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Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what

Nisargadatta et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify

with our bodies and minds?

Yes, I've had similar situations and similar responses..... I remember

distinctly though that the reason why there was no fear experienced

was because a calm secure voice inside reassured me that all would be

well... It is as if, in those moments when life and death is a split

moment away..... we can slip into a state of peace.... although I've

had other similar cases where the opposite was the case, and I

struggled deeply with emotional terror... I wonder if perhaps our

attachments play a role here.... and when I was emotional it was

because it involved someone I loved {a child} and the other

situations were not emotionally triggered because there was not that

"life" connection that we define in the illusion... you know

husband/wife/child/mother/father those types of distinctions involved

relationships have more emotional attachments to them, then

neighbors/friends/acquaintances/joe blow down the street/

Interesting topic you brought up... thank you Loving you

Loving me

Love

Lynette

Soul receives from soul that knowledge, therefore not by book

nor from tongue.

If knowledge of mysteries come after emptiness of mind, that is

illumination of heart...........Rumi

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Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I haven't had any

out of body experience.

Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, possibly due to

shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we are

frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are rendered

emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our body.

 

Let me give two examples to explain. [i am not very proud of what happened

in either case!]

I was on a flimsy motorbike on a narrow bridge when I saw coming towards me

a truck and trailer veering from side to side apparently out of control. I

just froze, yet I did not feel any fear or concern for my safety. I had

turned into an indifferent observer!

The same thing happened when I saw a drowning boy in a swimming pool. There

was no danger to me in any action to save that boy. Yet again I turned into

an indifferent observer.

[Luckily in both cases nothing serious happened.]

 

Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what Nisargadatta

et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our bodies and minds?

 

I cannot resist the temptation of quoting from my favorite guru, Nisargadatta:

 

Having seen that you are a bundle of memories held together by attachment,

step out and look from the outside. You may perceive for the first time

something which is not memory. You cease to be Mr-so-and-so, busy about his

own affairs. You are at last at peace. You realize that nothing was ever

wrong with the world, you alone were wrong and now it is all over. Never

again will you be caught in the meshes of desire born of ignorance. (390)

 

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, Jan Sultan <swork@a...> wrote:

> Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I haven't

had any

> out of body experience.

> Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, possibly

due to

> shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we

are

> frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are

rendered

> emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our body.

>

> Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what

Nisargadatta

> et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our

bodies and minds?

 

 

The keyword here is "identification".

 

I would say permanent non-identification with the mind and body comes

out of understanding, knowledge and seeing what the mind and body is

and how it relates to what is permanent.

 

A momentary silence out of shock may simply be caused by a sensory

overload and such a shock certainly doesn't become permanent.

 

Still I have experienced what you mention in connection with near

accidents. Interesting how things will seem in those shocked but

emotionless moments and how correctly the body will behave on reflex

in such situations.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

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