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>>"Wim Borsboom" <wim

>>Re: To the Cause of Violence.

>>Dear Tim,

>>You wrote:

> Violence is a 'cause',

> not an effect.

>>"To the cause of violence"

>>???

>>"Violence a cause"

>>???

 

Yes I know.

The same thing.

A 'choice in any matter' is a cause.

It requires two causes to create

a single effect.

 

In other words, motion without reference is not motion at all it is

simply without reference. Still.

 

The cannon ball and the wall. Where is the fight if they never meet?

 

>>cause / effect

>>???

>>action / reaction

>>???

 

 

cause:cause/effect to be certain.

>>concepts, notions, ideas...

 

Yes.

>>one doesn't perceive causes,

 

One that is not aware does not perceive. I agree.

>>one doesn't perceive effects,

 

One that is not aware does not perceive effects. I agree.

>>one doesn't perceive reaction

 

One that is not aware does not perceive reaction. I agree.

>>'TAIN'T THAT WAY

>>NO WAY

 

Of course you 'must' be right.

>>Unless one is

>>one only knows

>>what anything is

 

Yes. I 'might' agree.

>>Humans don't know who they are, what anything is,

>>except for their concepts about who they are, what anything is.

 

I disagree. If they did not know who they were, there would be no

desire to be anything and yet, that is clearly not the case. A point of

reference. A label perhaps. Are the gods any less prone to not knowing

who they are?

 

As above; so below. If you are making a humans vs. the gods idea I fail

to see where the distinctions are made.

 

They resist one another's self perceived authorities. 'I's and 'eyes'

on both sides I am afraid.

 

The 'don't know who', 'what anything is', and 'concepts' is a result of

'knowing' to some degree. It is the 'direction' of that knowing that

leads to or away.

 

It is the unknowing that is the aim and when contact is achieved the

above doesn't change... it adapts... or not depending on the momentum

of the causes.

 

Unknowing? Hm. There is a funny kind of freedom in not knowing.. the

kind of freedom that opens one's eyes. When the eyes are open, one

knows and thus, one chooses less not more.

>>Knowing stands for not knowing.

>>There's nothing to know.

 

Nothing to know? It would seem to me that 'knowing stands for not

knowing' is a knowing. When you get dizzy stop chasing your tail... or

fall down.

> Will I 'fight'? No.

> Can I 'fight'? Yes.

>>If you did not fight, you could not have fought, otherwise you would

>>have fought.

 

Incorrect. It is the blindness that you elequently express above that

bleeds compassion from my being. No other thing. That which is done

with 'sight' is what provokes my fight.

>>if you could have fought you would have fought.

 

No. It is a choice.

>>If you will fight you already fought.

 

No. It is a choice.

>>If you could not have fought you would not have fought

 

No. It is a choice.

> You decide.

>>You don't exist.

 

Yes I do. It is you that does not exist. Do you know why? Because you

exist 'in me and without me' and my awareness of you is my own. Shall I

forget that:

> My name is Tim Harris.

 

???

>>I

 

Yes. That 'I' is a part of the problem isn't it?

 

I too shall stand alone

before that karmic throne

to account for my own

and my guidence.

 

Then who are you

to come along too

but to witness

that which

you already know?

 

Jesus Christ. I know I AM.

 

 

 

=====

-- hobbes

 

 

 

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