Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 hello - this issue reminds me of acceptance of the "what is" and where is Paul Cote? there is the maya - the illusion, okay - i got that - then there is the "what is" - and is it by it's nature is it permanent and stable and unchanging? I connote in meditation the other levels, but still not to that level where there is a "what is" which is immutable and unchanging. I only get the visions and the movies. to me - the nature of everything is change - and even random chaos, and I have trained myself to operate according to these principles, aka "living by my wits". please tell me! IS THERE some nice stable "what is" behind the seeming random chaos and constant change that one can aspire to and eventually relax into? you know i am NOT just seeking attention! I have had a past life as an eminent court musician if i could i would for certes serenade you and i am certain that i have also been the court fool. so maybe it is lucky i am here to ask such foolish questions. Today I understood that one must accept the "what is" of "what is" instead of trying to change it 's nature - right? But, what is the nature of the *beyond* what we are capable of accepting or changing? Is there the immutable and unchanging "what is" back beyond the horizon awaiting us somewhere? or is it ever-changing? oh please tell me do if you understand this question? all my best, valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 My dearest Valerie, You were asking: What is the "what is"? See if you can wonder... See that you can wonder... See that you wonder... Just wonder !!! See the miracle .... ... ... and the questions becomes a mirage I can tell you about what all this is... But, what I would tell you, would only be about what it is that all this is. I could tell you, but I won't, lest I spoil your discovery. I could tell you, but I shan't, lest I spoil your joy discovering. Answer your questions with your inklings. The inklings will lead you to self evidence. You trust you...! Trust you! You! The miracle you are The miracle You are to be trusted... no question about that now! Not ever anymore...! Trust me trust you. I tell you, you are not only trust-worthy, you are trust. You can trust yourself in that. I can tell from your questions, the way you ask. The way you wonder will lead you to wonder. The way you already Discovered, recovered, rediscovered, recognized, will help you see the miracle be the miracle that you already are that all this already is No worry about time. You know it already but re-cognition takes time. Grant yourself time. When you do grant yourself time, insight into change arises. No worry about space, where you are, No worry about what you are that you are. Give yourself room Valerie Sign a larger v When you do give yourself room, space to be, insight into change arises. All by itself, from yourself. There are no... (but don't tell no one;-) there are to be no questions, that is questions about what it is, that anything is... as the questions prevent evidence from showing. Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence comes forward The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release 7/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 Wim, Just to say the love and comfort of your words .... thank you. , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > My dearest Valerie, > > You were asking: > What is the "what is"? > > See if you can wonder... > See that you can wonder... > See that you wonder... > Just wonder !!! > > See the miracle > ... ... ... > and the questions > becomes a mirage > > I can tell you > about > what all this is... > > But, > what I would tell you, > would only be > about > what it is > that all this is. > > I could tell you, > but I won't, > lest I spoil > your discovery. > > I could tell you, > but I shan't, > lest I spoil > your joy > discovering. > > Answer your questions > with your inklings. > The inklings will lead you > to self evidence. > > You trust you...! > Trust you! > You! > > The miracle you are > The miracle > > You are to be trusted... > no question about that now! > Not ever anymore...! > Trust me trust you. > > I tell you, > you are not only > trust-worthy, > you are trust. > You can trust yourself in that. > > I can tell from > your questions, > the way you ask. > The way you wonder > will lead you to wonder. > > The way you already > Discovered, > recovered, > rediscovered, > recognized, > will help you see > the miracle > be the miracle > > that you already are > that all this already is > > No worry about time. > You know it already > but re-cognition takes time. > Grant yourself time. > > When you do grant yourself time, > insight into change arises. > > No worry about space, > where you are, > No worry about what you are that you are. > Give yourself room > Valerie > Sign a larger v > > When you do give yourself room, > space to be, > insight into change arises. > > All by itself, from yourself. > > There are no... (but don't tell no one;-) > there are to be no questions, > that is questions about > what it is, that anything is... > as > the questions prevent > evidence from showing. > > Evidence > hides behind the questioning; > halt the questioning and evidence comes forward > > The way > hides behind the quest; > halt the quest and you have found the way > > Love, > Wim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 Wim Borsboom wrote: My dearest Valerie, You were asking: What is the "what is"? See if you can wonder... See that you can wonder... See that you wonder... Just wonder !!! <expedient snip> Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence comes forward The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way Love, Wim and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind uses the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer? love agape, valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 Hi Valerie, >snip< >I connote in meditation the other levels, >but still not to that level where there is >a "what is" which is immutable >and unchanging. >I only get the visions and the movies. > >to me - the nature of everything >is change - and even >random chaos, and >I have trained myself to >operate according to these >principles, aka "living by my wits". > >please tell me! >IS THERE some nice stable >"what is" behind the seeming >random chaos and >constant change that >one can aspire to and >eventually relax into? >snip< > >Today I understood that >one must accept the "what is" >of "what is" instead of trying >to change >it 's nature - right? >But, what is the nature of the >*beyond* what we are >capable of accepting or changing? >Is there the immutable and >unchanging "what is" back beyond >the horizon awaiting us >somewhere? When you go within and find what you most truly are - and BE what you are - you will know Atman, God Immanent, spirit in you. And you will know that you are that. After that, whatever happens in life, whatever troubles and sorrows come, they will be like storms on the ocean... you will know that you are really all right, that the storms can't hurt you, because way down under the ocean there's a great rock, and you are the rock. The worst hurricane is really only on the surface of the water - but you are the rock. There is great stability in that, I think, but perhaps not what you meant. And then there is Brahman, the Godhead, the All... but that is not some stable level you can find. The levels are all part of this manifested world - the All is the root of the world, the ground of being from which the world arises at each instant. No level... no place... there is nothing there - nothing in particular - but everything in potential. When you go into the All, you will not cease to exist.. there will be nothing but you... you will be All. That is not always a stabilizing experience. After that, the world is not the same. And that can be de-stabilizing, I would say, at least in the short run. It takes some getting used to, for some of us at least, some work and time to get back to something like normal life. But if you are after the truth, then go for it. You are right, the nature of this world is change. There is no stable something that will change that. But when you know that you are the rock, then the stability is within you. When you know that you are Spirit, then you know that even the death of the body can't hurt you. