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hello - this issue reminds me of

acceptance

of the "what is" and

where is Paul Cote?

 

there is the maya - the illusion,

okay - i got that -

then there is the "what is" -

and is it by it's nature is it permanent

and stable and unchanging?

 

I connote in meditation the other levels,

but still not to that level where there is

a "what is" which is immutable

and unchanging.

I only get the visions and the movies.

 

to me - the nature of everything

is change - and even

random chaos, and

I have trained myself to

operate according to these

principles, aka "living by my wits".

 

please tell me!

IS THERE some nice stable

"what is" behind the seeming

random chaos and

constant change that

one can aspire to and

eventually relax into?

 

you know i am NOT

just seeking attention!

I have had a past life as

an eminent court musician

if i could i would for certes

serenade you

and i am certain that i have

also been the court fool.

so maybe it is lucky i am here

to ask such foolish questions.

 

Today I understood that

one must accept the "what is"

of "what is" instead of trying

to change

it 's nature - right?

But, what is the nature of the

*beyond* what we are

capable of accepting or changing?

Is there the immutable and

unchanging "what is" back beyond

the horizon awaiting us

somewhere?

or is it ever-changing?

oh please tell me do

if you understand this question?

all my best,

valerie

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My dearest Valerie,

 

You were asking:

What is the "what is"?

 

See if you can wonder...

See that you can wonder...

See that you wonder...

Just wonder !!!

 

See the miracle

.... ... ...

and the questions

becomes a mirage

 

I can tell you

about

what all this is...

 

But,

what I would tell you,

would only be

about

what it is

that all this is.

 

I could tell you,

but I won't,

lest I spoil

your discovery.

 

I could tell you,

but I shan't,

lest I spoil

your joy

discovering.

 

Answer your questions

with your inklings.

The inklings will lead you

to self evidence.

 

You trust you...!

Trust you!

You!

 

The miracle you are

The miracle

 

You are to be trusted...

no question about that now!

Not ever anymore...!

Trust me trust you.

 

I tell you,

you are not only

trust-worthy,

you are trust.

You can trust yourself in that.

 

I can tell from

your questions,

the way you ask.

The way you wonder

will lead you to wonder.

 

The way you already

Discovered,

recovered,

rediscovered,

recognized,

will help you see

the miracle

be the miracle

 

that you already are

that all this already is

 

No worry about time.

You know it already

but re-cognition takes time.

Grant yourself time.

 

When you do grant yourself time,

insight into change arises.

 

No worry about space,

where you are,

No worry about what you are that you are.

Give yourself room

Valerie

Sign a larger v

 

When you do give yourself room,

space to be,

insight into change arises.

 

All by itself, from yourself.

 

There are no... (but don't tell no one;-)

there are to be no questions,

that is questions about

what it is, that anything is...

as

the questions prevent

evidence from showing.

 

Evidence

hides behind the questioning;

halt the questioning and evidence comes forward

 

The way

hides behind the quest;

halt the quest and you have found the way

 

Love,

Wim

 

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Wim,

 

Just to say the love and comfort of your words .... thank you.

 

 

 

 

, "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote:

> My dearest Valerie,

>

> You were asking:

> What is the "what is"?

>

> See if you can wonder...

> See that you can wonder...

> See that you wonder...

> Just wonder !!!

>

> See the miracle

> ... ... ...

> and the questions

> becomes a mirage

>

> I can tell you

> about

> what all this is...

>

> But,

> what I would tell you,

> would only be

> about

> what it is

> that all this is.

>

> I could tell you,

> but I won't,

> lest I spoil

> your discovery.

>

> I could tell you,

> but I shan't,

> lest I spoil

> your joy

> discovering.

>

> Answer your questions

> with your inklings.

> The inklings will lead you

> to self evidence.

>

> You trust you...!

> Trust you!

> You!

>

> The miracle you are

> The miracle

>

> You are to be trusted...

> no question about that now!

> Not ever anymore...!

> Trust me trust you.

>

> I tell you,

> you are not only

> trust-worthy,

> you are trust.

> You can trust yourself in that.

>

> I can tell from

> your questions,

> the way you ask.

> The way you wonder

> will lead you to wonder.

>

> The way you already

> Discovered,

> recovered,

> rediscovered,

> recognized,

> will help you see

> the miracle

> be the miracle

>

> that you already are

> that all this already is

>

> No worry about time.

