20) smelling (ghranenderiya) Tattvas of Mental Operation 21) Manas--mind which cooperates with the senses in building up perceptions, images, and concepts. This is a product of Ahamkara. 22) Ahamkara--The ego or limited 'I' sense. This is a product of Buddhi. 23) Buddhi--The ascertaining intellect; intuition. Reflects on objects external and internal. 24) Prakriti/Purusha--Prakriti is the root matrix of objectivity; Purusha is the limitation of the divine perfection which gives birth to the limited subject. Both Prakriti and Purusha come about by Maya Shakti of Shiva which veils the divine Perfection; the All becomes limitless subject/object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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