Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 >> The Goddess has many faces. One of them is Sarswati. << Dear Harsha ~ I appreciated much your clarification of the word, "chela," and your brief mention of Saraswati. Since I stand as an "outsider" to a culture that has given us Sanata Dharma, I am always appreciating the thoughts of those who have come from inside the culture (and, before I get in trouble, let me add that, yes I realise all cultures are part of dualism and that there are really no cultures at all...on the other hand, I love the colorful play of difference!). Saraswati is one of my favorites, and I often think of Her as a patroness, since I am an artist and musician. I love her association with the Swan (Hamsa) and the pictures of her playing the vina (spelling?). Shree Maa plays the vina ~ at least I think it is a vina, perhaps you can tell me. It is a very long stringed instrument with a rounded base and when played makes a sustained encapsulating vibration of sound. I know the faces of the Goddess are many, yet my closest ones are Kali, Saraswati and Durga. I have been reading the Chandi, and I love Durga's honorific as She Who Tears Apart Thought. I gladly offer Her all of mine. This is not entirely related, however, I long to share it. There is a Swami I have never met, Swami Jyoti. He created and has contributed to a wonderful magazine, "Light of Consciousness." I have issues dating back to 1995 and I read them over and over again. Since he has an ashram in Tucson, and I am moving to southern NM, to Silver City, which is about 3 hours from Tucson, I have been very excited, thinking now I will get to meet him and maybe attend a satsang or retreat. Today I called the ashram publication office to find out if my latest issue of the magazine had gone awry (it had) and to tell whoever answered the phone about my move. When I asked about being notified of retreats I might attend, the woman on the other end became very quiet and then said, "I have something very sad to tell you." I said, "Okay," not knowing what I would hear, but hearing the tears in her voice. "Swami passed this summer," she said. I began to cry. I told her how sad I was and how much his words in the magazine have meant to me. We empathized with each other, though I know, for her the sorrow must run deep because of her close relationship to Swami Jyoti. She said I would be welcome to visit the ashram and to call when I have relocated. I sat at the table crying quietly and Doug came in and asked me what was the matter. I told him, and he empathized because he knew I had wanted to visit the ashram this summer when we traveled, and we never got to Arizona at all. Then he said, "Well, you know, he still touch you from where he is," which is exactly what the young woman at the ashram had said, but in different words. Will he or won't he, or will I or won't I feel his presence? I don't know. In some way, it is not really important because he has touched me already and will continue to through the volume of taped satsangs and the magazines, which I have been assured will continue. In this world of maya (which I have learned to my delight was misnamed "illusion" and means, at least according to the Chandi, the "Great Measurement," ~ takes some of the derogatory sting out of this word and world as represented by it, I believe), in my experiences, it is sometimes these small touches across seemingly great distances that break through dualism and spark connection and unity. I have also been reading about different types of meditation or meditative awareness or just awareness, and I have been so interested to find a kind of progression or relationship or relationships, if you will. (You will understand this far better than I am relating it, Harsha, and also I hope you understand mixture of sorrow and joy I am feeling today.) As I understand it at the moment, first there is me, you (or the object) and the relationship between the two, then there is just me and you (which becomes the Beloved), and then there is just...ISness, nonduality, whatever it is that words are inadequate to reveal but has clearly been experienced. These all have names, of course, but at the moment I don't remember them. The explication is from a discourse between Shree Maa and Swami Saraswati on the Kasapya Sutras. I liked the way Swami described the individual sutras as "teacher's notes." They are short, aren't they. ...lastly, I would like to share some of Swami Jyoti's words from Spring/Summer '99 magazine, as I believe they are relevant to this group (and actually are the one place where he has spoken directly about nondualism). It is excerpted from a satsang about dreaming ~ the dreaming within the dream and the dreaming life as a dream: "...unless we are born or awakened to non-dualism, to the Absoute, we cannot really know what dualism