> You know it already

> but re-cognition takes time.

> Grant yourself time.

>

> When you do grant yourself time,

> insight into change arises.

>

> No worry about space,

> where you are,

> No worry about what you are that you are.

> Give yourself room

> Valerie

> Sign a larger v

>

> When you do give yourself room,

> space to be,

> insight into change arises.

>

> All by itself, from yourself.

>

> There are no... (but don't tell no one;-)

> there are to be no questions,

> that is questions about

> what it is, that anything is...

> as

> the questions prevent

> evidence from showing.

>

> Evidence

> hides behind the questioning;

> halt the questioning and evidence comes forward

>

> The way

> hides behind the quest;

> halt the quest and you have found the way

>

> Love,

> Wim

>

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Wim Borsboom wrote:

My dearest Valerie,

You were asking:

What is the "what is"?

See if you can wonder...

See that you can wonder...

See that you wonder...

Just wonder !!!

<expedient snip>

Evidence

hides behind the questioning;

halt the questioning and evidence comes forward

The way

hides behind the quest;

halt the quest and you have found the way

Love,

Wim

and so, dear Wim -

are you saying that the questioning mind uses the part of the brain

which hides itself from the answer?

love agape,

valerie

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Hi Valerie,

>snip<

>I connote in meditation the other levels,

>but still not to that level where there is

>a "what is" which is immutable

>and unchanging.

>I only get the visions and the movies.

>

>to me - the nature of everything

>is change - and even

>random chaos, and

>I have trained myself to

>operate according to these

>principles, aka "living by my wits".

>

>please tell me!

>IS THERE some nice stable

>"what is" behind the seeming

>random chaos and

>constant change that

>one can aspire to and

>eventually relax into?

>snip<

>

>Today I understood that

>one must accept the "what is"

>of "what is" instead of trying

>to change

>it 's nature - right?

>But, what is the nature of the

>*beyond* what we are

>capable of accepting or changing?

>Is there the immutable and

>unchanging "what is" back beyond

>the horizon awaiting us

>somewhere?

 

When you go within and find what you most truly are - and BE what you are -

you will know Atman, God Immanent, spirit in you. And you will know that

you are that.

 

After that, whatever happens in life, whatever troubles and sorrows come,

they will be like storms on the ocean... you will know that you are really

all right, that the storms can't hurt you, because way down under the ocean

there's a great rock, and you are the rock. The worst hurricane is really

only on the surface of the water - but you are the rock.

 

There is great stability in that, I think, but perhaps not what you meant.

 

And then there is Brahman, the Godhead, the All... but that is not some

stable level you can find. The levels are all part of this manifested

world - the All is the root of the world, the ground of being from which

the world arises at each instant. No level... no place... there is

nothing there - nothing in particular - but everything in potential. When

you go into the All, you will not cease to exist.. there will be nothing

but you... you will be All.

 

That is not always a stabilizing experience. After that, the world is not

the same. And that can be de-stabilizing, I would say, at least in the

short run. It takes some getting used to, for some of us at least, some

work and time to get back to something like normal life. But if you are

after the truth, then go for it. :)

 

You are right, the nature of this world is change. There is no stable

something that will change that. But when you know that you are the rock,

then the stability is within you. When you know that you are Spirit, then

you know that even the death of the body can't hurt you.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Valerie,

>>Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence

>>comes forward

>>The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way

>>Love, Wim

>

> and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind uses the part

>of the brain which hides itself from the answer?

 

Or, if you are busy in the questioning mind, you are in the wrong part of

the brain to find the answer. :)

 

Love,

Dharma

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Dear Valerie,I wrote:> > Evidence hides behind the questioning; > >

halt the questioning and evidence comes forward. > > The way hides

behind the quest; > > halt the quest and you have found the

way.Valerie is asking:>...are you saying that the questioning mind

uses> the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer?What

I'm saying is, that there is a message stored in the brain that

says,"whatever is evidently sensed with all 5 senses is not to be

taken at face value." An unfriendly person, while you were under his

or her control and under stress,implanted a "sentence" (engram) that

from then on accompanied whateveryou perceived or will perceive,

whatever you remember or will rememberto always go with the comment

that it is to be questioned. That sentence can be gotten rid of.Just

seeing and accepting that such may be the case, is the first step

towards freeing oneself from that sentence.Those sentences can have

the characteristics of spells, curses, judgements, criticisms.Love,

Wim

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Yep, my dear Dharma and Valerie,

 

Valerie wrote:

> > and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind

> > uses the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer?

