Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Today people say 'Kundalini! Kundalini! My Kundalini has risen! There are even whole lists devoted to it, and many charletons out there who use peoples ignorance to better the pocket book and ego. In truth, most 'kundalini awakenings' are mere experiences that are mere 'path clearers' for a greater moment to come. In America, you are nobody if you don't have two cars and a risen kundalini! This is nonsense. Another nonsense is the notion that you can focus on 'your kundalini and chakras' and make Her rise, as if she were an insentient form of electricity. Foolish people! Kundalini rises when mind becomes still, Kundalini IS the true form of knowledge/power, She is not some 'other' that the mind can manipulate. There is no other to begin with. The mind trying to raise kundalini is like the thumb trying to tell the head what to do, it is so much silliness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Dear Syena, You may want to visit my website... www.aurasphere.org I appreciate your remarks, but do not pass judgement :-) untill you have read all the Kundalini sections :-) (-: better not to not pass judgement anyways :-) I identify Kundalini as: our innate self reclamation, self reorigination, self reintegration, self restoration process. The recovery of the human divine or divine human. Love, Wim > The mind trying to raise kundalini is like the thumb trying to > tell the head what to do, it is so much silliness. Hee hee, it is usually a different finger :-) Love, Wim (naughtily) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: I appreciate your remarks, but do not pass judgement :-) Hi Wim. I'll look at that. Quite truly, cause I look at everything. I posted this because it is another point of view which comes from someone I respect deeply. I do not necessarily agree with all of it...any of it...and maybe I agree with it all. That is not why I posted it and it really doesn't matter. I post stuff that is thought provoking sometimes...just...because. That is what it's about for me with lists. I do what I do...think what I think...experience my experiences as do we all. And it's all okay as far as I'm concerned...and I would not presume to tell anyone that my reality is okay and theirs is not. So, I guess I'm saying....that if you feel judged...then that's your baby. Your interpretation...your feeling. Your gift to do whatever you wish with. untill you have read all the Kundalini sections :-) And even then...judgment does not apply...How the heck can I judge anyone elses experience with K. I can only know what my own experience is. And in my books...every experience is different...and valid. But...I do feel that there are appropriate ways to encourage and develop K. and inappropriate ways to do so. For example, my feeling is that the psych wards have many patients who have been diagnosed with mental disorders...who really have had unguided and/or uncontroled K. awakening for a variety of reasons....and they are consequently lost...with no help. Drugged to the eyeballs... And then there are those who are innocently seeking to begin with...and unknowingly give their power to the glamour or promise of certain self proclaimed 'experts'...who themselves have a pot pourri and mish mash of understanding and experience that is not backed up or confirmed by a stable unity consciousness .....nor does their life reflect a stability. They think that the exhalted state of consciousness is the be all and end all and a sign of enlightenment. They become very stuck....and caught up in the toys and whistles of devas and fairies and sparkles and body surges that come with that state. It is a state to pass through only... on the way to more. K. awakening happens by stilling the mind...and focusing on the One. Vibration/sound/Om or whatever....chakras all have a place in the process. Shakti will move as she wills...in perfect order...and in her own sweet time. (Only the ego wants it different...but ironically, the more you let go of the ego...the deeper will be your experience...only the ego won't let you do that. It just loves the glamour.) And within that perfection, your experience may, and probably will, look entirely different from mine. The whole of it though must include an intense look at the self...a willingness to let go of the ego...and a desire to heal and express the emotions and crap....it really is a very holistic process.... And I will take a look-see at your site. Hugs. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Dear Syena, Judging is really about second guessing, just a more formal way. We cannot second guess anything... except illusions as... they are about second guessing. Illusions thrive on second guessing. Within the Kundalini process that illusiveness really floats to the surface... that is why one sees that a lot... It is actually a welcome sign of progress in the process of returning to reality. Better not to evaluate anyone's experiences as you suggest, it helps though to see illusions, craziness and weirdness as signs of healing. An infection that has started to heal is does that by exuding puss. With Kundalini there is really no inappropriateness...as anything will come out... has to come out, Kundalini eventually is relentless... Why? Because it is a self healing and self