Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 >>"Wim Borsboom" <wim >>Re: To the Cause of Violence. >>Dear Tim, >>You wrote: > Violence is a 'cause', > not an effect. >>"To the cause of violence" >>??? >>"Violence a cause" >>??? Yes I know. The same thing. A 'choice in any matter' is a cause. It requires two causes to create a single effect. In other words, motion without reference is not motion at all it is simply without reference. Still. The cannon ball and the wall. Where is the fight if they never meet? >>cause / effect >>??? >>action / reaction >>??? cause:cause/effect to be certain. >>concepts, notions, ideas... Yes. >>one doesn't perceive causes, One that is not aware does not perceive. I agree. >>one doesn't perceive effects, One that is not aware does not perceive effects. I agree. >>one doesn't perceive reaction One that is not aware does not perceive reaction. I agree. >>'TAIN'T THAT WAY >>NO WAY Of course you 'must' be right. >>Unless one is >>one only knows >>what anything is Yes. I 'might' agree. >>Humans don't know who they are, what anything is, >>except for their concepts about who they are, what anything is. I disagree. If they did not know who they were, there would be no desire to be anything and yet, that is clearly not the case. A point of reference. A label perhaps. Are the gods any less prone to not knowing who they are? As above; so below. If you are making a humans vs. the gods idea I fail to see where the distinctions are made. They resist one another's self perceived authorities. 'I's and 'eyes' on both sides I am afraid. The 'don't know who', 'what anything is', and 'concepts' is a result of 'knowing' to some degree. It is the 'direction' of that knowing that leads to or away. It is the unknowing that is the aim and when contact is achieved the above doesn't change... it adapts... or not depending on the momentum of the causes. Unknowing? Hm. There is a funny kind of freedom in not knowing.. the kind of freedom that opens one's eyes. When the eyes are open, one knows and thus, one chooses less not more. >>Knowing stands for not knowing. >>There's nothing to know. Nothing to know? It would seem to me that 'knowing stands for not knowing' is a knowing. When you get dizzy stop chasing your tail... or fall down. > Will I 'fight'? No. > Can I 'fight'? Yes. >>If you did not fight, you could not have fought, otherwise you would >>have fought. Incorrect. It is the blindness that you elequently express above that bleeds compassion from my being. No other thing. That which is done with 'sight' is what provokes my fight. >>if you could have fought you would have fought. No. It is a choice. >>If you will fight you already fought. No. It is a choice. >>If you could not have fought you would not have fought No. It is a choice. > You decide. >>You don't exist. Yes I do. It is you that does not exist. Do you know why? Because you exist 'in me and without me' and my awareness of you is my own. Shall I forget that: > My name is Tim Harris. ??? >>I Yes. That 'I' is a part of the problem isn't it? I too shall stand alone before that karmic throne to account for my own and my guidence. Then who are you to come along too but to witness that which you already know? Jesus Christ. I know I AM. ===== -- hobbes Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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