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, Dharma <deva@L...> wrote:

> Hi Tony,

>

> >I would be a little circumspect about anything Muktananda wrote.

Most

> >of his devotees ended up at Ammachi's. I don't want to go into all

> >the reasons on here but I think it was the New Yorker magazine that

> >did a series of investigative articles, from devotees....

>

> Whatever happened or didn't happen toward the end of Muktananda's

life, it

> in no way invalidates his books or the experiences related in _Play

of

> Consciousness_ of the young brahmacharya student working through his

own

> Kundalini/spiritual development.

>

> You remind me of a book I was just reading, in which it is revealed

that

> Nero Wolfe removed More's _Utopia_ from his bookshelves after

concluding

> that More framed Richard III for the murders of the two young

princes. :)))

>

> Love,

> Dharma

 

Namaste Dharma,

 

Much of what Muktananda said was either plagiarised or just plain

fanciful and contradictory. Apart from the fact that scores of young

women have signed affidavits to the fact that he allegedly sexually

abused them, in the name of kundalini..Hardly one to

follow....ONS..Tony.

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Hi Greg,

>Was that book you were reading a Rex Stout novel?

 

Sure! It's _Death of a Doxy_. :) Last winter I found a second-hand book

store with a lot of Rex Stout, and I bought all they had that I didn't have

already.

>If so, I read the same

>one (forgetting its name now..)

 

My favorite detective. :) But I don't think much of this new series on TV,

do you? I would have liked to see it done some years ago with Orson Welles

as Nero Wolfe and a younger Burt Reynolds as Archie. Can you see that? :)

 

Love,

Dharma

>>

>>You remind me of a book I was just reading, in which it is revealed that

>>Nero Wolfe removed More's _Utopia_ from his bookshelves after concluding

>>that More framed Richard III for the murders of the two young princes. :)))

>>

>>Love,

>>Dharma

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Oh Tony.

 

Wait till you hear what I have done... :-) But you got to come over

personally for me to tell you, so that you don't have to get it through

hearsay...

 

Love, Wim

 

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Hi Dharma,

 

He's one of my favorite detectives too. Congrats on finding lots of books

at one time. There was a large paperback printing of his books in the

1970's. I never watch television, but think Orson Welles and Burt Reynolds

would be great. My favorite Wolfe novel I think is The Doorbell Rang, and

I'm glad I read many others before coming across that one. It's amazing

how Stout pulls the reader into the Wolfian world with excellent writing,

familiar characters, routines and situations, always revealing a bit more

from book to book, and never boring or losing the reader. I once met

Stout's biographer, who was a very good friend of Stout's. The biographer

said he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was keeping one, just one,

short story and intentionally not reading it. He said he was saving it for

his deathbed!

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 10:43 AM 8/10/01 -0700, Dharma wrote:

>Hi Greg,

>

>>Was that book you were reading a Rex Stout novel?

>

>Sure! It's _Death of a Doxy_. :) Last winter I found a second-hand book

>store with a lot of Rex Stout, and I bought all they had that I didn't have

>already.

>

>>If so, I read the same

>>one (forgetting its name now..)

>

>My favorite detective. :) But I don't think much of this new series on TV,

>do you? I would have liked to see it done some years ago with Orson Welles

>as Nero Wolfe and a younger Burt Reynolds as Archie. Can you see that? :)

>

>Love,

>Dharma

>

>>>

>>>You remind me of a book I was just reading, in which it is revealed that

>>>Nero Wolfe removed More's _Utopia_ from his bookshelves after concluding

>>>that More framed Richard III for the murders of the two young princes. :)))

>>>

>>>Love,

>>>Dharma

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>/join

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>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is

Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

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Dear Greg,

 

You and Dharma have inspired me to go hunting in a used bookstore

for a Wolfe book. I've never even read a detective novel in my whole

life.

The biographersaid he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was

keeping one, just one,short story and intentionally not reading it.

He said he was saving it forhis deathbed!Love,--Greg

 

That sounds so nice and comforting...but what if he gets hit by a truck?

 

Love,

Kheyala

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Tony:

 

As I said,

>> Whatever happened or didn't happen toward the end of Muktananda's

>life, it

>> in no way invalidates his books or the experiences related in _Play

>of

>> Consciousness_ of the young brahmacharya student working through his

>own

>> Kundalini/spiritual development.

>Much of what Muktananda said was either plagiarised

 

I don't believe it. Prove it, Tony! If you actually know that, you can

prove it. Otherwise, you're just slandering.

> or just plain

>fanciful and contradictory.

 

You know, Tony, you express so many _opinions_ about what's non-existent

and false and fanciful and contradictory that another such opinion from you

carries no weight whatsoever.

>Hardly one to

>follow....

 

I read and use many books, Tony, and that doesn't make me a follower of any

of the authors.

 

When Muktananda was a very young student, his guru awakened his Kundalini

but didn't explain anything about what would happen after that. The young

man went through some puzzling, confusing, frightening and horrendous

experiences... one evening he told his friend good-bye and said he would

be either dead or crazy by morning. Finally he found some books that

explained what was happening and found a sage who could discuss it.

