RE: Professor of Yoga Philosophy and Welcoming JerryBiberman

[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone. I am happy to be joining this discussion group, and I

want to thank Harsha for his kind description of me. I met Harsha at the

recent Academy of Management meetins in Washington, DC. This year we

had the first full program for the Management, Spirituality and Religion

interest group that I was involved in founding. It has been a joy to be

able to teach, write about, and present sessions on topics that are near

and dear to my heart. A little bit about me:

 

I’ve been doing hatha yoga for over 25 years, and have been meditating

since 1981. Although I was raised conservative Jewish, I was really not

 

very religious. I really became interested in Jewish mysticism and

Kaballah after praying the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius

Loyola over a two and a half year period beginning around 1987. Those

exercises involve praying over passages in the New Testament. Since I

teach at a Jesuit university, I was always interested in the Ignatian

spiritual exercises. My experience of the exercises drew me back into

Judaism, and prompted me to study Kaballah. I was fortunate to

experience attending a ten-day “Wisdom School” in 1989 taught by Zalman

Schachter and Eve Ilsen. I have, since then, also studied the Silva

Method, read and taken a workshop with Mantak Chia, attended several

weekends at Omega Institute, and learned tai chi and several other types

 

of meditation.

 

As I stated above, I feel really grateful to have been able to apply my

experiences to my professional work in teaching management courses at a

Jesuit University. Below is a description of my professional

activities:

 

I am Chair of the Management/Marketing Department and Professor of

Management of the University of Scranton. I write, teach, consult,

speak, and conduct workshops in the areas of work and spirituality and

organization recovery and transformation.

 

I am co-editor, with Michael Whitty, Professor of Management, College of

Business, University of Detroit-Mercy of "Work and Spirit: a Reader of

New Spiritual Paradigms for Organizations", published by the University

of Scranton Press. I am a founder and current chair of the Management,

Spirituality and Religion interest group of the Academy of Management,

and co-founder and track chair of the Spirituality in Organizations

track of the International Academy of Business Disciples (IABD).

 

I’m really looking forward to ongoing dialog with you all.

 

Peace.

 

Jerry Biberman

www.workingwizdom.com

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the introduction Jerry. You have a rich background in many

different philosophies and practices and we look forward to your sharing on

the list and the website magazine as well.

 

Love

Harsha

 

 

Jerry Biberman [bibermang1]

Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:42 AM

Re: Professor of Yoga Philosophy and Welcoming

JerryBiberman

 

 

Hi, everyone. I am happy to be joining this discussion group, and I

want to thank Harsha for his kind description of me. I met Harsha at the

recent Academy of Management meetins in Washington, DC. This year we

had the first full program for the Management, Spirituality and Religion

interest group that I was involved in founding. It has been a joy to be

able to teach, write about, and present sessions on topics that are near

and dear to my heart. A little bit about me:

 

I’ve been doing hatha yoga for over 25 years, and have been meditating

since 1981. Although I was raised conservative Jewish, I was really not

 

very religious. I really became interested in Jewish mysticism and

Kaballah after praying the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius

Loyola over a two and a half year period beginning around 1987. Those

exercises involve praying over passages in the New Testament. Since I

teach at a Jesuit university, I was always interested in the Ignatian

spiritual exercises. My experience of the exercises drew me back into

Judaism, and prompted me to study Kaballah. I was fortunate to

experience attending a ten-day “Wisdom School” in 1989 taught by Zalman

Schachter and Eve Ilsen. I have, since then, also studied the Silva

Method, read and taken a workshop with Mantak Chia, attended several

weekends at Omega Institute, and learned tai chi and several other types

 

of meditation.

 

As I stated above, I feel really grateful to have been able to apply my

experiences to my professional work in teaching management courses at a

Jesuit University. Below is a description of my professional

activities:

 

I am Chair of the Management/Marketing Department and Professor of

Management of the University of Scranton. I write, teach, consult,

speak, and conduct workshops in the areas of work and spirituality and

organization recovery and transformation.

 

I am co-editor, with Michael Whitty, Professor of Management, College of

Business, University of Detroit-Mercy of "Work and Spirit: a Reader of

New Spiritual Paradigms for Organizations", published by the University

of Scranton Press. I am a founder and current chair of the Management,

Spirituality and Religion interest group of the Academy of Management,

and co-founder and track chair of the Spirituality in Organizations

track of the International Academy of Business Disciples (IABD).

