life changing experiences

[Guest guest]

I have been a faithful christian all my life. Believing that there

was a hell, and that I had to be saved in order to reach heaven. When

you're afraid for your immortale soul, and fear controles you it is

very hard to seek the truth, when there's still dought in your mind

and you think," If I'm wrong, and I go down this path, and there

realy is a hell I'm in trouble." But for the first time in my entire

life I am at peace with myself. The good and the bad, I love all of

me, and I've never been able to say that. I want to be a seeker of

truth. I want to be spirit in human form, not spirit trapped in

human misery. I want to love others and be a good person without

self dought and judgement. I want to grow spiritually and thats why

I'm here. I need to talk to people who have gone down this path

before me. Someone who knows what I am feeling, and knows the fear

that still resides in me. I am asking someone to extend a hand to me,

and share your expiriences with me that I might learn .

 

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

Dear Jennifer,

 

You wrote:

> I want to love others and be a good person without self doubt and

judgement.

> I want to grow spiritually and that's why I'm here.

> I need to talk to people who have gone down this path before me.

> Someone who knows what I am feeling, and knows the fear

> that still resides in me. I am asking someone to extend a hand to me,

> and share your experiences with me that I might learn .

 

Doubt and questioning together, are really the first problem that a newly

born baby gets to be confronted with. Not its own doubt, not its own

questioning, babies don't come that way (trust me in this for now), but the

doubt and questioning of "others about themselves" and... "doubt and

questioning about the well-being of the little baby." The whole gestation

process of a little human within the womb, from being conceived to being

born is a self regulating process. The mother provides, the mother's body

does not even have choice... Even when the mother's health is not too good,

whatever her body still has to give, it will give to the baby...

unconditionally. A young being from conception to birth knows that

confidence and trust IS reality. It actually only "KNOWS," that means it

knows no objects, it only knows itself, unquestionably... That goes -

literally - without saying.

On this list you will hear a lot about, "Who am I?" What I have just tried

to say is that a baby is not born with a question at all. Questions get

projected onto a baby, usually pretty soon after the first moments of wonder

by the parents are over... But for the baby the only reality for quite a

while is still..., "I am here!" That is very SUBJECTIVE, and very, very

good. Vicky has just posted some Q&A's by Ramana Maharshi about subjectivity

(see the end of this post), the little human being is not about objects and

objectivity, nor is Ramana. That is not Ramana's terrain. Objects, objective

and objectivity will come later, rather naturally. Ramana's messages are not

about objects, objective, objectivity, that is my message, but that will

come later, his is about subjectivity, straight and pure unquestioned self

being...

Babies come that way...

>From what you write, Jennifer, I gather that it is your intent to reclaim

that original purity, to return to that moment before doubt and uncertainty

arose. It seems that you want to pick up the tread of your life "right

there, where it was pulled away from you." I call that process

self-reintegration, self restoration, self reclamation. You are not looking

for a new self, that is impossible! You do not want to be reborn a different

being, your aim is to become again what you would have been if everything

would have been just right from your moment of birth. That is the most

wonderful thing one can do: taking one's life in one's own hands again -

just like the baby should have been able to do - and carry on from there,

steady, steadfast, forthright, forthwith, with trust and confidence...

Well, that is not only possible - someone who states her intent the way you

did - it is assured already, you WILL succeed... no doubt...

 

A baby then, is born with unquestioned knowing, there is no doubt about who

it knows itself to be, it IS ITSELF.

 

Strange thing... the child is very un-self-conscious about that. Onlookers

may see it differently, onlookers may even think that the baby is hardly

conscious..., especially not conscious of itself... well it is. (Trust me

again, you will find out.)

That is supposed to stay that way. I know, it doesn't stay that way, we

quickly say, - too quickly actually - "Hunger, pain, agony, colic, teething,

tantrums, shyness, hyper activity, not being heard, not being loved, having

a hard time to be loved..." We say, "Well, such is life.... We come here to

learn..."

Jennifer, I would like you to consider that it is not needed to come up with

that last phrase, not at all.

I know that is what most people tell us, but I'm unconventional in this. The

belief in that phrase is in fact counter productive.

Just like a pine cone does not fall on earth to learn to be a good pine

tree, a human does not have to learn anything either. (Please again, trust

me in that, it will become clearer over time.)

