Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Share Posted August 6, 2001 Namaste All, There is Nirguna or Nirvana! Inexplicabley there is an appearance caused by thought, which we call creation. Stop thought and we stop creation. We are left with Nirguna Nirvana. I am at a place now where I mostly concentrate on 'Who am I?'. However this is not an expession it is sourcing the emotions and vibrations. That way one finds out that one is just composed of these rising vibrations causing sensations and then feelings/actions. There is no 'I', there is no 'I, I'. There is no difference between Ramana and Buddha at this system. The Buddha taught one to observe the breath and then the rising sensations and become detached from them. Ramana's system goes to the same place. Finding we are just vibrations no ego, and then beyond. Enjoyment relies on the senses and the senses are what keep us in bondage, pleasant or unpleasant. We have to detach from the opposites of joy and grief or the senses. Compassion is not sentiment! but a realisation of another beings delusion and pain caused by ignorance. Again I am not a nihilist or kill joy, I am trying to be aware of what I really am or am not. If I wished to get involved in energy, I would become a bhakti again. But bhakti is intense love and complete detachment from everything but the' beloved', until there is no separation no ego left. At this stage one then realises the same as the jnani, different route that's all. Om Namah Sivaya.....Tony.IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 Tony wrote [[There is no 'I', ..]] ** Hamsa .. I am That. Soham .. That is I. Om Santi ... Yogini Sakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 , hamsayogini@a... wrote: > Tony wrote [[There is no 'I', ..]] > ** Hamsa .. I am That. Soham .. That is I. > > Om Santi ... > Yogini Sakti Namaste Yogini, The 'I' you are mentioning is Saguna Brahman. That I is also ultimately unreal for only Nirguna or Nirvana is truth....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 Dear Tony & Hamsa, In the expression of your particular beliefs, please remain aware that this Satsangha welcomes people with a variety of beliefs. It is important to respect this diversity. For the benefit of others here, you might identify the particular religion with which you identify, or perhaps be a bit less dogmatic in your means of expression. If you personalize with stories of how or why any particular belief became meaningful to you, that is fine. Just dueling belief systems is not quite the intent of the spirit of the Sangha. It is possible to share one's truth, even what may be considered an ultimate truth, without doing so in an oppositional manner. Please keep this in mind in future posts. Most of the list is already familiar with a variety of religious perspectives, and has or can read original sources. Thank you, Gloria - Tony O'Clery Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:40 AM Re: So simple yet so difficult? , hamsayogini@a... wrote:> Tony wrote [[There is no 'I', ..]]> ** Hamsa .. I am That. Soham .. That is I.> > Om Santi ...> Yogini SaktiNamaste Yogini,The 'I' you are mentioning is Saguna Brahman. That I is also ultimately unreal for only Nirguna or Nirvana is truth....ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 , "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote: > Dear Tony & Hamsa, > > In the expression of your particular beliefs, please remain aware that this Satsangha welcomes people with a variety of beliefs. It is important to respect this diversity. For the benefit of others here, you might identify the particular religion with which you identify, or perhaps be a bit less dogmatic in your means of expression. If you personalize with stories of how or why any particular belief became meaningful to you, that is fine. Just dueling belief systems is not quite the intent of the spirit of the Sangha. > > It is possible to share one's truth, even what may be considered an ultimate truth, without doing so in an oppositional manner. Please keep this in mind in future posts. Most of the list is already familiar with a variety of religious perspectives, and has or can read original sources. > > Thank you, > Gloria Namaste Glo,?????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????!! I see no duelling only an explanation of my previous statement, on which 'I', i meant. The I of the ego or the I of the Saguna/Goddess, both of which are unreal. It is a little paranoid of you to imagine that there is duelling going on!! I have no religion and never intend to have one. Religion is a crutch but a crutch is handy if you need one. I have no belief systen either!! The only system I follow is finding the source of my own illusory ego. Who am I? would describe my religion. My method of meditation is the Buddha's vipassana..... Does the operator of a particle accelerator have a religion, when he reduces matter to particle/waves which in themselves are further reduced. Kowing this by machine he realises that all forms are unstable and forever changing, but as his mind didn't experience it he still is in bondage. ...ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 Yes Tony .. I know the I. Om Santi ... Yogini Sakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 , hamsayogini@a... wrote: > Yes Tony .. I know the I. > > Om Santi ... > Yogini Sakti Namaste Yogini, Fine then for you the Mahat is real.........ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Share Posted August 7, 2001 , "Gloria Lee" <glee@i...> wrote: > Dear Tony & Hamsa, > > In the expression of your particular beliefs, please remain aware that this Satsangha welcomes people with a variety of beliefs. It is important to respect this diversity. For the benefit of others here, you might identify the particular religion with which you identify, or perhaps be a bit less dogmatic in your means of expression. If you personalize with stories of how or why any particular belief became meaningful to you, that is fine. Just dueling belief systems is not quite the intent of the spirit of the Sangha. > > It is possible to share one's truth, even what may be considered an ultimate truth, without doing so in an oppositional manner. Please keep this in mind in future posts. Most of the list is already familiar with a variety of religious perspectives, and has or can read original sources. > > Thank you, > Gloria Namaste Glo, On reflection I think you will see that Yogini was not disagreeing with me at all......Although it is possible there was a misunderstanding....ONS.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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