life changing experiences/Dharma

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Do you remember the story of Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee and a member of

the Sanhedrin, going secretly to consult Jesus? Who said to him,

"...unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." And

Nicodemus asked him, "How can a man be born again when he is old? Can he

enter his mother's womb again and be born?"

Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and the

Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is

flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.

"Don't wonder that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows

where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it

comes from or where it goes, so it is with everyone who is born of the

Spirit."

Nicodemus asked, "How can this be??"

Jesus said, "Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you don't understand this??

The word used here for "Spirit" is "pneuma," which meant wind, breath,

spirit... You'll find the same thing in other old languages... and I

think they probably mean Kundalini too. The Tibetan term for the vital

forces is "the winds," and the term for Kundalini is "the wind in the

central channel."

Do you remember the day of Pentecost when the fire descended on the

disciples? And the controversy (_Book of Acts_) about when to give "the

baptism of the Spirit"? They were giving Shaktipat!!

>and share your expiriences with me that I might learn .

It's good to learn from others' experiences, but the best teacher you'll

ever find is the teacher within you - your own inner guide, spiritual guru,

High Self... Listen for the voice of Spirit within you, and find your

teacher.

Wonderful Dharma, truly wonderful..... Thank you so much for sharing

those passages.... when read with a different light there is so much

more to see.... It may be time I return to some of those old passages

and reread them, and see what they tell me now that I see things

differently. How are you btw???

Lynette

Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,

dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond

I am.

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, JustLynette@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/11/01 9:07:08 PM Central Daylight Time,

> deva@L... writes:

>

>

> > Do you remember the story of Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee and a

member of

> > the Sanhedrin, going secretly to consult Jesus? Who said to him,

> > "...unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

And

> > Nicodemus asked him, "How can a man be born again when he is

old? Can he

> > enter his mother's womb again and be born?"

> >

> > Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of

water and the

> > Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born

of flesh is

> > flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.

> >

> > "Don't wonder that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The

wind blows

> > where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know

where it

> > comes from or where it goes, so it is with everyone who is born

of the

> > Spirit."

> >

> > Nicodemus asked, "How can this be??"

> >

> > Jesus said, "Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you don't

understand

> > this??

> >

> > The word used here for "Spirit" is "pneuma," which meant wind,

breath,

> > spirit... You'll find the same thing in other old languages...

and I

> > think they probably mean Kundalini too. The Tibetan term for the

vital

> > forces is "the winds," and the term for Kundalini is "the wind in

the

> > central channel."

> >

> > Do you remember the day of Pentecost when the fire descended on

the

> > disciples? And the controversy (_Book of Acts_) about when to

give "the

> > baptism of the Spirit"? They were giving Shaktipat!!

> >

> > >and share your expiriences with me that I might learn .

> >

> > It's good to learn from others' experiences, but the best teacher

you'll

> > ever find is the teacher within you - your own inner guide,

spiritual guru,

> > High Self... Listen for the voice of Spirit within you, and find

your

> > teacher.

> >

> >

>

> Wonderful Dharma, truly wonderful..... Thank you so much for

sharing those

> passages.... when read with a different light there is so much more

to

> see.... It may be time I return to some of those old passages and

reread

> them, and see what they tell me now that I see things differently.

> How are you btw???

> Lynette

>

> Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,

> dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond

> I am.

The Truth, the mystery is always and everywhere calling out to be

known.

 

In Its beloved mercy

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enlightenment is progressive.....or as white wolfe once said to

mark....the heresies that men do leave are hated most by those they

did deceive.....i follow the middle way....ananda, sat,

chit......^^~~~~~

further up and further in,

white wolfe

 

Beautifully put.... thank you )))

Lynette

Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,

dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond

I am.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynette,

> Wonderful Dharma, truly wonderful..... Thank you so much for sharing

>those passages.... when read with a different light there is so much more

>to see.... It may be time I return to some of those old passages

 

You say "those old passages" because you've heard them over and over and

over, and it gets to be Yadada yadada yadada in your ears. )) That's why

it helps to use a different translation than you've known, or even find

several different translations and compare them.

 

Those books are the story of a man's life - mostly just a few years of his

life - and what he taught. Try to discard what you've been told he said

and did, and read to find out what he really did and said.

 

The book by John is the one most loved by mystics. It's the most gnostic

of the gospels, and to me it seems closest to the spirit of Jesus.

 

Some gnostic gospels have been discovered that you might be interested in

looking into. We think the gospels included in the Bible were edited...

those gnostic gospels may contain material that was cut out of the

canonical books.

>How are you btw???

 

I'm fine, thanks, honey. Hope everything is well with you.

 

Love,

Dharma

[Guest guest]

> Some gnostic gospels have been discovered that you might be

interested in> looking into. We think the gospels included in the

Bible were edited...> those gnostic gospels may contain material that

was cut out of the> canonical books. >

beloveds all....

 

"how much difference is there between right and wrong...."

-Lao Tzu

 

.....the teachings of all great teachers are 'edited' or re-interpreted

endlessly....the mystery of the divine is that it is continuously

manifesting itself in endlessly new ways....the theological

developments between the various religions are remarkably similar and

in fact parallel one another....consider, if you are interested the

arise of paternalism/asceticism within the great religions....look at

the role of woman in the new testament, for example....i specifically

recommendment you read closely the four accounts of "the empty

tomb'....women are progressively denigrated partly in reaction to the

temple prostitution common in greece and rome and partially under the

influence of the male dominated culture out of which Peter and Paul

arose and partially as an attempt to address the duality between the

carnal and the divine....for a refreshing point of view on the role

of women read the gnostic Gospel of Thomas.....today we still

struggle with the duality between the material and spiritual

world....Nisaragadatta is one of the first to turn his back on the

tradition of ascetic and chaste monasticism and return to his wife

and family....i constantly remind myself of the words of St.

Benedict....give us the search for salvation (denial of the self), it

is selfish....within advaita, i am always reminded of

arjuna.....enlightenment occurs through devotion service to

others.....i hope this rambling response makes some sort of

sense....non-duality means to be in the world but not of the world to

quote Jesus.....all the various attempts at re-interpreting divine

writings are an attempt to resolve the duality that language creates

between the material and the spiritual world.....neither masculine

nor feminine, neither material nor spiritual, neither self nor

not-self, neither orthodox nor heretical but in what lies beyond even

these the divine can be discovered endlessly unfolding itself to us

and humbling us into silence, wonder and awe....in short, beware of

those who proclaim themselves to be teachers, they are out to sell

you something.....the canonical books got there because someone

decided that what someone's thought or felt was either wrong or ugly

or both.....enlightenment is progressive.....or as white wolfe once

said to mark....the heresies that men do leave are hated most by

those they did deceive.....i follow the middle way....ananda, sat,

chit......^^~~~~~

 

further up and further in,

 

white wolfe