 

Some 24 years ago, Emmy (my wife) and myself did a very interesting

experiment, which in retrospect was no experiment at all; just as much as we

trusted Emmy's pregnancy to be fully fail proof (as it was) and to be

trusted (as we did), so did we endeavour to fully trust what followed after

with that new human being. We decided not to do what most parents do, "to

bring up our child," we decided that, just as grass grows by itself, that

this little guy, Emanuel would do the same...

It was easy for me to figure out what we had to do, we just should not do,

what is normally done with little ones. We were not going to follow the

normal way of bringing someone up.

The first thing we did was throwing out the furniture, as we wanted to be on

the same level as the little one...

 

I would very much like to carry on with this story, as it will be quite

enlightening for a person such as you, to find out how we did this with a

little child, as, how you are going to do your self reclamation, will be

very much the same, albeit, you being a little older than our son was then.

(Emanuel is now 24 and quite a wonderful being.)

 

Also, I would like to carry on with this story as Lynette has asked me

various times to write some more about our life story... as if I don't do

that enough... LOL

 

By the way, Jennifer, you don't have to throw out your furniture...

 

Love, Wim

 

-----------------

Q: Am I to think 'Who am I?'

 

A: You have known that the 'I'-thought springs forth.

Hold the 'I'-thought and find its source.

 

Q: May I know the way?

 

A: Do as you have now been told and see.

 

Q: I do not understand what I should do.

 

A: If it is anything objective the way can

be shown objectively. This is subjective.

 

Q: But I do not understand.

 

A: What! Do you not understand that you are?

 

Q: Please tell me the way.

 

A: Is it necessary to show the way in the interior

of your own home? This is within you.

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi

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Also, I would like to carry on with this story as Lynette has asked me

various times to write some more about our life story... as if I don't do

that enough... LOL

I never did hear how you became a trappist monk.... ~~~

but this story is good too.... I'll read it again, especially now that

I cant beat myself up for not knowing all this when I had my babies.

)))

{{{{hugs}}}}}

love as always

Lynette

Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,

dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond

I am.

[Guest guest]

, "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote:

> Dear Jennifer,

>

> You wrote:

> > I want to love others and be a good person without self doubt and

> judgement.

> > I want to grow spiritually and that's why I'm here.

> > I need to talk to people who have gone down this path before me.

> > Someone who knows what I am feeling, and knows the fear

> > that still resides in me. I am asking someone to extend a hand to

me,

> > and share your experiences with me that I might learn .

>

> Doubt and questioning together, are really the first problem that a

newly

> born baby gets to be confronted with. Not its own doubt, not its own

> questioning, babies don't come that way (trust me in this for now),

but the

> doubt and questioning of "others about themselves" and... "doubt and

> questioning about the well-being of the little baby." The whole

gestation

> process of a little human within the womb, from being conceived to

being

> born is a self regulating process. The mother provides, the

mother's body

> does not even have choice... Even when the mother's health is not

too good,

> whatever her body still has to give, it will give to the baby...

> unconditionally. A young being from conception to birth knows that

> confidence and trust IS reality. It actually only "KNOWS," that

means it

> knows no objects, it only knows itself, unquestionably... That

goes -

> literally - without saying.

> On this list you will hear a lot about, "Who am I?" What I have

just tried

> to say is that a baby is not born with a question at all. Questions

get

> projected onto a baby, usually pretty soon after the first moments

of wonder

> by the parents are over... But for the baby the only reality for

quite a

> while is still..., "I am here!" That is very SUBJECTIVE, and very,

very

> good. Vicky has just posted some Q&A's by Ramana Maharshi about

subjectivity

> (see the end of this post), the little human being is not about

objects and

> objectivity, nor is Ramana. That is not Ramana's terrain. Objects,

objective

> and objectivity will come later, rather naturally. Ramana's

messages are not

> about objects, objective, objectivity, that is my message, but that

will

> come later, his is about subjectivity, straight and pure

unquestioned self

> being...

> Babies come that way...

>

> From what you write, Jennifer, I gather that it is your intent to

reclaim

> that original purity, to return to that moment before doubt and

uncertainty

> arose. It seems that you want to pick up the tread of your

life "right

> there, where it was pulled away from you." I call that process

> self-reintegration, self restoration, self reclamation. You are not

looking

> for a new self, that is impossible! You do not want to be reborn a

different

> being, your aim is to become again what you would have been if

everything

> would have been just right from your moment of birth. That is the

most

> wonderful thing one can do: taking one's life in one's own hands

again -

> just like the baby should have been able to do - and carry on from

there,

> steady, steadfast, forthright, forthwith, with trust and

confidence...

