Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 Dear Papa swan, thank you... (second version some minor corrections)Perfect list, as expected...So again, let's consider Bhagavan (I love that word) Ramana:> He [guru] need not be in a human form.> Dattatreya had twenty-four gurus:> the five elements, earth, water, etc.> Which means that every object> in this world was his guru.Looking at that list (below), is it not remarkable how unquestionablyall inclusive it attempts to be? (More on that a little later.)In the western paradigm we would use different words, we would look fromdifferent angles, more physical, structural, more statistical, etc. Itdoes not matter as specifics and detail are a matter of (a) perception,(b) analysis, © conception and (d) classification (e) speculation. Items (b) through (e) are part of guru 21 in the list below, "Mind whichcooperates with the senses in building up perceptions, images, andconcepts". This is as I have written before, from my angle, in previousposts.The idea behind the "twenty-four gurus" list is the completeness of therange in "energy formulation / formation:" from the grossest to thesubtlest... as Hamsa Yogini suggested: "The magnetic energy (Odic)."Notice * what is not included in the "24 gurus" list below: anything to do with what we call "vice and virtue," merit and demerit".That should be obvious, as that belongs to the conceptionalizing andspeculative part (c and e), but in the negative sense: when manas / mindthrough social subordination or control is not able to help the human tobe, what the human is in freedom, moksha, emancipation. Emancipation: being be free from any controlling power structure, which through influence of mores and beliefs, prescribes directlyor indirectly behaviour, using exhortations, enforcements and conditionalstimuli to enable the subordinated being to act within rules of a "top down" (bully) or "bottom up" (peer group) structured "society".A quote from "the New Yorker " of July 23, the article titled"Rethinking the Brain" by Michael Specter:"[Professor Elizabeth] Gould demonstrated the adverse affects thatsocial subordination or fear can have: expose a rodent to the scent of apredator (in this case a fox) and it will become so anxious that itsproduction of new neurons [in the brain] will quickly fall away."It appears that she is on her way to finding the physical mechanism (thewestern paradigm) in humans for fear to cause brain dysfunction. Whenfear is manipulatively used on humans for control and subordinativepurposes it may well have the same effect physically on humans as on herodent. Physically, we are still to find out, but psychologically wealready know that threatened people have a hard time to "rethink" thereality of their situation as even perception of the physicalenvironment is affected... There is the expectation though that thosebrain cells can re-grow as apparently they do in animals...Lest we are to be a lesser animal...No way!Love, Wim------------------------------- Five Gross Elements (Bhutas): 1) Earth (Prithivi)2) Water (Apas)3) Fire (Teja)4) Wind (Vayu)5)Ether (Akasha) Five Subtle Elements (Tanmatras): 6) Odor as such (Gandha-tanmatra) Earth arises from this.7) Flavor as such (Rasa-tanmatra) Water arises from this.8) Color as such (Rupa-tanmatra) Fire arises from his9) Touch as such (Sparsha-tanmatra) Wind arises from this10) Sound as such (Shabda-tanmatra) Ether arises from thisFive Karmandriyas (powers of action)11) sexual action and restfulness (upasthendriya)12) Excreting (payvindriya)13) Locomotion (padendriya)14) Handling (hastendriya)15) speaking (vagindriya)Five Jnanendriyas or Buddhindriyas (powers of sense perception)16) Hearing (shravanendriya)17) Feeling by touch (sparshanendriya)18) Seeing (cakshurindriya)19) Tasting (rasanendriya)20) smelling (ghranenderiya) Tattvas of Mental Operation21) Manas--mind which cooperates with the senses in building upperceptions, images, and concepts. This is a product of Ahamkara.22) Ahamkara--The ego or limited 'I' sense. This is a product of Buddhi.23) Buddhi--The ascertaining intellect; intuition. Reflects on objectsexternal and internal.24) Prakriti/Purusha--Prakriti is the root matrix of objectivity;Purusha is the limitation of the divine perfection which gives birth tothe limited subject. Both Prakriti and Purusha come about by Maya Shaktiof Shiva which veils the divine Perfection; the All becomes limitlesssubject/object. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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