Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Dharma wrote [[.. sometimes in meditation I hear a tone in each ear, and they're slightly different - not the same tone.]] ** Whenever you hear a high-pitched ringing in your ears, this is your Spirit seeking to align itself. It is wise to pause during this moment, to stop-the-world (so to speak). Do nothing, expect nothing, be nothing. Otherwise .. it just occured to me that this list has both a Dharma & a Greg. ::hee-hee:: Om Santi ... Yogini Sakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Your're right! Hey, I don't watch TV, but I think Dharma might be an unusual name for a TV show character. What is she like? At 07:49 PM 8/10/01 -0000, hamsayogini wrote: >Dharma wrote [[.. sometimes in meditation I hear a tone in each ear, >and they're slightly different - not the same tone.]] >** Whenever you hear a high-pitched ringing in your ears, this is >your Spirit seeking to align itself. It is wise to pause during this >moment, to stop-the-world (so to speak). Do nothing, expect nothing, >be nothing. > >Otherwise .. it just occured to me that this list has both a Dharma & >a Greg. ::hee-hee:: > >Om Santi ... >Yogini Sakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Hi Dharma, At 12:29 PM 8/10/01 -0700, Dharma wrote: >Perception from heart chakra? 4th plane? Can you describe it in more detail? I've never thought about how to talk about it. The experience feels like energies are opening, closing, traveling straight or around other energies, communicating, embracing or being invited or not; feeling light or heavy. There is no color or sound component, and no narrative content to it. E.g., No story about what happened in a past life. But without any seeming links between this cheat-area sensing and anything else, I'll spontaneously get an idea at the verbal level about what is going on with another person or place at the physical, emotional and spiritual levels. Usually these intuitions agree with the investigations of other people who have been trained at this kind of seeing. If this kind of perception comes to me, it can happen no matter how far away the person is, or how far back in time. If it goes forward in time, I don't recognize it as such! I know that there are people who have reported hearing sights and seeing sounds. In some forms of Mahayana Buddhism, one of the hallmarks of full Buddhahood if full omniscience in every pore of the body. That is, the ears will know all truths and see all sights; the eyes will be able to know mathematical truths, etc. Greg from before: >>To say that we absolutely see the same thing that we hear (say a ringing >>bell), a vast amount of internal translation is going on to relate one >>stream to the other. Dharma: >Not sure what you mean. I know there are people who see sounds and hear >colors... it's called synesthesia, I think. I can relate a tone to a >color, or vice versa, but that's not the same thing. I was referring to something like the Molyneaux Experiement in the 18th Century, true case. A man born blind was very well schooled and trained. He could feel and hear his way around his world very effectively. As an adult, he regained his sight. The question that had been debated by the 18th century philosophers was this: Would this man upon regaining his sight be able to visually distinguish a round thing from a square one? He can already do this very well tactually. That is, sitting at a table with a round block and a square block in front of him, he can tell you from feeling them which is round and which is square. But upon regaining his sight, could he by seeing tell you which one is round, which is square? The answer was "no, he could not." He could visually determine that they were different, and could group square things and round things together. But based on tactile evidence alone, he could not instantly tell visually which was round and which was square. He had to be trained visually from the ground up. There was a movie about that, oh, two years ago or so. According to some Western philosophy, which loves this example, there really is no object out there sending round signals through all the senses. Instead, we build up the world through association. We associate this sight with that sound. Then we put them together and call it a "barking dog," etc. >It occurs to me that sometimes in meditation I hear a tone in each ear, and >they're slightly different - not the same tone. I pull them together until >they're the same - for balance and alignment. But I wonder if using two >different tones - leaving them different and somehow using the difference - >would (or does without our awareness) help in distance perception. That reminds me of this new kind of psychological therapy called EMDR (www.emdr.com). It is effective for past traumas like abuse as a child, and I know two people who have been made much happier by it. It uses this principle, though through vision. By aligning the eyes with an uneven, then even row of flickering lights, the oculomotor movements tend to smooth out the brainwaves and calm the emotions. Enjoying this discussion, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Sakti, BTW, is this your name? Or is Yogini Sakti a kind of descriptive title? Is Sakti what we should call you? >Dharma wrote [[.. sometimes in meditation I hear a tone in each ear, >and they're slightly different - not the same tone.]] >** Whenever you hear a high-pitched ringing in your ears, this is >your Spirit seeking to align itself. It is wise to pause during this >moment, to stop-the-world (so to speak). Do nothing, expect nothing, >be nothing. Yes, my guide/ spiritual guru often uses tones that way. But occasionally he uses a sudden loud tone in my ears to get my attention. )) There's good material on this in some old posts from Marcus. Since we keep having new people here, I think I'll send them again. >Otherwise .. it just occured to me that this list has both a Dharma & >a Greg. ::hee-hee:: Well, the name was given to me a few years ago, and I accepted it _in spite of_ not wanting to be classed with ditzy Dharma on TV. ))) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Greg, >Your're right! Hey, I don't watch TV, but I think Dharma might be an >unusual name for a TV show character. What is she like? The beautiful, smart but ditzy daughter of a couple of aging flower children - blurts spontaneously about spirit, yoga, etc... likely to go into padmasana or begin OMing at the drop of a hat. Greg's parents are wealthy business/society people. So you can imagine their offspring coming together... and the parents all confronting each other. )) You should try to catch the show. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Greg, >>Perception from heart chakra? 