> Well, that is not only possible - someone who states her intent the

way you

> did - it is assured already, you WILL succeed... no doubt...

>

> A baby then, is born with unquestioned knowing, there is no doubt

about who

> it knows itself to be, it IS ITSELF.

>

> Strange thing... the child is very un-self-conscious about that.

Onlookers

> may see it differently, onlookers may even think that the baby is

hardly

> conscious..., especially not conscious of itself... well it is.

(Trust me

> again, you will find out.)

> That is supposed to stay that way. I know, it doesn't stay that

way, we

> quickly say, - too quickly actually - "Hunger, pain, agony, colic,

teething,

> tantrums, shyness, hyper activity, not being heard, not being

loved, having

> a hard time to be loved..." We say, "Well, such is life.... We come

here to

> learn..."

> Jennifer, I would like you to consider that it is not needed to

come up with

> that last phrase, not at all.

> I know that is what most people tell us, but I'm unconventional in

this. The

> belief in that phrase is in fact counter productive.

> Just like a pine cone does not fall on earth to learn to be a good

pine

> tree, a human does not have to learn anything either. (Please

again, trust

> me in that, it will become clearer over time.)

>

> Some 24 years ago, Emmy (my wife) and myself did a very interesting

> experiment, which in retrospect was no experiment at all; just as

much as we

> trusted Emmy's pregnancy to be fully fail proof (as it was) and to

be

> trusted (as we did), so did we endeavour to fully trust what

followed after

> with that new human being. We decided not to do what most parents

do, "to

> bring up our child," we decided that, just as grass grows by

itself, that

> this little guy, Emanuel would do the same...

> It was easy for me to figure out what we had to do, we just should

not do,

> what is normally done with little ones. We were not going to follow

the

> normal way of bringing someone up.

> The first thing we did was throwing out the furniture, as we wanted

to be on

> the same level as the little one...

>

> I would very much like to carry on with this story, as it will be

quite

> enlightening for a person such as you, to find out how we did this

with a

> little child, as, how you are going to do your self reclamation,

will be

> very much the same, albeit, you being a little older than our son

was then.

> (Emanuel is now 24 and quite a wonderful being.)

>

> Also, I would like to carry on with this story as Lynette has asked

me

> various times to write some more about our life story... as if I

don't do

> that enough... LOL

>

> By the way, Jennifer, you don't have to throw out your furniture...

>

> Love, Wim

>

> -----------------

> Q: Am I to think 'Who am I?'

>

> A: You have known that the 'I'-thought springs forth.

> Hold the 'I'-thought and find its source.

>

> Q: May I know the way?

>

> A: Do as you have now been told and see.

>

> Q: I do not understand what I should do.

>

> A: If it is anything objective the way can

> be shown objectively. This is subjective.

>

> Q: But I do not understand.

>

> A: What! Do you not understand that you are?

>

> Q: Please tell me the way.

>

> A: Is it necessary to show the way in the interior

> of your own home? This is within you.

>

> Sri Ramana Maharshi

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Wim,

So you're saying that I have to start completely fresh, as a new

born baby. Unlearn all that I have learned so far? Throw out all

the "furniture", the garbage life has thrown my way, and start all

over. What if everything I've learned so far, my christian beliefs,

is the truth. How can I get rid of the fear?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jennifer,

> I have been a faithful christian all my life. Believing that there

>was a hell, and that I had to be saved in order to reach heaven. When

>you're afraid for your immortale soul, and fear controles you it is

>very hard to seek the truth, when there's still dought in your mind

>and you think," If I'm wrong, and I go down this path, and there

>realy is a hell I'm in trouble." But for the first time in my entire

>life I am at peace with myself. The good and the bad, I love all of

>me, and I've never been able to say that.

 

Wonderful! Good for you.

>I want to be a seeker of

>truth. I want to be spirit in human form, not spirit trapped in

>human misery. I want to love others and be a good person without

>self dought and judgement. I want to grow spiritually and thats why

>I'm here. I need to talk to people who have gone down this path

>before me. Someone who knows what I am feeling, and knows the fear

>that still resides in me. I am asking someone to extend a hand to me,

>and share your expiriences with me that I might learn .

 

Huxley pointed out that the scriptures from other faiths are often more

illuminating than your own, because you get so used to hearing your own

scripture, you don't really hear it any more. As a young Christian, I

found so much in the _Bhagavad-Gita_ and the _Tao Te Ching_. There are

many translations... my favorites are:

 

_The Song of God: Bhagavad-Gita_, tr. Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher

Isherwood, a Mentor Book by Penguin.

