Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Hello All, I find this post of Tony's offensive, unfeeling, potentially harmful, and in violation of our list guidelines. Is there no way to discourage this kind of behavior? I'm not bringing this up for my own sake. I filter all of Tony's posts straight into the trash. I took a peek to see if his style had changed, and I won't do it again soon. I do think a Hindu and/or Krishna devotee should be able to post here about Krishna's birthday without receiving this kind of treatment. Love, Dharma >, hamsayogini@a... wrote: >> Tomorrow, August 11th, is Krishna Janmashtami. ! Om Namo Bhagavate >> Vasudevaya ! This is Lord Krisna's birthday; one of the greatest of >> all Hindu holy days. >snip< >Namaste Hamsa, > >There is no 'God' to incarnate!!! > > God is the sum total of the jivas, like a forest is the sum total of >the trees. The universe is like a clock it runs itself once wound up. > An avatar, well we are all avatars, is a person who took rebirth to >help. The concept of bhodisattva is the same thing, holding on to a >thought to help. > > A jivanmukti is totally realised, having no ego thought at all. Hence >coud be thought of as superior to an avatar!!. > >This takes nothing from Sri Krishna of course, accept he was no more >god incarnated than we are!!!.........ONS.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Tony's comments are not appropriate... Please Harsha, please do something... Love Wim > > Dharma [deva] > Friday, August 10, 2001 6:40 PM > > Tony, was Re: Krishna Janmashtami > > > Hello All, > > I find this post of Tony's offensive, unfeeling, potentially harmful, and > in violation of our list guidelines. Is there no way to discourage this > kind of behavior? > > I'm not bringing this up for my own sake. I filter all of Tony's posts > straight into the trash. I took a peek to see if his style had changed, > and I won't do it again soon. > > I do think a Hindu and/or Krishna devotee should be able to post > here about > Krishna's birthday without receiving this kind of treatment. > > Love, > Dharma > > >, hamsayogini@a... wrote: > >> Tomorrow, August 11th, is Krishna Janmashtami. ! Om Namo Bhagavate > >> Vasudevaya ! This is Lord Krisna's birthday; one of the greatest of > >> all Hindu holy days. > >snip< > > >Namaste Hamsa, > > > >There is no 'God' to incarnate!!! > > > > God is the sum total of the jivas, like a forest is the sum total of > >the trees. The universe is like a clock it runs itself once wound up. > > An avatar, well we are all avatars, is a person who took rebirth to > >help. The concept of bhodisattva is the same thing, holding on to a > >thought to help. > > > > A jivanmukti is totally realised, having no ego thought at all. Hence > >coud be thought of as superior to an avatar!!. > > > >This takes nothing from Sri Krishna of course, accept he was no more > >god incarnated than we are!!!.........ONS.......Tony. > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Wim! You really know how to turn the pressure on! :-). Oh, yes, you say, "Please Harsha, please do something.." Well, I have been looking for my magic wand for a while now. You can rest assured that once I find it and wave it properly, the world will be a better more harmonious place and this Sangha will be singing and dancing the Michael Jackson tune, "We are the world, we are the children,..". The magic wand has thus far eluded me, however, and I feel like singing that old country classic, "I beg your pardon, I never promised you a rose garden Along with the sunshine There has got to be a little rain sometimes" Does anyone else remember that song? I guess it comes back to Sri Tony. Tonyji is part of the Sangha. He has joined and he contributes honestly from his perspective, however odd it may appear to others. Yes, Tonyji is a bit rough in his expressions and perhaps a bit blunt but he has explained this by suggesting that this is due to his Irish background. I don't know anything about the Irish culture and am not an anthropologist but certainly willing to respect cultural differences. As far as I know Tonyji does not usually swear at people, lose his temper, and call them names. Tonyji can also take and insult and respond in a humorous way which we should appreciate. Tonyji may appear subtly condescending, sarcastic, and firmly entrenched in a particular unshakeable view of reality. But is that really such a bad thing? I honestly don't think Sri Tonyji means to insult anyone on purpose. It just sort of seems to happen. Perhaps what Sri Tonyji needs from us is more love and more acceptance and more respect. We love you Tony! Love to all Harsha Wim Borsboom [wim] Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:05 AM RE: Tony, was Re: Krishna Janmashtami Tony's comments are not appropriate... Please Harsha, please do something... Love Wim > > Dharma [deva] > Friday, August 10, 2001 6:40 PM > > Tony, was Re: Krishna Janmashtami > > > Hello All, > > I find this post of Tony's offensive, unfeeling, potentially harmful, and > in violation of our list guidelines. Is there no way to discourage this > kind of behavior? > > I'm not bringing this up for my own sake. I filter all of Tony's posts > straight into the trash. I took a peek to see if his style had changed, > and I won't do it again soon. > > I do think a Hindu and/or Krishna devotee should be able to post > here about > Krishna's birthday without receiving this kind of treatment. > > Love, > Dharma > > >, hamsayogini@a... wrote: > >> Tomorrow, August 11th, is Krishna Janmashtami. ! Om Namo Bhagavate > >> Vasudevaya ! This is Lord Krisna's birthday; one of the greatest of > >> all Hindu holy days. > >snip< > > >Namaste Hamsa, > > > >There is no 'God' to incarnate!!! > > > > God is the sum total of the jivas, like a forest is the sum total of > >the trees. The universe is like a clock it runs itself once wound up. > > An avatar, well we are all avatars, is a person who took rebirth to > >help. The concept of bhodisattva is the same thing, holding on to a > >thought to help. > > > > A jivanmukti is totally realised, having no ego thought at all. Hence > >coud be thought of as superior to an avatar!!. > > > >This takes nothing from Sri Krishna of course, accept he was no more > >god incarnated than we are!!!.........ONS.......Tony. > > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Tony's comments are not appropriate... Please Harsha, please do something... Love Wim A hollow tree rarely bears good fruit. but it may make a good home for birds. Most would avoid a skunk encountered on a path in the woods, but even his place is important in the diverse and divine life of the forest. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Mace Mealer [mmealer (AT) arc (DOT) net]Saturday, August 11, 2001 9:33 AMTo: Subject: Re: Tony, was Re: Krishna Janmashtami Tony's comments are not appropriate... Please Harsha, please do something... Love Wim A hollow tree rarely bears good fruit. but it may make a good home for birds. Most would avoid a skunk encountered on a path in the woods, but even his place is important in the diverse and divine life of the forest. ******************** Way to go Mace baby! Thanks for pointing out that hollow trees and skunks have their place in the scheme of things. That should substantially improve the dialogue and no doubt the atmosphere will be purified quickly as well :-). I don't know what to say in face of such wisdom except that we can all be seen as hollow trees and skunks by someone or another brother. One day I will be a hollow tree and the wind will whistle through me and if my branches fall one by one perhaps they will become fuel and warm the heart of a special someone. Love Harsha x /join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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