 

I’m really looking forward to ongoing dialog with you all.

 

Peace.

 

Jerry Biberman

www.workingwizdom.com

 

 

 

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

, Jerry Biberman <bibermang1@s...> wrote:

>

> As I stated above, I feel really grateful to have been able to

apply my

> experiences to my professional work in teaching management courses

at a

> Jesuit University. Below is a description of my professional

> activities:

>

> I am Chair of the Management/Marketing Department and Professor of

> Management of the University of Scranton. I write, teach, consult,

> speak, and conduct workshops in the areas of work and spirituality

and

> organization recovery and transformation.

>

> I am co-editor, with Michael Whitty, Professor of Management,

College of

> Business, University of Detroit-Mercy of "Work and Spirit: a Reader

of

> New Spiritual Paradigms for Organizations", published by the

University

> of Scranton Press. I am a founder and current chair of the

Management,

> Spirituality and Religion interest group of the Academy of

Management,

> and co-founder and track chair of the Spirituality in Organizations

> track of the International Academy of Business Disciples (IABD).

>

> I'm really looking forward to ongoing dialog with you all.

>

> Peace.

>

> Jerry Biberman

> www.workingwizdom.com

 

Dear Jerry,

 

When I read or hear of this type of influence being exhibited in the

workplace, it does make me thankful that those such as yourself,

are doing this kind of work in the world. What a beautiful

transformation I have seen in friends who have incorporated these

ideals into their workplace. Perhaps later you could explain more

about what you teach and how it is put into good use in the

workplace. Welcome Jerry.

 

Love, Always Love,

Mazie

[Guest guest]

, sraddha54@h... wrote:> >

>

> Dear Jerry,

>

> When I read or hear of this type of influence being exhibited in the

> workplace, it does make me thankful that those such as yourself,

> are doing this kind of work in the world. What a beautiful

> transformation I have seen in friends who have incorporated these

> ideals into their workplace. Perhaps later you could explain more

> about what you teach and how it is put into good use in the

> workplace. Welcome Jerry.

>

> Love, Always Love,

> Mazie

 

Namaste Mazie,

 

How far would you take this right type of occupation? Would you work

for the CIA or Pentagon,or any other country's intelligences, for

example when you know they are murdering people in Colombia,

suppressing movements to emancipate peasants and indigenous peoples?

 

Would you work at a university that carries out horrendous experiments

on animals?

 

Or would just having a love in at lunch break take care of it all?

 

It seems to me that this type of spirituality, although it appeals to

the trendy pseudo intellectual doens't contribute much and may even

harm spiritual progress for turning it into another capitalist

occupation like power yoga etc.

 

I am accused of abuse because of my blunt style, sorry I'm not an

intellectual and love isn't warm fuzzies and self indulgent

reflections of reciprocal words or even pig poetry.

 

To me love talks and bs walks.

 

Vivekanada said: " The word love is very difficult to understand. Love

never comes until there is freedom, from worldly attachments and ego.

There is no true love possible to a slave. Every act of love brings

happiness. There is no act of love which does not bring peace and

blessedness in return. Sat, real existence, Chit, real knowledge,

Prema, real love are intemately connected with one another, where one

is the others must also be---Sat chit ananda."

 

The Saguna Brahman.

 

Including myself, I see not many qualifying do you? Warm fuzzies and

nice meetings don't cut it........ONS.....Tony.

[Guest guest]

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> , sraddha54@h... wrote:> >

> >

> > Dear Jerry,

> >

> > When I read or hear of this type of influence being exhibited in

the

> > workplace, it does make me thankful that those such as yourself,

> > are doing this kind of work in the world. What a beautiful

> > transformation I have seen in friends who have incorporated

these

> > ideals into their workplace. Perhaps later you could explain more

> > about what you teach and how it is put into good use in the

> > workplace. Welcome Jerry.

> >

> > Love, Always Love,

> > Mazie

>

> Namaste Mazie,

>

> How far would you take this right type of occupation? Would you

work

> for the CIA or Pentagon,or any other country's intelligences, for

> example when you know they are murdering people in Colombia,

> suppressing movements to emancipate peasants and indigenous peoples?