 

_The Way of Life: Lao Tzu_, tr. R.B. Blakney

 

Also, I suggest reading the actual words of Jesus, beginning with the

_Gospel According to John_. So much of Christianity is a later

elaboration... happens in all faiths... go to the source and see what he

was saying. You might try a different translation than whatever you've

read before.

 

Do you remember the story of Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee and a member of

the Sanhedrin, going secretly to consult Jesus? Who said to him,

"...unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." And

Nicodemus asked him, "How can a man be born again when he is old? Can he

enter his mother's womb again and be born?"

 

Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and the

Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is

flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.

 

"Don't wonder that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows

where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it

comes from or where it goes, so it is with everyone who is born of the

Spirit."

 

Nicodemus asked, "How can this be??"

 

Jesus said, "Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you don't understand this??

 

The word used here for "Spirit" is "pneuma," which meant wind, breath,

spirit... You'll find the same thing in other old languages... and I

think they probably mean Kundalini too. The Tibetan term for the vital

forces is "the winds," and the term for Kundalini is "the wind in the

central channel."

 

Do you remember the day of Pentecost when the fire descended on the

disciples? And the controversy (_Book of Acts_) about when to give "the

baptism of the Spirit"? They were giving Shaktipat!!

>and share your expiriences with me that I might learn .

 

It's good to learn from others' experiences, but the best teacher you'll

ever find is the teacher within you - your own inner guide, spiritual guru,

High Self... Listen for the voice of Spirit within you, and find your

teacher.

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

Dear Dharma,

Thank you for such a beautiful letter.

I am especially thrilled about the last paragraph....the spirit of

which has been within me since reading Jennifer's invitation to

guidance. I hadn't come up with quite the right words and so I

hadn't responded.

It is deeply satisfying to see the essential words so lovingly

stated. Very, very beautiful.

Love,

Kheyala

P.S. Welcome, Jennifer! Much love to you. Kheyala

-

Dharma

Saturday, August 11, 2001 6:53 PM

Re: life changing experiences

Hi Jennifer,> I have been a faithful christian all my life. Believing

that there>was a hell, and that I had to be saved in order to reach

heaven. When>you're afraid for your immortale soul, and fear

controles you it is>very hard to seek the truth, when there's still

dought in your mind>and you think," If I'm wrong, and I go down this

path, and there>realy is a hell I'm in trouble." But for the first

time in my entire>life I am at peace with myself. The good and the

bad, I love all of>me, and I've never been able to say

that.Wonderful! Good for you. >I want to be a seeker of>truth. I

want to be spirit in human form, not spirit trapped in>human misery.

I want to love others and be a good person without>self dought and

judgement. I want to grow spiritually and thats why>I'm here. I need

to talk to people who have gone down this path>before me. Someone who

knows what I am feeling, and knows the fear>that still resides in me.

I am asking someone to extend a hand to me,>and share your

expiriences with me that I might learn .Huxley pointed out that the

scriptures from other faiths are often moreilluminating than your

own, because you get so used to hearing your ownscripture, you don't

really hear it any more. As a young Christian, Ifound so much in the

_Bhagavad-Gita_ and the _Tao Te Ching_. There aremany translations...

my favorites are:_The Song of God: Bhagavad-Gita_, tr. Swami

Prabhavananda and ChristopherIsherwood, a Mentor Book by Penguin._The

Way of Life: Lao Tzu_, tr. R.B. BlakneyAlso, I suggest reading the

actual words of Jesus, beginning with the_Gospel According to John_.

So much of Christianity is a laterelaboration... happens in all

faiths... go to the source and see what hewas saying. You might try

a different translation than whatever you'veread before.Do you

remember the story of Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee and a member

ofthe Sanhedrin, going secretly to consult Jesus? Who said to

him,"...unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

AndNicodemus asked him, "How can a man be born again when he is old?

Can heenter his mother's womb again and be born?"Jesus said, "Truly,

truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and theSpirit, he

cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh

isflesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit."Don't wonder

that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blowswhere it

wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where

itcomes from or where it goes, so it is with everyone who is born of

theSpirit."Nicodemus asked, "How can this be??"Jesus said, "Are you a

teacher of Israel, and yet you don't understand this??The word used

here for "Spirit" is "pneuma," which meant wind, breath,spirit...