regeneration process... And the culprits who harmed young humans better be prepared that they will be made aware and will be confronted at some point in time. You know why we do not have a marketable and accepted truth serum... In a way Prozac type of medications can function as such. Being truthful is a side effect of SSRIs. Is that maybe the reason is why there is so much opposition from camps that can be held accountable? Are "truth serums" held back by the perpetrators of suffering? People undergoing Kundalini go through a "truth serum" period and surfacing memories of violations to them as young individuals are staggering. Part of my job is to have my clients deal with them. True, psych wards, as you say, may have quite some number of cases that can be diagnosed as Physio-Kundalini Syndrome. Better to start helping out in that field, if it concerns you so much, than to write about it the way you do. Whoever urged you to bring this up the way you did, with a choice of words that does not seem yours, quite likely that person does not have a clean slate. Derision does not do any good, help in that field, that is needed. I have done it, I'm doing it... Institutions can also be a safe haven, I have seen that often enough as well. > So, I guess I'm saying....that if you feel judged...> then that's your baby. Your interpretation...your feeling. Not to worry, beyond all that... > But...I do feel that there are appropriate ways to encourage > and develop K. and inappropriate ways to do so. What happens happens.... If things could have been done more appropriate, they would have been done more appropriate. Seeing that things are as they are, they apparently have to be that way....> For example, my feeling is that the psych wards have many patients > who have been diagnosed with mental disorders...who really have had > unguided and/or uncontrolled K. awakening for a variety of > reasons....and they are consequently lost...with no help. Drugged to > the eyeballs I wonder who your source is!> The whole of it though must include an intense look at the self...> a willingness to let go of the ego...and a desire to heal and express > the emotions and crap....it really is a very holistic process.... There, that's more like it, Syena. Those emotions and crap is the very thing you have been tempted to ridicule. So when you see people expressing the "crap", see it for what it is, not something to throw back at them. That would be like throwing excrement back in the face of a little child who may just have pooed its pants. Hugs. S. For sure Syena, hugs, cannot have enough of it...Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2001 Report Share Posted July 28, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Syena, > > Judging is really about second guessing, just a more formal way. This is an interesting way to put it. I guess it has that element in it...but it is more I think than that. We cannot second guess anything... except illusions as... they are about second guessing. Illusions thrive on second guessing. You have thrown a term of reference in here that means something to you. Defines in your mind what you mean. The term means something else to me..and so does the word judgment. Within the Kundalini process that illusiveness really floats to the surface... that is why one sees that a lot... Sees what? It is actually a welcome sign of progress in the process of returning to reality. Again...you use 'reality' and 'returning' to that...but, I have no framework with which to discuss this with you. What is reality? And what does that mean to you? Becoming conscious? Being aware of the delusion? The illusion? Being your true self? etc. Better not to evaluate anyone's experiences as you suggest, it helps though to see illusions, craziness and weirdness as signs of healing. An infection that has started to heal is does that by exuding puss. I don't have a problem with this. You have to crack eggs to make an omelette. These things you mention Can be a sign of healing...but not always. They can simply be a sign that these things are present. With Kundalini there is really no inappropriateness...as anything will come out... has to come out, Kundalini eventually is relentless... I know this...relentless when one is ready. Why? Because it is a self healing and self regeneration process... It is shakti generated...shakti healing...in my understanding. And the culprits who harmed young humans better be prepared that they will be made aware and will be confronted at some point in time. > > You know why we do not have a marketable and accepted truth serum... In a way Prozac type of medications can function as such. Prozac is an anti-depressnt. Being truthful is a side effect of SSRIs. Is that maybe the reason is why there is so much opposition from camps that can be held accountable? Are "truth serums" held back by the perpetrators of suffering? I have no idea of what you mean here. You've gone off somewhere and lost me. People undergoing Kundalini go through a "truth serum" period and surfacing memories of violations to them as young individuals are staggering. Yes...memories do come up to be healed. It happened to me, but the sorting out process, the healing process was included with the memory. I spent over 3000 hours in one year in a state of meditation....and