is. We are in the dream--action and reaction, cause and effect, form and name--and we philosophize so much that we take it to be real. If it is Real, it should not give us pain and misery. That is the proof. It should not give us stagnation, miseries, a sense of separation. Death should not give us pain, if it is real; reality should not give us pain, by its own logic. Trugh should not be painful. That which gives us pain, makes us miserable, frustrated and wanting, must be unreal. This is dualism...When we awaken, we come back to our Absolute Truth: I am. Me as Awarenss, me as Absolute, me as God, as Light, as Infinite, Absolute, Eternal, without name and form. That unlimited Consciousness is blissful." ....and this little bit also: "One saint explained this in his simple rural colloquialism: "I keep non-dualism in my pocket and play with dualism." Shanti ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Thanks for sharing Linda. The story of Swami Jyoti is very touching and you tell it from a pure place in your mind and heart and so it moves us. The word "Jyoti" means light and in the spiritual context it refers to the inner light, the light of consciousness that is self-illuminating and illumines everything. The Jyoti or the light of consciousness is our true Guru. We Are That. It manifests outside as the Guru, Divine Mother, Teacher, Friend, and Guide. Sri Ramana used to say that the outer Guru will only tell you to go within, to see our own inner light as Being. So the Guru is Always Here. Grace is Always Here. When we open to it suddenly, it is like a flood. When we open slowly like a flower, it seeps in gradually, and we don't even notice anything. Perhaps you have heard stories of simple devotees with their pure love for the Divine Beloved. Seeing the Divine in all, their heart has grown so big that it embraces all living beings. For them even floods seems like gently falling tear drops consciousness. Yes, and the faces of the Divine Mother are many and She symbolizes the infinite forms the energy of consciousness can take. Maha Kali, Maha Lakshmi, Maha Sarswati, Maheshwari are some of Her manifestations, ..........Aurbindo has written about the Mother and the characteristics of Her various faces. Wim (our beautiful and wonderful resident Boddhisatwa) is familiar with Aurbindo's writings I believe. I have never taken much to Sri Aurbindo's philosophy, although many people find him appealing and evidently have been helped through his teachings and insights. Love to all Harsha nierika (AT) aol (DOT) com [nierika (AT) aol (DOT) com]Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:09 PMTo: Subject: Re: the Goddess Harsha wrote (in response to Angelique and her Kali poem): >> The Goddess has many faces. One of them is Sarswati. << Dear Harsha ~ I appreciated much your clarification of the word, "chela," and your brief mention of Saraswati. Since I stand as an "outsider" to a culture that has given us Sanata Dharma, I am always appreciating the thoughts of those who have come from inside the culture (and, before I get in trouble, let me add that, yes I realise all cultures are part of dualism and that there are really no cultures at all...on the other hand, I love the colorful play of difference!). Saraswati is one of my favorites, and I often think of Her as a patroness, since I am an artist and musician. I love her association with the Swan (Hamsa) and the pictures of her playing the vina (spelling?). Shree Maa plays the vina ~ at least I think it is a vina, perhaps you can tell me. It is a very long stringed instrument with a rounded base and when played makes a sustained encapsulating vibration of sound. I know the faces of the Goddess are many, yet my closest ones are Kali, Saraswati and Durga. I have been reading the Chandi, and I love Durga's honorific as She Who Tears Apart Thought. I gladly offer Her all of mine. This is not entirely related, however, I long to share it. There is a Swami I have never met, Swami Jyoti. He created and has contributed to a wonderful magazine, "Light of Consciousness." I have issues dating back to 1995 and I read them over and over again. Since he has an ashram in Tucson, and I am moving to southern NM, to Silver City, which is about 3 hours from Tucson, I have been very excited, thinking now I will get to meet him and maybe attend a satsang or retreat. Today I called the ashram publication office to find out if my latest issue of the magazine had gone awry (it had) and to tell whoever answered the phone about my move. When I asked about being notified of retreats I might attend, the woman on the other end became very quiet and then said, "I have something very sad to tell you." I said, "Okay," not knowing what I would hear, but hearing the tears in her voice. "Swami passed this summer," she said. I began to cry. I told her how sad I was and