Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 , Dharma <deva@L...> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > >I would be a little circumspect about anything Muktananda wrote. Most > >of his devotees ended up at Ammachi's. I don't want to go into all > >the reasons on here but I think it was the New Yorker magazine that > >did a series of investigative articles, from devotees.... > > Whatever happened or didn't happen toward the end of Muktananda's life, it > in no way invalidates his books or the experiences related in _Play of > Consciousness_ of the young brahmacharya student working through his own > Kundalini/spiritual development. > > You remind me of a book I was just reading, in which it is revealed that > Nero Wolfe removed More's _Utopia_ from his bookshelves after concluding > that More framed Richard III for the murders of the two young princes. )) > > Love, > Dharma Namaste Dharma, Much of what Muktananda said was either plagiarised or just plain fanciful and contradictory. Apart from the fact that scores of young women have signed affidavits to the fact that he allegedly sexually abused them, in the name of kundalini..Hardly one to follow....ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Hi Greg, >Was that book you were reading a Rex Stout novel? Sure! It's _Death of a Doxy_. Last winter I found a second-hand book store with a lot of Rex Stout, and I bought all they had that I didn't have already. >If so, I read the same >one (forgetting its name now..) My favorite detective. But I don't think much of this new series on TV, do you? I would have liked to see it done some years ago with Orson Welles as Nero Wolfe and a younger Burt Reynolds as Archie. Can you see that? Love, Dharma >> >>You remind me of a book I was just reading, in which it is revealed that >>Nero Wolfe removed More's _Utopia_ from his bookshelves after concluding >>that More framed Richard III for the murders of the two young princes. )) >> >>Love, >>Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Oh Tony. Wait till you hear what I have done... :-) But you got to come over personally for me to tell you, so that you don't have to get it through hearsay... Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Hi Dharma, He's one of my favorite detectives too. Congrats on finding lots of books at one time. There was a large paperback printing of his books in the 1970's. I never watch television, but think Orson Welles and Burt Reynolds would be great. My favorite Wolfe novel I think is The Doorbell Rang, and I'm glad I read many others before coming across that one. It's amazing how Stout pulls the reader into the Wolfian world with excellent writing, familiar characters, routines and situations, always revealing a bit more from book to book, and never boring or losing the reader. I once met Stout's biographer, who was a very good friend of Stout's. The biographer said he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was keeping one, just one, short story and intentionally not reading it. He said he was saving it for his deathbed! Love, --Greg At 10:43 AM 8/10/01 -0700, Dharma wrote: >Hi Greg, > >>Was that book you were reading a Rex Stout novel? > >Sure! It's _Death of a Doxy_. Last winter I found a second-hand book >store with a lot of Rex Stout, and I bought all they had that I didn't have >already. > >>If so, I read the same >>one (forgetting its name now..) > >My favorite detective. But I don't think much of this new series on TV, >do you? I would have liked to see it done some years ago with Orson Welles >as Nero Wolfe and a younger Burt Reynolds as Archie. Can you see that? > >Love, >Dharma > >>> >>>You remind me of a book I was just reading, in which it is revealed that >>>Nero Wolfe removed More's _Utopia_ from his bookshelves after concluding >>>that More framed Richard III for the murders of the two young princes. )) >>> >>>Love, >>>Dharma > > > > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Dear Greg, You and Dharma have inspired me to go hunting in a used bookstore for a Wolfe book. I've never even read a detective novel in my whole life. The biographersaid he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was keeping one, just one,short story and intentionally not reading it. He said he was saving it forhis deathbed!Love,--Greg That sounds so nice and comforting...but what if he gets hit by a truck? Love, Kheyala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Tony: As I said, >> Whatever happened or didn't happen toward the end of Muktananda's >life, it >> in no way invalidates his books or the experiences related in _Play >of >> Consciousness_ of the young brahmacharya student working through his >own >> Kundalini/spiritual development. >Much of what Muktananda said was either plagiarised I don't believe it. Prove it, Tony! If you actually know that, you can prove it. Otherwise, you're just slandering. > or just plain >fanciful and contradictory. You know, Tony, you express so many _opinions_ about what's non-existent and false and fanciful and contradictory that another such opinion from you carries no weight whatsoever. >Hardly one to >follow.... I read and use many books, Tony, and that doesn't make me a follower of any of the authors. When Muktananda was a very young student, his guru awakened his Kundalini but didn't explain anything about what would happen after that. The young man went through some puzzling, confusing, frightening and horrendous experiences... one evening he told his friend good-bye and said he would be either dead or crazy by morning. Finally he found some books that explained what was happening and found a sage who could discuss it. Later he wrote _Play