this all happened as you say. The process continues. Part of my job is to have my clients deal with them. > > True, psych wards, as you say, may have quite some number of cases that can be diagnosed as Physio-Kundalini Syndrome. Better to start helping out in that field, if it concerns you so much, It doesn't....just because I am aware of something does not mean it concerns me. than to write about it the way you do. Whoever urged you to bring this up the way you did, with a choice of words that does not seem yours, quite likely that person does not have a clean slate. You've lost me again. The words were definitely mine. Derision does not do any good, help in that field, that is needed. I have done it, I'm doing it... Derision? Where does this come from? My compassion may not appear in my words...or you may not be aware of my compassion because you do not know me or do not look for it. > What happens happens.... > If things could have been done more appropriate, they would have been done more appropriate. Seeing that things are as they are, they apparently have to be that way.... A compassionate avoidance cop-out as far as I'm concerned. So...let's all just throw up our hands and let everything just BE. Who needs to concern or involve...or Do...or..prevent...or...try...or...succeed...or fail...or change..or help...or experience or grow. In a Bhudda like consciousness this is true...but not in the waking state where most of us live most of the time. and they are consequently lost...with no help. Drugged to > > the eyeballs > > I wonder who your source is! Talking with those who have been there. A state of bliss when compared to the DSM IV looks a lot like mania for example. Psychiatry in a very real sense considers altered states to be a disorder. And most of the time they are when seen accompanied by other symptoms and life experiences. This is partly what I meant by stable consciousness. So many do not take this into consideration when they hop on the k. bandwagon. The whole of it though must include an intense look at the self... > > a willingness to let go of the ego...and a desire to heal and express > > the emotions and crap....it really is a very holistic process.... > > There, that's more like it, Syena. More like WHAT? Those emotions and crap is the very thing you have been tempted to ridicule. So when you see people expressing the "crap", see it for what it is, not something to throw back at them. That would be like throwing excrement back in the face of a little child who may just have pooed its pants. If you go back and re-read my posts (there are not many:) I think you might have a clearer picture of my feelings around expressing emotions...and dealing with crap. Saying what I think...is part of that process...I take no offense...welcome buttons being pushed...and tell it like I feel it. I encourage everyone to do the same. "throwing back" may also be seen as a mirror....if one sees the compassion behind the words. And hey...you are that too. Hugs...Syena. Ps...saw your website... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2001 Report Share Posted July 28, 2001 Dear Syena, Wim: We cannot second guess anything... except illusions as... they are about second guessing. Illusions thrive on second guessing. Syena: You have thrown a term of reference in here that means something to you. Defines in your mind what you mean. The term means something else to me... and so does the word judgment. ***That being so, what do you do with it? Just let my statement sit there? Come on, Syena, work those brain cells... Do you not want to figure out more than what you are comfortable with? Wim: It is actually a welcome sign of progress in the process of returning to reality. Syena: Again...you use 'reality' and 'returning' to that...but, I have no framework with which to discuss this with you. What is reality? And what does that mean to you? Becoming conscious? Being aware of the delusion? The illusion? Being your true self? etc. ***Reality is 'what is'. Anything that 'is not' is conceptual. Reality is NOT what is mentally conceived. Reality is all that, which can be sensorially perceived. When we increasingly focus more on the *conceptual* than on the *perceptual* we run the risk of living more and more in illusion (from natural realism towards illusive mentalism.) Reality comes from the Latin word "res", which means "thing." The word "reality" is related to the Sanskrit "rayi", "property". Reality is all that, which can be perceived by the senses and our mechanical extensions of them (e.g. tape measures, thermometers, accelerators, cosmic probes, magnifying glasses, audio radiographic instrumentation, scanning tunneling electron microscopes, etc.) The tools humans use to measure all that which can be measured. What cannot be measured is not reality. What cannot be measured is mentally conceived, a thought content, hypothesized, conceptualized, imagined. Maya in the original Sanskrit meaning stands for reality, the sense-world of manifold phenomena, the sense-world of formations and formulations from the energetically most subtle to the energetically most gross (positive meaning). Reality is anything that falls within the space-time continuum. Anything that 'figures' in Einstein's E=Mc2 and relativity formulas is real... a thing... "res". Sure, this