how much his words in the magazine have meant to me. We empathized with each other, though I know, for her the sorrow must run deep because of her close relationship to Swami Jyoti. She said I would be welcome to visit the ashram and to call when I have relocated. I sat at the table crying quietly and Doug came in and asked me what was the matter. I told him, and he empathized because he knew I had wanted to visit the ashram this summer when we traveled, and we never got to Arizona at all. Then he said, "Well, you know, he still touch you from where he is," which is exactly what the young woman at the ashram had said, but in different words. Will he or won't he, or will I or won't I feel his presence? I don't know. In some way, it is not really important because he has touched me already and will continue to through the volume of taped satsangs and the magazines, which I have been assured will continue. In this world of maya (which I have learned to my delight was misnamed "illusion" and means, at least according to the Chandi, the "Great Measurement," ~ takes some of the derogatory sting out of this word and world as represented by it, I believe), in my experiences, it is sometimes these small touches across seemingly great distances that break through dualism and spark connection and unity. I have also been reading about different types of meditation or meditative awareness or just awareness, and I have been so interested to find a kind of progression or relationship or relationships, if you will. (You will understand this far better than I am relating it, Harsha, and also I hope you understand mixture of sorrow and joy I am feeling today.) As I understand it at the moment, first there is me, you (or the object) and the relationship between the two, then there is just me and you (which becomes the Beloved), and then there is just...ISness, nonduality, whatever it is that words are inadequate to reveal but has clearly been experienced. These all have names, of course, but at the moment I don't remember them. The explication is from a discourse between Shree Maa and Swami Saraswati on the Kasapya Sutras. I liked the way Swami described the individual sutras as "teacher's notes." They are short, aren't they. ....lastly, I would like to share some of Swami Jyoti's words from Spring/Summer '99 magazine, as I believe they are relevant to this group (and actually are the one place where he has spoken directly about nondualism). It is excerpted from a satsang about dreaming ~ the dreaming within the dream and the dreaming life as a dream: "...unless we are born or awakened to non-dualism, to the Absoute, we cannot really know what dualism is. We are in the dream--action and reaction, cause and effect, form and name--and we philosophize so much that we take it to be real. If it is Real, it should not give us pain and misery. That is the proof. It should not give us stagnation, miseries, a sense of separation. Death should not give us pain, if it is real; reality should not give us pain, by its own logic. Trugh should not be painful. That which gives us pain, makes us miserable, frustrated and wanting, must be unreal. This is dualism...When we awaken, we come back to our Absolute Truth: I am. Me as Awarenss, me as Absolute, me as God, as Light, as Infinite, Absolute, Eternal, without name and form. That unlimited Consciousness is blissful." ....and this little bit also: "One saint explained this in his simple rural colloquialism: "I keep non-dualism in my pocket and play with dualism." Shanti ~ Linda /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Dear Linda, These words were EXACTLY what I needed to read, right in the moment I read them. Grace. So mysterious, so perfect. And the gratitude is endless. Grace itself. Love, Kheyala "...unless we are born or awakened to non-dualism, to the Absoute, we cannot really know what dualism is. We are in the dream--action and reaction, cause and effect, form and name--and we philosophize so much that we take it to be real. If it is Real, it should not give us pain and misery. That is the proof. It should not give us stagnation, miseries, a sense of separation. Death should not give us pain, if it is real; reality should not give us pain, by its own logic. Trugh should not be painful. That which gives us pain, makes us miserable, frustrated and wanting, must be unreal. This is dualism...When we awaken, we come back to our Absolute Truth: I am. Me as Awarenss, me as Absolute, me as God, as Light, as Infinite, Absolute, Eternal, without name and form. That unlimited Consciousness is blissful." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Linda wrote [[.. Swami Jyoti .. "Swami passed this summer,"]] ** Jai Sri Swami Jyotiji! Om Santi ... Yogini Sakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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