>

> Would you work at a university that carries out horrendous

experiments

> on animals?

>

> Or would just having a love in at lunch break take care of it all?

 

Dearest Tony,

 

Where but the trenches and tunnels of human experience en masse,

would the Light be needed most? You do not see the world as I do, and

even in your denying that the world exists, you still get righteously

worked-up over the happenings of the world. Positive thinking about

even the most dire and horrendous appearances of the world could

actually help alleviate the very things you decry. Ah Tony, sweet

Tony, look at The Beauty! Neem Karoli Baba had it. "Can't you see

it's all perfect!?"

 

Love, Love,

Mazie

>

> It seems to me that this type of spirituality, although it appeals

to

> the trendy pseudo intellectual doens't contribute much and may even

> harm spiritual progress for turning it into another capitalist

> occupation like power yoga etc.

>

> I am accused of abuse because of my blunt style, sorry I'm not an

> intellectual and love isn't warm fuzzies and self indulgent

> reflections of reciprocal words or even pig poetry.

>

> To me love talks and bs walks.

>

> Vivekanada said: " The word love is very difficult to understand.

Love

> never comes until there is freedom, from worldly attachments and

ego.

> There is no true love possible to a slave. Every act of love brings

> happiness. There is no act of love which does not bring peace and

> blessedness in return. Sat, real existence, Chit, real knowledge,

> Prema, real love are intemately connected with one another, where

one

> is the others must also be---Sat chit ananda."

>

> The Saguna Brahman.

>

> Including myself, I see not many qualifying do you? Warm fuzzies

and

> nice meetings don't cut it........ONS.....Tony.

[Guest guest]

, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> > , sraddha54@h... wrote:> >

Dearest Tony,

>

> Where but the trenches and tunnels of human experience en masse,

> would the Light be needed most? You do not see the world as I do,

and

> even in your denying that the world exists, you still get

righteously

> worked-up over the happenings of the world. Positive thinking about

> even the most dire and horrendous appearances of the world could

> actually help alleviate the very things you decry. Ah Tony, sweet

> Tony, look at The Beauty! Neem Karoli Baba had it. "Can't you see

> it's all perfect!?"

>

> Love, Love,

> Mazie

 

Namaste Mazie,

 

That's fine for Koroli Baba, but if one isn't realised then it is just

words. Only a jivanmukti could really say that with all honesty.

 

I'm afraid my experience of life is usually Murphy's Law, and these

kind of love ins by the middle class just lead to more dilution and

distortion of the teachings in the West.

 

I'm anti Capitalist but not Pro-Communist either. Mainly because it

hasn't been tried for thousands of years and lacks a spiritual

dimension. I knew 'Communism', would falter for it was based on an

illusion. Capitalims succeeds for it exploits the baser human nature

and greed. No more about that.

 

So as Sankara says, it is real whilst you are in it. So we have to

deal with it........ONS......Tony.

[Guest guest]

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste Mazie,

>

> That's fine for Koroli Baba, but if one isn't realised then it is

just

> words. Only a jivanmukti could really say that with all honesty.

 

Dearest Tony,

 

Am I to take it that since you are not a jivanmukti, (I don't recall

you saying you were one) that there is no honesty in the words you

write? In the words you say? How am I to believe you now Tony?

Perhaps through reciprocal trust of our loving intent we may always

believe one another. And were we to ever do otherwise, may we be more

compassionate than ever to one another for sharing of the experience

together. Forget the past Tony, forget everything that has gone on

before this moment. Just revel in how perfect it all is. Will you

believe me Tony, even though I am not a jivanmukti? Will you trust

that my love for you would never allow me to decieve you? My love

isn't warm and fuzzy Tony, it's a blazing fire, a raging inferno of

love. Come Tony, come play with me and we'll garland one another in

jasmines blossoms.

 

With Love, Ablaze,

Mazie

>

> I'm afraid my experience of life is usually Murphy's Law, and these

> kind of love ins by the middle class just lead to more dilution and

> distortion of the teachings in the West.

>

> I'm anti Capitalist but not Pro-Communist either. Mainly because it

> hasn't been tried for thousands of years and lacks a spiritual

> dimension. I knew 'Communism', would falter for it was based on an

> illusion. Capitalims succeeds for it exploits the baser human

nature

> and greed. No more about that.