is a materialistic, concrete, exact and scientific definition, but then science is about the nature of things, reality, and... science reaches far and deep - very far, very deep - and SURPRISE... realized beings, when they use expressions from "I AM" to "Tat tvam asi" (Sanskrit: "thou art that") they express the relationship between the individual and absolute unity. And science is about Unity... I believe it was Werner Heisenberg who used to check his students with, "... but, do your calculations produce unity...? You have to have unity..." I know that what I say may seem to differ from what Ramana Maharshi is reported to say, such as in the quote that was just posted by Vicky: "The srutis [scriptures] and the sages say that the objects are only mental creations. They have no substantive being. Investigate the matter and ascertain the truth of the statement. The result will be the conclusion that the objective world is in the subjective consciousness. The Self is thus the only reality, which permeates and also envelops the world." What I stated above does not stand in the way of authentic full fledged realization. In fact it is indispensable! One needs to 'fully and wholeheartedly', "unquestioned and unconditionally' accept the "nature of things" sensorially... as objective reality. That means 'directly' with immediacy, which means: not mentally mediated or circumscribed, or enveloped in thoughts and judgmental evaluations. This WILL lead to the realization (not just a mental conclusion or logical deduction) that as Ramana says, "The objective world is in the subjective consciousness." Here though, Ramana does not mean, what most "beginning realizers" think it means. It means that full and unconditional *appreciation* of the material reality of the objective world leads naturally into the full realization of the absolute *concreteness* of SELF or as Ramana says: "The Self is thus the only reality, which permeates and also envelops the world." So through fully sensed objective reality we will realize "subjective consciousness" and vice versa ad infinitum, "sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper et in omnia saecula saeculorum". Wim: Better not to evaluate anyone's experiences as you suggest, it helps though to see illusions, craziness and weirdness as signs of healing. An infection that has started to heal is does that by exuding puss. Syena: These things you mention Can be a sign of healing...but not always. They can simply be a sign that these things are present. No, they ARE signs of healing..., always. A TRUE compassionate being cannot see it any other way! Wim: .... Because it (Kundalini) is a self healing and self regeneration process... Syena: It is shakti generated...shakti healing...in my understanding. ***Yes, in Sanskrit terms the Kundalini process uses Shakti as the healing current of energy, there are so many words for it: prana, holy spirit, eleuterios. The human being has an innate self healing process for self reintegration... Kundalini is an oriental expression that stands for that. Wim: You know why we do not have a marketable and accepted truth serum... In a way Prozac type of medications can function as such. Syena: Prozac is an anti-depressnt. ***Prozac is a SSRI... it is classified as an anti-depressant. Anti-depressant: so that the true human being has a chance to emerge... Wim: Being truthful is a side effect of SSRIs. Is that maybe the reason is why there is so much opposition from camps that can be held accountable? Are "truth serums" held back by the perpetrators of suffering? Syena: I have no idea of what you mean here. You've gone off somewhere and lost me. ***Well then, keep up with me... Let your brain cells do some work, make some associations, connections... Somewhere in the recesses of your brain you might know that there is quite some opposition against the use of Prozac type drugs (SSRIs). Wim: People undergoing Kundalini go through a "truth serum" period and surfacing memories of violations to them as young individuals are staggering. Syena: Yes...memories do come up to be healed. It happened to me, but the sorting out process, the healing process was included with the memory. ***Of course, part of that "grand innate self reintegration process." Wim: Better to start helping out in that field, if it concerns you so much, Syena: It doesn't....just because I am aware of something does not mean it concerns me. ***Hey there Syena, if it does not concern you, why having any "RE: Re: Kundalini....ponderings." at all. What use is it, just sitting there and ponder while criticizing a Kundalini crowd the way you did in a previous post: Syena: Today people say 'Kundalini! Kundalini! My Kundalini has risen! There are even whole lists devoted to it, and many charletons out there who use peoples ignorance to better the pocket book and ego. In truth, most 'kundalini awakenings' are mere experiences that are mere 'path clearers' for a greater moment to come. In America, you are nobody if you don't have two cars and a risen kundalini! This is nonsense. Another nonsense is the notion that you can focus on 'your kundalini and chakras' and make Her rise, as if she were an insentient form of electricity. Foolish people! Kundalini rises when mind becomes still, Kundalini IS the true form of knowledge/power, She