of Consciousness_ to help other young students by sharing his experience, and he shared even those things that he found personally embarrassing. The book was recommended to me by my Jin Shin therapist right after my Kundalini went into high gear, and it was a great help to me, along with Sanella's book. I recommend both of them to anyone who wants more knowledge and guidance about active Kundalini. My only caveat about Muktananda's book is that he was brahmacharya - virgin and celibate. He thought he had killed his sexuality forever and wanted nothing to do with it, ever. So he reacted with horror when Kundalini did find sexual expression for a period of time until he succeeded in sublimating it to throat chakra. Celibacy and asexuality are not necessary on a spiritual path, whether Kundalini is active or not. But it is quite possible to use his book to good advantage without accepting his own choice of celibacy. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Greg, >He's one of my favorite detectives too. Congrats on finding lots of books >at one time. There was a large paperback printing of his books in the >1970's. I never watch television, but think Orson Welles and Burt Reynolds >would be great. My favorite Wolfe novel I think is The Doorbell Rang, and >I'm glad I read many others before coming across that one. It's amazing >how Stout pulls the reader into the Wolfian world with excellent writing, >familiar characters, routines and situations, always revealing a bit more >from book to book, and never boring or losing the reader. Yes, and since the characters and their circumstances don't vary much, you can pick up any book without worrying about the time sequence. I enjoy the way Kinsey Milhone DOES change through those books, but I also like the way there's very little dating in the Wolfe books. Just picked up _Death of a Dude_, one of the few books not set in NYC... this one's in Montana. In this one Archie pulls into a gas station and tells the boy to fill it up with Premium - and the cost is $2.63. Well, I had to check the date - copyright 1969! This is the only kind of thing that dates the stories, I think - an occasional mention of WWII or Vietnam, Archie using a typewriter instead of a computer, etc. I keep books that I know I can enjoy reading again... and I enjoy reading any of Stout's books over again. In this one I was struck by his wonderful descriptions of Montana, even while sticking to Archie's kind of language. And I love the scene where the taxi pulls up at Lily Rowan's place in the mountains: >... and the rear door of the taxi opened and a man climbed out, backwards. >His big broad behind was Nero Wolfe's, and when he straightened up and >turned around, so was his big broad front. Lily, at my elbow, said, "The >mountain comes to Mohammed," and we crossed the terrace to meet him. >I once met >Stout's biographer, Haven't read it, but I'd like to. Do you remember the name of the book and/or the author? > who was a very good friend of Stout's. The biographer >said he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was keeping one, just one, >short story and intentionally not reading it. He said he was saving it for >his deathbed! Wonderful! ) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Kheyala, > Dear Greg, You and Dharma have inspired me to go hunting in a >used bookstore for a Wolfe book. I've never even read a detective novel >in my whole life. The author is Rex Stout. Usually, when I ask in a bookstore, they tell me they don't have any, that people who own Nero Wolfe books don't want to get rid of them. ) That's why I was surprised to find a bunch of them. When you find a Rex Stout book, just check to be sure it's about Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin. He did write some earlier books that I don't think are of the same caliber. The first Nero Wolfe book was _Fer-de-Lance_, but it doesn't really matter - they don't have to be read chronologically. > The biographersaid he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was > keeping one, just one,short story and intentionally not reading it. > He said he was saving it forhis > deathbed!Love,--Greg >That sounds so nice and comforting...but what > if he gets hit by a truck? )) Maybe a theme of "the unread story" haunting him in the next life? ))) LOL! ))))))) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Dear Dharma, Your letter still has me smiling. Thank you for the tips. I will let you know how it goes! Love, Kheyala - Dharma Saturday, August 11, 2001 6:14 PM Re: Muktananda, was Re: Kundalini Hi Kheyala,> Dear Greg, You and Dharma have inspired me to go hunting in a>used bookstore for a Wolfe book. I've never even read a detective novel>in my whole life.The author is Rex Stout. Usually, when I ask in a bookstore, they tell methey don't have any, that people who own Nero Wolfe books don't want to getrid of them. ) That's why I was surprised to find a bunch of them.When you find a Rex Stout book, just check to be sure it's about Nero Wolfeand Archie Goodwin. He did write some earlier books that I don't think areof the same caliber.The first Nero Wolfe book was _Fer-de-Lance_, but it doesn't really matter- they don't have to be read chronologically.> The biographersaid he loved the Wolfe books so much that he was> keeping one, just one,short story and intentionally not reading it. > He said he was saving it forhis> deathbed!Love,--Greg >That sounds so nice and comforting...but what> if he gets hit by a truck?)) Maybe a theme of "the unread story" haunting him in the next life?))) LOL! )))))))Love,Dharma/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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