>

> So as Sankara says, it is real whilst you are in it. So we have to

> deal with it........ONS......Tony.

[Guest guest]

, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste Mazie,

> >

> > That's fine for Koroli Baba, but if one isn't realised then it is

> just

> > words. Only a jivanmukti could really say that with all honesty.

>

> Dearest Tony,

>

> Am I to take it that since you are not a jivanmukti, (I don't recall

> you saying you were one) that there is no honesty in the words you

> write? In the words you say? How am I to believe you now Tony?

> Perhaps through reciprocal trust of our loving intent we may always

> believe one another. And were we to ever do otherwise, may we be

more

> compassionate than ever to one another for sharing of the experience

> together. Forget the past Tony, forget everything that has gone on

> before this moment. Just revel in how perfect it all is. Will you

> believe me Tony, even though I am not a jivanmukti? Will you trust

> that my love for you would never allow me to decieve you? My love

> isn't warm and fuzzy Tony, it's a blazing fire, a raging inferno of

> love. Come Tony, come play with me and we'll garland one another in

> jasmines blossoms.

>

> With Love, Ablaze,

> Mazie

 

Namaste Mazie,

 

You misunderstand. My point was that it is impossible to see the world

as Karoli Baba says, unless one is a jivanmukti. Only God can see God

as the world. We see it as a relative reality. Warm fuzzies and pig

poetry or not.......Ignoring injustice is himsa........ONS....Tony.

[Guest guest]

, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

>

> Namaste Mazie,

>

> ...Ignoring injustice is himsa........ONS....Tony.

 

Dearest Tony,

 

Is it? You don't say so? Let's have a sing-along Tony, here goes -

 

Bringin' in the sheaths,

Bringin' in the sheaths,

We will come rejoicing,

Bringin' in the sheeeaaaths!

 

Or was it sheep?

 

I think we should sing-along more often Tony. Kirtan at 2:00 work for

you?

 

Love to You Tony,

Mazie

[Guest guest]

Someone wrote [[We see it as a relative reality.]]

** From my experience, I have learned it is not wise to speak in

such generalities.

 

Om Santi ...

Yogini Sakti

[Guest guest]

, hamsayogini@a... wrote:

> Someone wrote [[We see it as a relative reality.]]

> ** From my experience, I have learned it is not wise to speak in

> such generalities.

>

> Om Santi ...

> Yogini Sakti

 

Namaste Yogini,

 

Yes I wrote that. However it may be my lack of expression, that is

confusing.

 

If one is realised then one sees the world as the universal.

 

If one isn't realised then one sees it as real, even though it is only

relatively real. Real whilst one is in it.

 

That's pretty specific not much generalising there......ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

Ah, Mazie! This is so BEAUTIFUL!

Makes me sing and dance!

"Mazie Ablazey"

Forget the past Tony, forget everything that has gone on before this

moment. Just revel in how perfect it all is. Will you believe me

Tony, even though I am not a jivanmukti? Will you trust that my love

for you would never allow me to decieve you? My love isn't warm and

fuzzy Tony, it's a blazing fire, a raging inferno of love. Come Tony,

come play with me and we'll garland one another in jasmines blossoms.

With Love, Ablaze,Mazie

[Guest guest]

, sraddha54@h... wrote:

> , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Mazie,

> >

> > ...Ignoring injustice is himsa........ONS....Tony.

>

> Dearest Tony,

>

> Is it? You don't say so? Let's have a sing-along Tony, here goes -

>

> Bringin' in the sheaths,

> Bringin' in the sheaths,

> We will come rejoicing,

> Bringin' in the sheeeaaaths!

 

My Dearest Tony,

 

Rereading this message to you, I must apologize for my trite and

meaningless message to you. I do not feel comfortable with my

behavior in this instance. It is not acceptable. I apologize my

friend. Being sarcastic and then thinking oneself witty and clever

is not a persona that sits well. Forgive me Tony for my

thoughtlessness. I do love you so Tony. Here is a mango and rose

offering.

 

With Love,

Mazie

>

> Or was it sheep?

>

> I think we should sing-along more often Tony. Kirtan at 2:00 work

for

> you?

>

> Love to You Tony,

> Mazie