is not some 'other' that the mind can manipulate. There is no other to begin with. The mind trying to raise kundalini is like the thumb trying to tell the head what to do, it is so much silliness. Wim: Whoever urged you to bring this up the way you did, with a choice of words that does not seem yours, quite likely that person does not have a clean slate. Syena: You've lost me again. The words were definitely mine. ***I'm referring to what you wrote in another post (which I quote below), which was a very confused paragraph Syena: I posted this because it is another point of view which comes from *someone I respect deeply*. I do not necessarily agree with all of it...any of it...and maybe I agree with it all. That is not why I posted it and it really doesn't matter. Wim: Derision does not do any good, help in that field, that is needed. I have done it, I'm doing it... Syena: Derision? Where does this come from? My compassion may not appear in my words...or you may not be aware of my compassion because you do not know me or do not look for it. *** The words that you used: "charletons (sic) In America", "you are nobody if you don't have two cars and a risen kundalini!", "This is nonsense.", "Foolish people!", "...it is so much silliness." are expressions of derision (dictionary: the use of ridicule or scorn to show contempt), you ARE ridiculing people, while you actually don't know what is going on with them... Oh true there is the trendy thing etc, etc... but that requires your loving kindness and compassion, not this reaction. Wim: What happens happens.... If things could have been done more appropriate, they would have been done more appropriate. Seeing that things are as they are, they apparently have to be that way.... Syena: A compassionate avoidance cop-out as far as I'm concerned. ***My words could also have had an enlightening effect on you... Well, if they could have, they would have... Are you sure that I meant, what you understood? Syena: So...let's all just throw up our hands and let everything just BE. Who needs to concern or involve...or Do...or..prevent...or...try... or...succeed...or fail...or change..or help...or experience or grow. ***So you are concerned then...? You are going to do something then, not just ponder? Syena: In a Bhudda (sic) like consciousness this is true... ***That is the only reality. Buddha life, awakened life, is for real! Syena: but not in the waking state where most of us live most of the time. ***"Waking state" ? That is not an "awake" state at all. Your state: "where most of us live most of the time" is a state of mental confusion, that is not for real! Syena: Talking with those who have been there. A state of bliss when compared to the DSM IV looks a lot like mania for example. ***Looks like... but is not... Syena: Psychiatry in a very real sense considers altered states to be a disorder. ***A state of bliss is not an altered state, let alone a disorder. Do you really know what you are talking about here? Have you reached a steady state of bliss, a steady state of unconditional love, unconditional being? If you haven't, do not argue or conceptualize about it, that will merely prevent you from reclaiming it. Could it be that your ponderings are holding you back? I mean this well Syena... Syena: This is partly what I meant by stable consciousness. ***It is actually not at all about consciousness, it is about BEING, realizing one's Self. Syena: The whole of it though must include an intense look at the self... a willingness to let go of the ego...and a desire to heal and express the emotions and crap....it really is a very holistic process.... Wim: There, that's more like it, Syena. Syena: More like WHAT? ***You are slow, gosh... I also explained that WHAT in the paragraph that followed... Wim: Those emotions and crap is the very thing you have been tempted to ridicule. So when you see people expressing the "crap", see it for what it is, not something to throw back at them. Syena: If you go back and re-read my posts (there are not many:) I think you might have a clearer picture of my feelings around expressing emotions...and dealing with crap. Saying what I think... ***Ah, there we have it... the "think" part. The kind of thinking that you express, has nothing to do with the realization you seem to be after... Your kind of thinking in fact leads away from reality and realization. Even worse, saying what you think this way, does not get rid of thoughts, it will merely regurgitate those thoughts and throws them into the wind which... blows them back at you. (This is classified here as "Tony Syndrome.") You meditated for many hours, you said, and you still believe these kind of thoughts to be worth having? You still take them so seriously that you call them ponderings ? While they are actually no more than criticisms, that have very little to do with loving kindness, compassion and understanding. Syena: I take no offense...welcome buttons being pushed... *** I am very pleased that I could oblige. Syena: I encourage everyone to do the same. "throwing back" may also be seen as a mirror.... *** that mirror is by now a tired metaphor that you can stare yourself blind at. Syena: ....if one sees the compassion behind the words. *** "Be therefore compassionate first," (Jesus said) then your derisive words and impeding