3 Theories of 'creation'

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Namaste All,

 

According to Ramana there are three theories of creation.

 

1. A God created it.

 

2. It arises as one perceives it.

 

3. It never happened at all.

 

 

There you have the stages or paths of the devotee seeking moksha. Very

simply to my mind, if something is universally conscious there can be

no creation for what looks at what? For any perception to occur there

must be non universal consciousness in some form.

 

Sankara said it is real whilst one is in it. So yes I feel love and

emotions etc but now I am aware of what they are and I observe the

sensation arising and sometimes let it pass so no action arises.

 

Action or Rajas is creating, the potential energy is disturbed and

creation arises. Without a vibration or a thought stuff there is no

creation. Therefore it is all unreal, energy goddess whatever.

 

Nirvana means stop blowing or moving. Nirguna!!

 

I don't need to read the sages to understand that, and only I know

what I have experienced or realised. We all experience the

extinguishing of the goddess and creation in deep sleep, therfore it

is unreal.

 

All the dimensions of physical and subtle are finer or thicker forms

of the same energy or thought stuff, hence also unreal. Whilst we are

in it we experience it for we are part of it. Once we realise we

aren't individual all individualims disappears and so does creation.

 

IMO.......ONS......Tony.

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, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> There you have the stages or paths of the devotee seeking moksha.

> Very simply to my mind, if something is universally conscious there

> can be no creation for what looks at what? For any perception to

> occur there must be non universal consciousness in some form.

 

Yes, that makes logical sense. However, since there is no "non

universal consciousness" -- yet perception occurs anyway -- the

logical answer is 'incorrect'.

 

If unprepared for paradox, stay away from the 'nondual teachings' --

paradox arises often. If the mind can't deal with it (leave it

alone), don't mess with the teachings. There are no answers to

questions... only an ending to the cycle of questions and answers.

> Nirvana means stop blowing or moving. Nirguna!!

 

To thought, Reality is Nirguna. "Nirguna" might as well be

translated as "unknown." Better than the usual translation

of "nothing" -- which can be (and sometimes is) badly misinterpreted

as "dry, sterile, empty."