Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 Wonderful, thanks Vicky! On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:35:19 +0200 "Viorica Weissman" <viorica (AT) zahav (DOT) net.il> writes: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SELF-ENQUIRY - Misconceptions David Godman - from Be As You Are ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sri Ramana Maharshi's philosophical pronouncements were very similar to those upheld by the followers of Advaita[non-dualistic] Vedanta, an Indian philosophical school which has flourished for well over a thousand years. Sri Ramana Maharshi and the Advaitins agree on most theoretical matters but their attitudes to practice are radically different. While Sri Ramana Maharshi advocated self-enquiry, most advaitic teachers recommended a system of meditation which mentally affirmed that the Self was the only reality. These affirmations such as 'I am Brahman' or 'I am He', are usually used as mantras, or, more rarely, one meditates on their meaning and tries to experience the implications of the statement Because self-enquiry often starts with the question 'Who am I', many of the traditional followers of Advaita assumed that the answer to the question was 'I am Brahman' and they occupied their minds with repetitions of this mental solution. Sri Ramana Maharshi criticised this approach by saying that while the mind was constantly engaged in finding or repeating solutions to the question it would never sink into its source and disappear. He was equally critical, for the same reason, of those who tried to use 'Who am I?' as a mantra, saying that both approaches missed the point of self-enquiry. The question 'Who am I?', he said, is not an invitation to analyse the mind and to come to conclusions about its nature, nor is it a mantric formula, it is simply a tool which facilitates redirecting attention from the objects of thought and perception to the thinker and perceiver of them. In Sri Ramana Maharshi's opinion, the solution to the question 'Who am I?' is not to be found in or by the mind since the only real answer is the experience of the absence of mind. Another widespread misunderstanding arose from the belief that the Self could be discovered by mentally rejecting all the objects of thought and perception as not-self. Traditionally this is called the Neti-Neti approach [not this, not this]. The practitioner of this system verbally rejects all the objects that the 'I' identifies with -'I am not the mind', ' I am not the body', etc.-in the expectation that the real 'I' will eventually be experienced in the pure uncontaminated form. Hinduism calls this practice 'self-enquiry' and, because of the identity of names, it was often confused with Sri Ramana Maharshi's method. Sri Ramana Maharshi's attitude to this traditional system of self-analysis was wholly negative and he discouraged his own followers from practising it by telling them that it was an intellectual activity which could not take them beyond the mind. In his standard reply to questions about the effectiveness of this practice he would say that the 'I'-thought is sustained by such acts of discrimination and that the 'I' which eliminates the body and the mind as 'not I' can never eliminate itself. The followers of the 'I am Brahman' and 'Neti-Neti' schools share a common belief that the Self can be discovered by the mind, either through affirmation or negation. This belief that the mind can, by its own activities, reach the Self is the root of most of the misconceptions about the practice of self-enquiry. A classic example of this is the belief that self-enquiry involves concentrating on a particular centre in the body called the Heart-centre.This widely held view results from a misinterpretation of some of Sri Ramana Maharshi's statements on the Heart, and to understand how this belief has come about it will be necessary to take a closer look at some of his ideas on the subject. In describing the origin of the 'I'-thought he sometimes said that it arose to the brain through a channel which started from a centre in the right hand side of the chest. He called this centre the Heart centre and said that when the 'I'-thought subsided into the Self it went back into the centre and disappeared. He also said that when the Self is consciously experienced, there is a tangible awareness that this centre is the source of both the mind and the world. However, these statements are not strictly true and Sri Ramana Maharshi sometimes qualified them by saying that they were only schematic representations which were given to those people who persisted in identifying with their bodies. He said that the Heart is not really located in the body and that from the highest standpoint it is equally untrue to say that the 'I'-thought arises and subsides into this centre on the right of the chest. Because Sri Ramana Maharshi often said 'Find the place where the "I" arises' or 'Find the source of the mind', many people interpreted these statements to mean that they should concentrate in this particular centre while doing self-enquiry. Sri Ramana Maharshi rejected this interpretation many times by saying that the source of the mind or the 'I' could only be discovered through attention to the 'I'-thought and not through concentration on a particular part of the body. He did sometimes say that putting attention on this centre is a good concentration practice, but he never associated it with self-enquiry. He also occasionally said that meditation on the Heart was an effective way of reaching the Self, but again, he never said that this should be done by concentrating on the Heart- centre. Instead he said that one should meditate on the Heart 'as it is'. The Heart 'as it is' is not a location, it is the immanent Self and one can only be aware of its real nature by being it. It cannot be reached by concentration. Although there are several potentially ambiguous comments of this kind about the Heart and the Heart-centre, in all his writings and recorded conversations there is not a single statement to support the contention that self-enquiry is to be practised by concentrating on this centre. In fact, by closely examining his statements on the subject one can only conclude that while the experience of the Self contains an awareness of this centre, concentration on this centre will not result in the experience of the Self. /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 Dear Vicky, A very big thank you for this post, Love, Wim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SELF-ENQUIRY - Misconceptions David Godman - from Be As You Are ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release 7/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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