thoughts will disappear...and reality is there for the taking. Syena: And hey...you are that too. *** I object to being a mirror for you, I am just simply Wim... Too bad we cannot see each other, touch, smell, taste, hear... but then, we have these cyber extensions of our senses... so yes, cyber hugs... Hugs...Syena. Love, Wim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2001 Report Share Posted July 28, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > Syena: > You have thrown a term of reference in here that means something to > you. Defines in your mind what you mean. The term means something > else to me... and so does the word judgment. > > ***That being so, what do you do with it? Just let my statement sit there? > Come on, Syena, work those brain cells... Do you not want to figure out > more than what you are comfortable with? Wim...you are a piece of work. And you use a scattergun approach that is really amusing. You pick and nit with the best of em. Nothing just sat there....I said something that you responded to. Quite simple really. I find a direct approach more enlightening than "using my brain cells" trying to sort you out. If you said something that shifted me in any way...my brain would respond quite nicely. I also find you bordering on demeaning responses yourself, for one who criticizes me for that. What is reality? And > what does that mean to you? Becoming conscious? Being aware of the > delusion? The illusion? Being your true self? etc. > > ***Reality is 'what is'. Anything that 'is not' is conceptual. That works...and the rest I know...I just needed to understand what you knew in order to dialogue. I know that what I say may seem to differ from what Ramana Maharshi is > reported to say, I don't study the guy...or know him beyond this forum. I study Muktananda, Nityananda and Krishnamurti, yogananda and Maharisi Sadishiva Isham and Jesus..and some Bhuddism...some Taoism. In particular I am a student/disciple of Kashmir Shaivism. My teacher is Gurubhakti Markandaya. One needs to 'fully and > wholeheartedly', "unquestioned and unconditionally' accept the "nature of > things" sensorially Kinda sorta maybe....yes. One is aware of what that is. .... as objective reality. That means 'directly' with > immediacy, which means: not mentally mediated or circumscribed, or enveloped > in thoughts and judgmental evaluations. I would quibble with this take on 'objective' reality...everyones perceptions and filters are different...and I'm not completely sold that there is an objective reality beyond what is projected/recieved and percieved through our own interaction and consciousness...or the Self that is all there is. The other "without thought or judgment"....is simply accepting what is and an inner awareness. But, within that the mind does evaluate all experience. Tis ongoing. Tis it's job. It's psycho-physical design. "The Self is thus the > only reality, which permeates and also envelops the world." "The self is the one dancing in here and dancing out there..etc" Yes...absolutely. > So through fully sensed objective reality we will realize "subjective > consciousness" and vice versa ad infinitum, "sicut erat in principio et nunc > et semper et in omnia saecula saeculorum". I guess Wim...what you are saying...is expansion/contraction...inner/outer. Consciousness expands as a result of the contrast between the two...in a continuous inch-wormy play....hmm? My latin is a bit rusty...actually non existant...but I do have a friend who speaks it quite fluently...as well as nine other languages..and can run this by him. > An infection that has started to heal is does that by exuding puss. > > Syena: > These things you mention Can be a sign of healing...but not > always. They can simply be a sign that these things are present. > > No, they ARE signs of healing..., always. Gawd...anyway..."always" is a very broad brush. You are entitled to believe what you wish... "Well geez guy...how come you died? All that pussy stuff meant you were healing!! What's the matter with you?" And sure...I know it is a sign of the immune system fighting infection..which is surely a sign of the attempt on a physical level. I was not thinking along the same track you took off on. I'm not even going to go there. A TRUE compassionate being cannot > see it any other way! Well...zappola! I guess you caught me. I'm not a TRUE compassionate. Where can I sign up.. What are the qualifications? Who dispenses the diploma...and decides whether I've passed or failed? Within your presenting 'bigness' you make some pretty narrow statements. > > Wim: > ... Because it (Kundalini) is a self healing and self regeneration > process... > > Syena: > It is shakti generated...shakti healing...in my understanding. > > ***Yes, in Sanskrit terms the Kundalini process uses Shakti as the healing > current of energy, there are so many words for it: prana, holy spirit, > eleuterios. The human being has an innate self healing process for self > reintegration... Kundalini is an oriental expression that stands for that. Geez Wim...do you think you are the only person who KNOWS shit? > > Wim: > You know why we do not have a marketable and accepted truth > serum... In a way Prozac type of medications can function as such. > > Syena: > Prozac is an anti-depressnt. > > ***Prozac is a SSRI... it is