You'll find the same thing in other old languages... and Ithink they

probably mean Kundalini too. The Tibetan term for the vitalforces is

"the winds," and the term for Kundalini is "the wind in thecentral

channel."Do you remember the day of Pentecost when the fire descended

on thedisciples? And the controversy (_Book of Acts_) about when to

give "thebaptism of the Spirit"? They were giving Shaktipat!!>and

share your expiriences with me that I might learn .It's good to learn

from others' experiences, but the best teacher you'llever find is the

teacher within you - your own inner guide, spiritual guru,High

Self... Listen for the voice of Spirit within you, and find

yourteacher.

:)Love,Dharma/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the

[Guest guest]

Hi Jennifer,

>How can I get rid of the fear?

 

Think about this: fear of any kind is useless. It does no good, makes no

difference in the outcome, and only makes you miserable. If you are afraid

that something might happen next week, next month, next year, you could

spend a lot of time worrying and being afraid. But all that time and

energy will not change whether the thing will happen or not. Whether it

happens or not, you will have spent all that time in the useless misery of

fear. If there is something you can do to influence the outcome, then

decide - and do it or don't do it. But don't waste all that time in fear.

 

Realizing the uselessness of fear, if you are really willing to give it up

and get rid of it, there are methods:

 

1) When you catch yourself feeling fear (or any negative emotion), observe

it to see what it is. Watch it carefully. Look closely, watch it - and it

will disappear.

 

2) Here is the Litany Against Fear from Frank Herbert's _Dune_.

>I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that

>brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass

>over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner

>eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only

>I will remain.

 

3) Give it to God. Tell him you need help to be rid of this fear, tell him

you give the fear to him, and ask him to take it from you.

 

The fear may be associated with other things in your mind and emotional

self: old habit patterns, things you learned long ago, limiting beliefs or

decisions that came from misunderstanding and became part of you, and so

on. So tell God that you also give him everything associated with the

fear, in any way. And ask him to take it all from you.

 

The fear may even be associated with other lives, so tell God that you give

it to him throughout the hologram - on all planes, in all times, in all

lives - and ask him to take it from you.

 

You can also ask for the violet light to burn those old habit patterns and

limiting decisions from every cell of your body, and for the white light to

fill the empty spaces. Visualize a spiral of violet and white light coming

down through your whole body and going back up again.

 

And say thank you.

[Guest guest]

3) Give it to God. Tell him you need help to be rid of this fear, tell him

you give the fear to him, and ask him to take it from you.

The fear may be associated with other things in your mind and emotional

self: old habit patterns, things you learned long ago, limiting beliefs or

decisions that came from misunderstanding and became part of you, and so

on. So tell God that you also give him everything associated with the

fear, in any way. And ask him to take it all from you.

The fear may even be associated with other lives, so tell God that you give

it to him throughout the hologram - on all planes, in all times, in all

lives - and ask him to take it from you.

You can also ask for the violet light to burn those old habit patterns and

limiting decisions from every cell of your body, and for the white light to

fill the empty spaces. Visualize a spiral of violet and white light coming

down through your whole body and going back up again.

And say thank you.

@@@@ Hello Dharma

this is a very good way to start..... but not effective enough in lots

of cases.... Just giving it to god/goddess or whomever you decide does

not just take the fear and release it from you.. It takes hard work

and time to face that fear, over and over and over again.. How many

times did I try that, just to know that it wasnt working, and still

trembled inside at the "imagined" fear. Heck, there are still times

something will come up and I will experience it again in different

areas, that I've not finished releasing, or have not even realized

was there.

Fear needs to be uncovered at the source... The only way to

successfully get rid of it permanently is to release it as many times

as it comes up, and face it fully and see the "silliness" of such fear

{even though the fear seems very real..... it is only an illusion}

I still have fear concerning the rape, it becomes less and less and

less as time goes by,but it is still there.... just waiting for the

right moment to remind me it is there. It is easy to get frustrated

when it arises again, and I go through the motions. remember, cry,

release, reason, realize....... and let it go.... it is amazing how

one event in one person's lifetime can extend little fingers of fear

in many many many different directions... That sometimes we are

experiencing fear, and dang when the time comes to reason and

realize, you follow the path backwards to discover the same source is

still controlling your reactions. And then of course, as I am want to

do, I stomp my foot and curse a little and ask "is this ever going to

go away" LOL and then its gone...{you know scare those ugly little

demons away..... they cant hold on anymore cause I dont let them}

It gets easier and easier, but the thing to remember is... Not once

will you have to give it to god/goddess/whomever but many times

will you have to let it go.... many times will you have to release

it.