4th plane? Can you describe it in more >detail? > >I've never thought about how to talk about it. The experience feels like >energies are opening, closing, traveling straight or around other energies, >communicating, embracing or being invited or not; feeling light or heavy. >There is no color or sound component, and no narrative content to it. >E.g., No story about what happened in a past life. But without any seeming >links between this cheat-area sensing and anything else, I'll >spontaneously get an idea at the verbal level about what is going on with >another person or place at the physical, emotional and spiritual levels. >Usually these intuitions agree with the investigations of other people who >have been trained at this kind of seeing. Yes, I think you're perceiving through Heart Chakra. That would be above the personality planes - the physical, emotional/astral, and intellectual/mental. Then when you get the idea at verbal level, that's the brain translation into personality level so you can understand it and communicate it. I used to be on a list where we got together every night for meditation, sharing Heart Chakra love, and sometimes healing. Your description reminds me of what it felt like, sensing the others. >If this kind of perception comes >to me, it can happen no matter how far away the person is, or how far back >in time. If it goes forward in time, I don't recognize it as such! Yes, time and space are illusions, relatively speaking... they belong to the lower planes. Above that, you can be with someone anywhere, any time. We had a "target time" for our group to meet, but just for a focus. If someone was busy at that time, he could join us at any objective time - didn't matter. >I know that there are people who have reported hearing sights and seeing >sounds. In some forms of Mahayana Buddhism, one of the hallmarks of full >Buddhahood if full omniscience in every pore of the body. That is, the >ears will know all truths and see all sights; the eyes will be able to know >mathematical truths, etc. Well, if we're talking about someone still in full incarnation, living in the lower bodies, then I don't see how it would be possible to know everything in the brain/mind all at once or to see everything with the eyes. So I think it would mean that any knowledge or sight would be accessible. >Greg from before: >>>To say that we absolutely see the same thing that we hear (say a ringing >>>bell), a vast amount of internal translation is going on to relate one >>>stream to the other. > >Dharma: >>Not sure what you mean. I know there are people who see sounds and hear >>colors... it's called synesthesia, I think. I can relate a tone to a >>color, or vice versa, but that's not the same thing. > >I was referring to something like the Molyneaux Experiement in the 18th >Century, true case. > > A man born blind was very well schooled and trained. > He could feel and hear his way around his world very > effectively. As an adult, he regained his sight. > The question that had been debated by the 18th century > philosophers was this: > > Would this man upon regaining his sight be able to > visually distinguish a round thing from a square one? > He can already do this very well tactually. That is, > sitting at a table with a round block and a square block > in front of him, he can tell you from feeling them which > is round and which is square. But upon regaining his > sight, could he by seeing tell you which one is round, > which is square? > >The answer was "no, he could not." He could visually determine that they >were different, and could group square things and round things together. >But based on tactile evidence alone, Do you mean "visual evidence"? > he could not instantly tell visually >which was round and which was square. He had to be trained visually from >the ground up. I would expect that. I remember reading about encounters with isolated peoples who had never seen photographs before... and at first they couldn't see anything there. They had to learn to see a picture in a photograph. >There was a movie about that, oh, two years ago or so. >According to some Western philosophy, which loves this example, there >really is no object out there sending round signals through all the senses. > Instead, we build up the world through association. We associate this >sight with that sound. Then we put them together and call it a "barking >dog," etc. I'm not much interested in philosophy, in reasoning things out instead of looking to see what's so. We know there are different planes/levels/states of consciousness. And we have to have the equipment to sense on any plane... and the experience to understand what we sense. Once I had hypoglycemia and at the end of a 5-hour glucose tolerance test, where they fill you full of sugar and watch to see what happens, I was asleep on an examining table in a small room. A nurse woke me up and asked, "Do you know where you are?" I said "Yes" automatically, but I didn't know anything. I was seeing these white things - a white place, a figure in white - didn't even understand that much. Just staring, not comprehending. Then my hand jogged my glasses, or maybe she handed them to me. Holding my glasses and putting them on jogged my brain somehow and I remembered hospital... nurse... My equipment had been short-circuited, I guess... or maybe the link between the perceiving equipment and the understanding equipment. ) >>It occurs to me that sometimes in meditation I hear a tone in each ear, and >>they're slightly different - not the same tone. I pull them together until >>they're the same - for balance and alignment. But I wonder if using two >>different tones - leaving them different and somehow using the difference - >>would (or does without our awareness) help in distance perception. > >That reminds me of this new kind of psychological therapy called EMDR >(www.emdr.com). It is effective for past traumas like abuse as a child, >and I know two people who have been made much happier by it. It uses this >principle, though through vision. By aligning the eyes with an uneven, >then even row of flickering lights, the oculomotor movements tend to smooth >out the brainwaves and calm the emotions. Interesting! Which reminds me of an autistic child I knew who was going for sound therapy. They would put big earphones on her for a while. It didn't matter what she did, as long as she had the earphones on. They were using sounds on the brain, but I don't know any more about it and don't remember what it was called. If anyone wants to know more, you could look on some of the autism sites. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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