classified as an anti-depressant. Yes...I know that...but I'm not familiar with a reference to truth serum. Could you illuminate me as to how you mean this? Anti-depressant: so that the true human being has a chance to emerge... In the vast majority of cases this substance is only used for a time. And I do agree that in a lot of instances.."less is more". Drugs are not the answer. > > Wim: > Being truthful is a side effect of SSRIs. Is that maybe the reason is > why there is so much opposition from camps that can be held > accountable? Are "truth serums" held back by the perpetrators of > suffering? Dare I say..once again..you've lost me. Please explain this conspiracy. > ***Well then, keep up with me... I find it quite refreshing to get to a point rather quickly. Let your brain cells do some work, make > some associations, connections... There you go again...infering my inferiority. lol!! Do you really really need to do this? My dots connect quite well...and I am fairly good at abstract thought. haha..oh gawd. You are priceless... > Somewhere in the recesses of your brain you might know that there is quite > some opposition against the use of Prozac type drugs (SSRIs). And again! The put-downs just keep comin...tehe. Geez...there are oppositions to almost ANYTHING..and EVERYTHING that can be opposed. But yes. I am aware of that. > Syena: > It doesn't....just because I am aware of something does not mean it > concerns me. > > ***Hey there Syena, if it does not concern you, why having any "RE: > Re: Kundalini....ponderings." at all. What use is it, just > sitting there and ponder while criticizing a Kundalini crowd the way you did > in a previous post: Well it sure pushed YOUR buttons....clean out your ears..or eyes...as it were. These were not my words..or thoughts..as I mentioned. And in any case...this is a reflection of SOME...and not ALL. > ***I'm referring to what you wrote in another post (which I quote below), > which was a very confused paragraph Not as confused as ME in THIS exchange right NOW...tehe. Talk about a circle that goes nowhere....lol. It explains to MY satisfaction...and I sure knew what I meant...ah gawd. Screw Kundalini in this moment...this is too funny!! And screw this topic. LOL! > > Syena: > I posted this because it is another point of view which comes from > *someone I respect deeply*. I do not necessarily agree with all of > it...any of it...and maybe I agree with it all. That is not why I > posted it and it really doesn't matter. > > Wim: > Derision does not do any good, help in that field, that is needed. I > have done it, I'm doing it... > > Syena: > Derision? Where does this come from? My compassion may not appear in > my words...or you may not be aware of my compassion because you do > not know me or do not look for it. > > *** The words that you used: "charletons HAHa! Oh my aching sides! Which is it???? Are you on drugs? I did not USE that WORD or any of them...tis not my composition. I only posted it...lol...I give up. Tell you what...I'll give you his e-addy and you can debate this with him. I fold. tehe. But only if I can eavesdrop...LOL Syena: > A compassionate avoidance cop-out as far as I'm concerned. > > ***My words could also have had an enlightening effect on you... Well, if > they could have, they would have... > Are you sure that I meant, what you understood? In this moment I'm CONVINCED that what you meant was not understood by me!! And the reverse is also true... > > Syena: > but not in the waking state where most of us live most of the time. > > ***"Waking state" ? That is not an "awake" state at all. Very misnomered for sure...but it is simply the opposite of having ones eyes closed and sawing logs....ya figure? > Syena: > Talking with those who have been there. A state of bliss when > compared to the DSM IV looks a lot like mania for example. > > ***Looks like... but is not... I know this...and only spoke of the parameters of that profession. Syena: > Psychiatry in a very real sense considers altered states to be a disorder. > > ***A state of bliss is not an altered state, let alone a disorder. Ya figure? Geesh. Do you really know what you are talking about here? Yes...but you don't seem to know what I'm talking about...which makes this a pointless conversation. Have you reached a steady state of bliss, a steady state of unconditional love, unconditional being? Relatively steady...underneath it all there is much joy...and also the experience of unconditional love...sometimes overshadowed by ego- amnesia. But I am always aware of this play even as it happens. I only need pause and still my mind to be there and reside in that awareness and bliss completely. But the experience is mine...and is not open to being analyzed or picked apart. As you probably know, words are very inadequate to even come close to my experience or yours. > Could it be that your ponderings are holding you back? I mean this well > Syena... Ummm. Maybe and maybe not. I am not able to meditate 16 hours and more a day as I am used to. But in this moment my ponderings are necessary contractions...and serve me. This is the most heartfelt and sincere statement you have made. And just so...I shift, from my ego to my heart. Namaste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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