Not to say that some fears once realized, are not gone completely....

That does happen, and how wonderfully peaceful that is..

Anyways, sorry I rambled on and on, but wanted Jennifer to know that

some fears take a long time and hard work.... And that is just

perfectly fine.... We do not begin to walk as soon as we are born....

first we need to crawl.....{adopted from something Wim told me once}

Love to you all this wonderful morning

Lynette

Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,

dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond

I am.

[Guest guest]

It's fine, but clearing them faster is better, IMO. )

lol.. yes, I do agree.... my purpose in replying was not so much for

myself Dharma, as I am doing all those things you mentioned...

Perhaps not in the same way, but in the way that I have found that

works for me. My intent was to get you to go deeper with your

instructions, I appreciate the expanded version on behalf of my

sister.

who, {and if I may, Jennifer} was just saying the other day, how many

times in her life time, has she sat down and prayed to God and asked

him to take away this fear, and take away that guilt... and how her

whole life, she never felt it worked... Has always continued to have

the fear and the guilt... And she would benefit from hearing the more

of your explanation.

thank you Dharma. I love you

Lynette

Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,

dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond

I am.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynette,

>>3) Give it to God. Tell him you need help to be rid of this fear, tell

>>him you give the fear to him, and ask him to take it from you.

>>

>> The fear may be associated with other things in your mind and emotional

>>self: old habit patterns, things you learned long ago, limiting beliefs

>>or decisions that came from misunderstanding and became part of you, and

>>so on. So tell God that you also give him everything associated with the

>>fear, in any way. And ask him to take it all from you.

>>

>> The fear may even be associated with other lives, so tell God that you

>>give it to him throughout the hologram - on all planes, in all times, in

>>all lives - and ask him to take it from you.

>>

>> You can also ask for the violet light to burn those old habit patterns

>>and limiting decisions from every cell of your body, and for the white

>>light to fill the empty spaces. Visualize a spiral of violet and white

>>light coming down through your whole body and going back up again.

>>

>> And say thank you.

>

>

> this is a very good way to start..... but not effective enough in lots

>of cases.... Just giving it to god/goddess or whomever you decide does

>not just take the fear and release it from you..

 

In my experience, this is an extremely effective method. But let's be

clear about what we're dealing with. The word "fear" covers so much. My

friend Lynea calls all the negative emotions the "fear-based" emotions, as

opposed to "love-based emotions." She lists "fear" among the negative

emotions but ALSO calls all of them "fear-based."

 

So "fear" includes so much! You're not going to just give all fear, ever,

to Goddess and then never be afraid again. )) But what you can give her

is the fear of the moment, the fear you're experiencing right now. A very

specific fear, a fear related to something specific. The fear you're

feeling is energy, and you can give it away. You CAN get rid of it.

 

This method works, and it is work! You have to work at it - you have to

very seriously USE it. No "just giving it to god/goddess or whomever you

decide." ))

 

You have to really WANT to be rid of this. The hardest stuff to clear is

what we don't really want to let go of. And this isn't always easy to

recognize. Sometimes we get into a whole way of life made of habit

patterns, habitual ways of acting and reacting, and the whole thing is

based on what happened and on having certain emotions. And to really give

them away and be rid of them would change more than we really want. When

you find some part of yourself, some small voice inside, that doesn't

really want to let go of this, then you have to sit down and consider this.

Why don't you want to let go of it? What benefit is it giving you? What

do you get out of having it? Do you really want to get rid of it more than

you want the benefit of having it? Can you give up this whole thing?

 

In such circumstances, I have simply turned it all over to God/dess.

"Goddess, there's a part of me that doesn't really want to be rid of

this... and I want to be rid of that hang-up too. Please help me. I give

it all to you, the fear and everything associated with it, even that crazy

wish to have it. It's a gift. Please take it from me."

 

And stay open to God/dess... let happen whatever will happen, let her take

it from you.

 

You may feel afraid that if you give up too much, there won't be anything

left of you. But the fear(s) are not YOU. Your emotions are not YOU.

Anything you can give up and get rid of wasn't YOU. And you won't be

diminished by losing the fears - you'll be freed up to express in more

positive, wonderful ways! If that fear bothers you, you can give that away

too.

>It takes hard work and time to face that fear, over and over and over

>again.. How many times did I try that, just to know that it wasnt

>working, and still trembled inside at the "imagined" fear.

