Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 At 07:51 AM 7/21/01 +0000, you wrote: Dan,Glo and friends, You just helped me realize the answer to a question that has occupied my mind for years. If enlightenment is, as it says, great light, why is Kali, the Mother of us all,supreme Maya, the creative matrix, always depicted as Black. You touch on some of the reasons here in your 2 posts. Kali is that which acts in darkness, and is experienced by most as instinct, blind emotional reaction, the appetites, etc.. It is only in her role as Guru or YogaMayi that she presents herself as Siva, consciousness and light. Yoga, like Jungian Psychology, seeks to make "the darkness conscious". I recognize Dan that this isn't the idea that you are portraying, but only represents what it tripped in me. yours in the bonds, eric Hi Eric -- Whatever it tripped - let it rip! Kali is a dark tunnel in which death and birth are one. Leaving one universe is entry to another. Realizing this, Kali and I are not-two. Now, where am I? Where eternal loss and infinite being are one -- Edgeless dark space of omnipresent light -- and no location -- Neither in this universe nor the next, yet as all universes -- this totality without any place to call home ... Kali has become the childless mother, who imaginings required her to slay what was created, Where creation/destruction are not-two, I bow to/as you, Namaste, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 Dear Eric, Mine is a far more mundane observation than the sort Dan makes,but is in relation to the Jung quotes on darkness. Jung objected to Freud's characterization of the unconscious as only this blind instinct, or drives that required control by the ego and superego. The "unconscious" was a rich source of wisdom and intelligence, sending messages in dreams and symbol form to balance and inform the ego driven, more civilized, ie. conditioned by culture, conscious personality towards a healthier wholeness. And his exploration into the collective unconscious was as mystical a journey as any religious paradigm has ever depicted. His more 'positive' perspective on the unconscious was simply a part of a vision of wholeness that was at least verging on nondual. So your insight about Kali as creative matrix would be very much in harmony with that Jungian perpective. Dan will probably remind us none of this is real, but as long as our imagination is playing with imagery and concepts..these are pretty cool ones. Darkness loses its usual association with evil and becomes a servant of awareness. Tripping along with you, Gloria At 07:51 AM 7/21/01 +0000, you wrote: Dan,Glo and friends,You just helped me realize the answer to a question that has occupied my mind for years. If enlightenment is, as it says, great light, why is Kali, the Mother of us all,supreme Maya, the creative matrix, always depicted as Black. You touch on some of the reasons here in your 2 posts. Kali is that which acts in darkness, and is experienced by most as instinct, blind emotional reaction, the appetites, etc.. It is only in her role as Guru or YogaMayi that she presents herself as Siva, consciousness and light. Yoga, like Jungian Psychology, seeks to make "the darkness conscious". I recognize Dan that this isn't the idea that you are portraying, but only represents what it tripped in me.yours in the bonds,ericHi Eric --Whatever it tripped - let it rip!Kali is a dark tunnel in which death and birth are one.Leaving one universe is entry to another.Realizing this, Kali and I are not-two.Now, where am I?Where eternal loss and infinite being are one --Edgeless dark space of omnipresent light -- and no location --Neither in this universe nor the next, yet as all universes -- this totality without any place to call home ...Kali has become the childless mother, who imaginings required her to slay what was created,Where creation/destruction are not-two,I bow to/as you,Namaste,Dan/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Dan, I have a difficult time comprehending Unity vs Diversity, but feel quite comfortable with the notion of Not-Two. Kali and Shiva as Not- Two. oddly, Nirvikalpa Samadhi can't profitably be thought about, but Sahaja Samadhi can.Hmmm? yours in the bonds, eric > > Hi Eric -- > > Whatever it tripped - let it rip! > > Kali is a dark tunnel in which death > and birth are one. > > Leaving one universe is entry to another. > > Realizing this, Kali and I are not-two. > > Now, where am I? > > Where eternal loss and infinite being > are one -- > > Edgeless dark space of omnipresent light -- > and no location -- > > Neither in this universe nor the next, > yet as all universes -- this > totality without any place > to call home ... > > Kali has become the childless mother, > who imaginings required her to > slay what was created, > > Where creation/destruction are not-two, > > I bow to/as you, > > Namaste, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 At 08:36 AM 7/23/01 +0000, you wrote: Dan, I have a difficult time comprehending Unity vs Diversity, but feel quite comfortable with the notion of Not-Two. Kali and Shiva as Not- Two. oddly, Nirvikalpa Samadhi can't profitably be thought about, but Sahaja Samadhi can.Hmmm? yours in the bonds, eric Hi Eric -- It seems to me that we tend to take our assumptions about reality, as reality. That means we "get" what we expect to see. When we have a difficult time comprehending, that is a signal that we are coming to someplace that our assumptions don't work well for us. What we're getting is not what we expected, doesn't fit the past. Another name for this place that is difficult to comprehend is "now" ... Whatever we think we can think about, is not what we can't think about. Another name for what we can't think about is "now". Of course, "now" really doesn't have any name at all. I have no idea why you think sahaja samadhi can profitably be thought about. In fact, I don't see why thought about any kind of samadhi would be profitable. Even giving the concept of "samadhi" seems to define someone who knows apart from someone who doesn't know, and such attempts to define personal states of being aware seem, to me, to diminish the "bare fact" of being aware, as *this*, as "this is" ... Not thinking I've explained anything, Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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