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 Hi Valerie, >>Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence >>comes forward >>The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way >>Love, Wim > > and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind uses the part >of the brain which hides itself from the answer? Or, if you are busy in the questioning mind, you are in the wrong part of the brain to find the answer. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 Dear Valerie,I wrote:> > Evidence hides behind the questioning; > > halt the questioning and evidence comes forward. > > The way hides behind the quest; > > halt the quest and you have found the way.Valerie is asking:>...are you saying that the questioning mind uses> the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer?What I'm saying is, that there is a message stored in the brain that says,"whatever is evidently sensed with all 5 senses is not to be taken at face value." An unfriendly person, while you were under his or her control and under stress,implanted a "sentence" (engram) that from then on accompanied whateveryou perceived or will perceive, whatever you remember or will rememberto always go with the comment that it is to be questioned. That sentence can be gotten rid of.Just seeing and accepting that such may be the case, is the first step towards freeing oneself from that sentence.Those sentences can have the characteristics of spells, curses, judgements, criticisms.Love, Wim Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release 7/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 Yep, my dear Dharma and Valerie, Valerie wrote: > > and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind > > uses the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer? Dharma answered: > Or, if you are busy in the questioning mind, you are in the wrong part of > the brain to find the answer. So true, Dharma. Unfortunately, the questioning mind too often replaces our ability to "just wonder", to perceive the miracle. Questioning is an acquired behaviour, most often pressed upon us by parents, siblings, peers, society or the control games of oppressors. Although socially "questioning" is very much an admired, stimulated and recommended personality trait, spiritually habitual (and often compulsive) questioning leads the human away from perceiving truth directly and first hand. Direct and "immediate" perception of truth (in-mediate...not mediated by social expectations, rules and judgments) gets replaced by control and belief systems. Naive (in the positive meaning of the word) and unadulterated perception (wonder), is innate in the human, but too often hidden away and not easily available or shied away from. "Coming to one's senses" is the first step to regaining our original ability to "live in awe" again. Awe and pure awareness are synonymous. Be awe inspired again... Be aware (not beware) In Dutch "aware" is "gewaar", "waar" means "truthful". The English word "worth" is "waardevol" or "filled with truth." So an aware and awe inspired being is a worthy being, a being whose "way of life is truth" Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release 7/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 There are no... (but don't tell no one;-) there are to be no questions, that is questions about what it is, that anything is... as the questions prevent evidence from showing. Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence comes forward The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way This is all very beautifully put Wim.... Love it, Love you, Love Lynette __Loving Embraces__ __Lynette __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 >>Evidence hides behind the questioning; halt the questioning and evidence >>comes forward >>The way hides behind the quest; halt the quest and you have found the way >>Love, Wim > > and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind uses the part >of the brain which hides itself from the answer? I have found most often.... That I answer my own questions within the questions.... And all it takes is for me to reread my question, and Oops there it is..... LOL... but it is oftentimes subtle and tricky.... because we are too caught up in the question to seek effectively the answer __Loving Embraces__ __Lynette __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 Hi Wim, >Valerie wrote: >> > and so, dear Wim - are you saying that the questioning mind >> > uses the part of the brain which hides itself from the answer? > >Dharma answered: >> Or, if you are busy in the questioning mind, you are in the wrong part of >> the brain to find the answer. > >So true, Dharma. > >Unfortunately, the questioning mind too often replaces our ability to "just >wonder", to perceive the miracle. Yes, the wonder of the baby seeing the things of the world for the first time. When I took my first baby out in the stroller for the first time, I saw that look... she was staring up past me in open-mouthed, ecstatic wonder. I turned to follow her gaze - she was looking at the leafy tree branches overhead. And I saw them as if for the first time - and realized I had forgotten about looking at things that way. A great treasure that was lost and found again - and I haven't forgotten again. I take time to look - it does mean not rushing, not thinking of anything else, just opening your eyes and your heart and soul to the flower or tree you're looking at. >Questioning is an acquired behaviour, most often pressed upon us by parents, >siblings, peers, society or the control games of oppressors. Although >snip< I didn't mean the act of questioning per se. What I meant was, if you're busy in the intellect - thinking, thinking, thinking - you're in the wrong part of the brain to find the kind of answers we're talking about. All you can find is intellectual answers - and that ain't it! Actually, some questioning - like Ramana's - is designed to lead away from the intellect, cut through the intellect. Rather like meditating on a Zen koan - a question that's inherently self-contradictory, impossible to answer with intellect - something doesn't quite come together in the intellect, and with luck and grace you may fall through the cracks and into the All. >In Dutch "aware" is "gewaar", "waar" means "truthful". The English word >"worth" is "waardevol" or "filled with truth." >So an aware and awe inspired being is a worthy being, a being whose "way of >life is truth" Very interesting - thanks! Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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