Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what Nisargadatta et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our bodies and minds? Yes, I've had similar situations and similar responses..... I remember distinctly though that the reason why there was no fear experienced was because a calm secure voice inside reassured me that all would be well... It is as if, in those moments when life and death is a split moment away..... we can slip into a state of peace.... although I've had other similar cases where the opposite was the case, and I struggled deeply with emotional terror... I wonder if perhaps our attachments play a role here.... and when I was emotional it was because it involved someone I loved {a child} and the other situations were not emotionally triggered because there was not that "life" connection that we define in the illusion... you know husband/wife/child/mother/father those types of distinctions involved relationships have more emotional attachments to them, then neighbors/friends/acquaintances/joe blow down the street/ Interesting topic you brought up... thank you Loving you Loving me Love Lynette Soul receives from soul that knowledge, therefore not by book nor from tongue. If knowledge of mysteries come after emptiness of mind, that is illumination of heart...........Rumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I haven't had any out of body experience. Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, possibly due to shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we are frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are rendered emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our body. Let me give two examples to explain. [i am not very proud of what happened in either case!] I was on a flimsy motorbike on a narrow bridge when I saw coming towards me a truck and trailer veering from side to side apparently out of control. I just froze, yet I did not feel any fear or concern for my safety. I had turned into an indifferent observer! The same thing happened when I saw a drowning boy in a swimming pool. There was no danger to me in any action to save that boy. Yet again I turned into an indifferent observer. [Luckily in both cases nothing serious happened.] Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what Nisargadatta et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our bodies and minds? I cannot resist the temptation of quoting from my favorite guru, Nisargadatta: Having seen that you are a bundle of memories held together by attachment, step out and look from the outside. You may perceive for the first time something which is not memory. You cease to be Mr-so-and-so, busy about his own affairs. You are at last at peace. You realize that nothing was ever wrong with the world, you alone were wrong and now it is all over. Never again will you be caught in the meshes of desire born of ignorance. (390) ______________________ With Love, Cyber Dervish ```````````````````````````````````````` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 , Jan Sultan <swork@a...> wrote: > Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I haven't had any > out of body experience. > Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, possibly due to > shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we are > frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are rendered > emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our body. > > Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what Nisargadatta > et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our bodies and minds? The keyword here is "identification". I would say permanent non-identification with the mind and body comes out of understanding, knowledge and seeing what the mind and body is and how it relates to what is permanent. A momentary silence out of shock may simply be caused by a sensory overload and such a shock certainly doesn't become permanent. Still I have experienced what you mention in connection with near accidents. Interesting how things will seem in those shocked but emotionless moments and how correctly the body will behave on reflex in such situations. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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