> Fear needs to be uncovered at the source... The only way to successfully

>get rid of it permanently is to release it as many times as it comes up,

>and face it fully and see the "silliness" of such fear {even though the

>fear seems very real..... it is only an illusion}

 

Then give away the illusion and the imagined fear. It certainly does seem

very real at the time, and it's real enough to give to God/dess. Real

enough to clear it.

> I still have fear concerning the rape, it becomes less and less and less

>as time goes by,but it is still there.... just waiting for the right

>moment to remind me it is there. It is easy to get frustrated when it

>arises again, and I go through the motions. remember, cry, release,

>reason, realize....... and let it go.... it is amazing how one event in

>one person's lifetime can extend little fingers of fear in many many many

>different directions... That sometimes we are experiencing fear, and dang

>when the time comes to reason and realize, you follow the path backwards

>to discover the same source is still controlling your reactions.

 

Then that's what you have to tackle. Reactions, actions, reactions -

that's karma. Habit patterns of action and reaction. You need to somehow

break through that, wipe out that pattern.

 

I have not had that particular experience. I've been raped, but not in the

kind of circumstances that would create great fear. But my daughter did

have that kind of experience, and I know the effects are long-lasting.

 

Not having faced that one myself, I can only make some suggestions. What

happened is in the past. What are you afraid of now? Being raped again?

Then take all the usual precautions. Lock your car doors, at night

especially. Don't walk past dark alleys, even if you have to walk down the

middle of the street. And so on...

 

My daughter tells me one precaution is not to LOOK LIKE a rape victim. A

rapist looks for someone who looks vulnerable, someone who can be hurt. So

when you go out alone at night, don't wear that fur coat and the long hair.

Look tougher than that - wear a leather jacket, maybe. And don't walk like

someone scared and tentative. Walk with assurance and power, walk like a

tough gal that a rapist wouldn't care to mess with. If it's playing a

part, then play the part well. )

 

Fear is useful only if it causes us to avoid being hurt - snatch the hand

from the fire, stay away from dark alleys... So take all the precautions,

and then you can afford to give the fear away. Ask for protection and

guidance, and trust!

 

A researcher told me that violence (and rape is violence, not sex) causes

women to lose self-esteem. So maybe you need to work on regaining your

sense of personal power, your self-esteem. How about studying a martial

art? Not that I think you'd need to use it, but I think it might give you

self-assurance and a sense of power and accomplishment.

 

I wonder, is there something else mixed in with the fear? Is there grief?

Is there anger? Maybe you need to clear the anger too, give it up. And to

do that, I think you'd have to be able to forgive, completely.

 

What would it take to give up the whole thing and all the bad effects of

it? To really get past it? Maybe you'll come up with something that I'd

never think of. But you speak of going to the source - I'd spend some time

thinking that over. What would it take?

> It gets easier and easier, but the thing to remember is... Not once will

>you have to give it to god/goddess/whomever but many times will you

>have to let it go.... many times will you have to release it.

 

If the same fear keeps coming up after you think you've cleared it, there

may be very early "limiting beliefs" or "limiting decisions" involved.

Hard to find and hard to get rid of if you can't find them. Lynea gives a

workshop on how to find those LDs and clear them. And I teach a method of

rigorous and extensive clearing of all kinds of karmic stuff, emotional and

otherwise... but one needs active Kundalini to use it. So there are other

methods, but the give-it-to-God method is very effective.

 

I might add that if fears or other emotions come up after being cleared, it

could be that you're starting to do karmic clearing for other people. At

some point, that does begin, and it's a service. At that point, it hardly

matters whether it's your own stuff or someone else's. You just clear as

soon as it comes up.

> Not to say that some fears once realized, are not gone completely....

>That does happen, and how wonderfully peaceful that is..

 

Yes.

> Anyways, sorry I rambled on and on, but wanted Jennifer to know that some

>fears take a long time and hard work.... And that is just perfectly

>fine....

 

It's fine, but clearing them faster is better, IMO. )

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

Hi Jennifer,

 

I thought of one more, so here's number 4! It's the hand positions for

clearing the negative emotions. This won't clear it all forever, but they

work very well at the moment... and then you'll want to use them again

later. Whenever the emotion arises.

 

This is copyrighted, but Lynea gives permission to pass it along. Just

include the last lines.