 

Dharma answered:

> Or, if you are busy in the questioning mind, you are in the wrong part of

> the brain to find the answer. :)

 

So true, Dharma.

 

Unfortunately, the questioning mind too often replaces our ability to "just

wonder", to perceive the miracle.

Questioning is an acquired behaviour, most often pressed upon us by parents,

siblings, peers, society or the control games of oppressors. Although

socially "questioning" is very much an admired, stimulated and recommended

personality trait, spiritually habitual (and often compulsive) questioning

leads the human away from perceiving truth directly and first hand. Direct

and "immediate" perception of truth (in-mediate...not mediated by social

expectations, rules and judgments) gets replaced by control and belief

systems.

Naive (in the positive meaning of the word) and unadulterated perception

(wonder), is innate in the human, but too often hidden away and not easily

available or shied away from.

"Coming to one's senses" is the first step to regaining our original ability

to "live in awe" again.

Awe and pure awareness are synonymous.

Be awe inspired again...

Be aware (not beware)

 

In Dutch "aware" is "gewaar", "waar" means "truthful". The English

word

"worth" is "waardevol" or "filled with truth."

So an aware and awe inspired being is a worthy being, a being whose "way of

life is truth"

 

Love, Wim

 

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There are no... (but don't tell no one;-)

there are to be no questions,

that is questions about

what it is, that anything is...

as

the questions prevent

evidence from showing.

Evidence

hides behind the questioning;

halt the questioning and evidence comes forward

The way

hides behind the quest;

halt the quest and you have found the way

This is all very beautifully put Wim.... :) Love it, Love you, Love Lynette

__Loving Embraces__

__Lynette __

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>>Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence

>>comes forward

>>The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way

>>Love, Wim

>

> and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind uses the part

>of the brain which hides itself from the answer?

I have found most often.... That I answer my own questions within the

questions.... And all it takes is for me to reread my question, and

Oops there it is..... LOL... but it is oftentimes subtle and

tricky.... because we are too caught up in the question to seek

effectively the answer

__Loving Embraces__

__Lynette __

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Hi Wim,

>Valerie wrote:

>> > and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind

>> > uses the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer?

>

>Dharma answered:

>> Or, if you are busy in the questioning mind, you are in the wrong part of

>> the brain to find the answer. :)

>

>So true, Dharma.

>

>Unfortunately, the questioning mind too often replaces our ability to "just

>wonder", to perceive the miracle.

 

Yes, the wonder of the baby seeing the things of the world for the first

time. When I took my first baby out in the stroller for the first time, I

saw that look... she was staring up past me in open-mouthed, ecstatic

wonder. I turned to follow her gaze - she was looking at the leafy tree

branches overhead. And I saw them as if for the first time - and realized

I had forgotten about looking at things that way. A great treasure that

was lost and found again - and I haven't forgotten again. I take time to

look - it does mean not rushing, not thinking of anything else, just

opening your eyes and your heart and soul to the flower or tree you're

looking at.

>Questioning is an acquired behaviour, most often pressed upon us by parents,

>siblings, peers, society or the control games of oppressors. Although

>snip<

 

I didn't mean the act of questioning per se. What I meant was, if you're

busy in the intellect - thinking, thinking, thinking - you're in the wrong

part of the brain to find the kind of answers we're talking about. All you

can find is intellectual answers - and that ain't it! :)

 

Actually, some questioning - like Ramana's - is designed to lead away from

the intellect, cut through the intellect. Rather like meditating on a Zen

koan - a question that's inherently self-contradictory, impossible to

answer with intellect - something doesn't quite come together in the

intellect, and with luck and grace you may fall through the cracks and into

the All. :)

>In Dutch "aware" is "gewaar", "waar" means "truthful". The English

word

>"worth" is "waardevol" or "filled with truth."

>So an aware and awe inspired being is a worthy being, a being whose "way of

>life is truth"

 

Very interesting - thanks! :)

 

Love,

Dharma

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