 

Later he wrote _Play of Consciousness_ to help other young students by

sharing his experience, and he shared even those things that he found

personally embarrassing.

 

The book was recommended to me by my Jin Shin therapist right after my

Kundalini went into high gear, and it was a great help to me, along with

Sanella's book. I recommend both of them to anyone who wants more

knowledge and guidance about active Kundalini.

 

My only caveat about Muktananda's book is that he was brahmacharya - virgin

and celibate. He thought he had killed his sexuality forever and wanted

nothing to do with it, ever. So he reacted with horror when Kundalini did

find sexual expression for a period of time until he succeeded in

sublimating it to throat chakra.

 

Celibacy and asexuality are not necessary on a spiritual path, whether

Kundalini is active or not. But it is quite possible to use his book to

good advantage without accepting his own choice of celibacy.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Greg,

>He's one of my favorite detectives too. Congrats on finding lots of books

>at one time. There was a large paperback printing of his books in the

>1970's. I never watch television, but think Orson Welles and Burt Reynolds

>would be great. My favorite Wolfe novel I think is The Doorbell Rang, and

>I'm glad I read many others before coming across that one. It's amazing

>how Stout pulls the reader into the Wolfian world with excellent writing,

>familiar characters, routines and situations, always revealing a bit more

>from book to book, and never boring or losing the reader.

 

Yes, and since the characters and their circumstances don't vary much, you

can pick up any book without worrying about the time sequence. I enjoy the

way Kinsey Milhone DOES change through those books, but I also like the way

there's very little dating in the Wolfe books.

 

Just picked up _Death of a Dude_, one of the few books not set in NYC...

this one's in Montana. In this one Archie pulls into a gas station and

tells the boy to fill it up with Premium - and the cost is $2.63. Well, I

had to check the date - copyright 1969! This is the only kind of thing

that dates the stories, I think - an occasional mention of WWII or Vietnam,

Archie using a typewriter instead of a computer, etc.

 

I keep books that I know I can enjoy reading again... and I enjoy reading

any of Stout's books over again. In this one I was struck by his wonderful

descriptions of Montana, even while sticking to Archie's kind of language.

 

And I love the scene where the taxi pulls up at Lily Rowan's place in the

mountains:

>... and the rear door of the taxi opened and a man climbed out, backwards.

>His big broad behind was Nero Wolfe's, and when he straightened up and

>turned around, so was his big broad front. Lily, at my elbow, said, "The

>mountain comes to Mohammed," and we crossed the terrace to meet him.

>I once met

>Stout's biographer,

 

Haven't read it, but I'd like to. Do you remember the name of the book

and/or the author?

> who was a very good friend of Stout's. The biographer

>said he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was keeping one, just one,

>short story and intentionally not reading it. He said he was saving it for

>his deathbed!

 

Wonderful! :))

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Kheyala,

> Dear Greg, You and Dharma have inspired me to go hunting in a

>used bookstore for a Wolfe book. I've never even read a detective novel

>in my whole life.

 

The author is Rex Stout. Usually, when I ask in a bookstore, they tell me

they don't have any, that people who own Nero Wolfe books don't want to get

rid of them. :)) That's why I was surprised to find a bunch of them.

 

When you find a Rex Stout book, just check to be sure it's about Nero Wolfe

and Archie Goodwin. He did write some earlier books that I don't think are

of the same caliber.

 

The first Nero Wolfe book was _Fer-de-Lance_, but it doesn't really matter

- they don't have to be read chronologically.

> The biographersaid he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was

> keeping one, just one,short story and intentionally not reading it.

> He said he was saving it forhis

> deathbed!Love,--Greg

>That sounds so nice and comforting...but what

> if he gets hit by a truck?

 

:))) Maybe a theme of "the unread story" haunting him in the next life?

:)))) LOL! :))))))))

 

Love,

Dharma

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Dear Dharma,

:) Your letter still has me smiling. :)

Thank you for the tips. I will let you know how it goes!

Love,

Kheyala

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Dharma

Saturday, August 11, 2001 6:14 PM

Re: Muktananda, was Re: Kundalini

Hi Kheyala,> Dear Greg, You and Dharma have inspired me to

go hunting in a>used bookstore for a Wolfe book. I've never even

read a detective novel>in my whole life.The author is Rex Stout.

Usually, when I ask in a bookstore, they tell methey don't have any,

that people who own Nero Wolfe books don't want to getrid of them.

:)) That's why I was surprised to find a bunch of them.When you find

a Rex Stout book, just check to be sure it's about Nero Wolfeand

Archie Goodwin. He did write some earlier books that I don't think

areof the same caliber.The first Nero Wolfe book was _Fer-de-Lance_,

but it doesn't really matter- they don't have to be read

chronologically.> The biographersaid he loved the Wolfe books so

much that he was> keeping one, just one,short story and

intentionally not reading it. > He said he was saving it forhis>

deathbed!Love,--Greg >That sounds so nice and comforting...but

what> if he gets hit by a truck?:))) Maybe a theme of "the unread

story" haunting him in the next life?:)))) LOL!

:))))))))Love,Dharma/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the

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