----------------

 

CLEARING THE EMOTIONAL BODY

 

 

ABANDONMENT: Both hands on Back (lower rib cage), Thumbs on Hip Bone,

Fingers towards the Spine

 

ANGER: Stand up. Gently lean back and Touch behind the Left Knee with Left

Fingertips

 

FEAR: Place Heels of Hands on PelvicBone, Fingers slightly angled

downwards towards the Pubic Bone / Groin

 

GRIEF: Place end of palm of Right Hand on Navel, Fingers pointing

downward. Place Left Hand on Back side, same position

 

GUILT: Place Right Hand on Sacrum, Fingers down, Middle Finger at Tailbone

 

HATRED: Left Hand over Thymus; Right Hand on back of Neck, covering where

Neck and Back meet

 

RESENTMENT: Right Hand over Thymus, Left on lower Back

 

SADNESS: Left Hand over Sacrum, Middle Finger on Tailbone

 

SELF-SABOTAGE: Right Hand over Solar Plexus (palm joint of Little Finger

is at Navel)

 

WORRY: Stand up. Grab Buttocks, fingertips in fold

 

 

* If holding the position is uncomfortable in the beginning, check for

Violet Light issue or Vibrational / Intuitive Body misalignment, which must

be cleared first.

* When you hold the position, it will eventually become uncomfortable. That

is the sign that the emotional body is clear.

* Unlike Violet Light Issues, the Emotional Body may need future clearings

for the same feeling.

 

From The lllume-A-Nation Institute Copyright 1996 Lynea S. Weatherly

This page may be reproduced to share with others wanting to learn these

hand-positions.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynette,

>>It's fine, but clearing them faster is better, IMO. )

>

> lol.. yes, I do agree.... my purpose in replying was not so much for

>myself Dharma, as I am doing all those things you mentioned... Perhaps

>not in the same way, but in the way that I have found that works for me.

>My intent was to get you to go deeper with your instructions, I

>appreciate the expanded version on behalf of my sister.

>

> who, {and if I may, Jennifer} was just saying the other day, how many

>times in her life time, has she sat down and prayed to God and asked him

>to take away this fear, and take away that guilt... and how her whole

>life, she never felt it worked... Has always continued to have the fear

>and the guilt... And she would benefit from hearing the more of your

>explanation.

 

I'll be interested to hear how the hand positions are working for her.

They're not permanent solutions, but they work well. The one for fear:

>FEAR: Place Heels of Hands on Pelvic Bone, Fingers slightly angled

>downwards towards the Pubic Bone / Groin

 

is what Lynea calls the Cowboy Position. She says now you know why all

those cowboys stand around with their hands in their jeans pockets. ))))

It's one you can do anywhere, and you just look like you're standing with

your hands on your hips.

> thank you Dharma. I love you

 

I love you too, honey.

 

Dharma

[Guest guest]

, Dharma <deva@L...> wrote:

> Hi Lynette,

>

> >>It's fine, but clearing them faster is better, IMO. )

> >

> > lol.. yes, I do agree.... my purpose in replying was not so much

for

> >myself Dharma, as I am doing all those things you mentioned...

Perhaps

> >not in the same way, but in the way that I have found that works

for me.

> >My intent was to get you to go deeper with your instructions, I

> >appreciate the expanded version on behalf of my sister.

> >

> > who, {and if I may, Jennifer} was just saying the other day, how

many

> >times in her life time, has she sat down and prayed to God and

asked him

> >to take away this fear, and take away that guilt... and how her

whole

> >life, she never felt it worked... Has always continued to have

the fear

> >and the guilt... And she would benefit from hearing the more of

your

> >explanation.

>

> I'll be interested to hear how the hand positions are working for

her.

> They're not permanent solutions, but they work well. The one for

fear:

>

> >FEAR: Place Heels of Hands on Pelvic Bone, Fingers slightly angled

> >downwards towards the Pubic Bone / Groin

>

> is what Lynea calls the Cowboy Position. She says now you know why

all

> those cowboys stand around with their hands in their jeans

pockets. ))))

> It's one you can do anywhere, and you just look like you're

standing with

> your hands on your hips.

>

> > thank you Dharma. I love you

>

> I love you too, honey.

>

> Dharma

 

 

 

Dharma& Lynette,

Thank you for your help and advice. I want you to know that even

if I don't respond doesn't mean I don't care. I am doing alote of

meditating and reading lately. So I have sent all your posts to my

msn account so that I might study them in depth. Lynette I love you

so much!!!!Thank you again.

 

peace be with you,

Jennifer