Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Hi, Greg. Thanks for the welcome. I think this interest in spirituality at work goes beyond the United States. I know of interested academics in Australia, New Zealand, India, England and in the Middle East. Peace. Jerry Gregory Goode wrote: > Welcome Jerry, > > Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were interested > in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed light in > the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest in > spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? > > This wisdom in the workplace - it's catching on here in the Big Apple at my > law firm of approx. 2000 people. Several folks from my department > (Information Systems) have just in the last few years begun hatha yoga, > shoto-kan, meditation, Reiki, etc. Another colleague manages a firm-wide > Christian discussion group. > > Love, > > --Greg > > At 12:20 PM 8/15/01 -0400, Jerry Biberman wrote: > > >> Hi, everyone. I am happy to be joining this discussion group, and I > >> want to thank Harsha for his kind description of me. I met Harsha at the > >> recent Academy of Management meetins in Washington, DC. This year we > >> had the first full program for the Management, Spirituality and Religion > >> interest group that I was involved in founding. It has been a joy to be > >> able to teach, write about, and present sessions on topics that are near > >> and dear to my heart. A little bit about me: > >> > >> I’ve been doing hatha yoga for over 25 years, and have been meditating > >> since 1981. Although I was raised conservative Jewish, I was really not > >> > >> very religious. I really became interested in Jewish mysticism and > >> Kaballah after praying the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius > >> Loyola over a two and a half year period beginning around 1987. Those > >> exercises involve praying over passages in the New Testament. Since I > >> teach at a Jesuit university, I was always interested in the Ignatian > >> spiritual exercises. My experience of the exercises drew me back into > >> Judaism, and prompted me to study Kaballah. I was fortunate to > >> experience attending a ten-day “Wisdom School” in 1989 taught by Zalman > >> Schachter and Eve Ilsen. I have, since then, also studied the Silva > >> Method, read and taken a workshop with Mantak Chia, attended several > >> weekends at Omega Institute, and learned tai chi and several other types > >> > >> of meditation. > >> > >> As I stated above, I feel really grateful to have been able to apply my > >> experiences to my professional work in teaching management courses at a > >> Jesuit University. Below is a description of my professional > >> activities: > >> > >> I am Chair of the Management/Marketing Department and Professor of > >> Management of the University of Scranton. I write, teach, consult, > >> speak, and conduct workshops in the areas of work and spirituality and > >> organization recovery and transformation. > >> > >> I am co-editor, with Michael Whitty, Professor of Management, College of > >> Business, University of Detroit-Mercy of "Work and Spirit: a Reader of > >> New Spiritual Paradigms for Organizations", published by the University > >> of Scranton Press. I am a founder and current chair of the Management, > >> Spirituality and Religion interest group of the Academy of Management, > >> and co-founder and track chair of the Spirituality in Organizations > >> track of the International Academy of Business Disciples (IABD). > >> > >> I’m really looking forward to ongoing dialog with you all. > >> > >> Peace. > >> > >> Jerry Biberman > >> www.workingwizdom.com > >> > >> /join > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > >> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > >> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > >> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. > >> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > >> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > >> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously > >> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > >> > >> Your use of is subject to > >> > >> /join > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of is subject to > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > >Attachment Converted: "h:\pc\mail\attach\bibermang12.vcf" > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > Your use of is subject to Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 In a message dated 8/15/01 2:41:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, goode writes: << My colleagues who have even done two yoga classes feel better, and act in such a way as to make others feel better. My colleagues feel better. Now it's easier for others to work around them, there's overall less stress, more tolerance, more peace, and actually more positive energy. >> Early in my kundalini explosion, I had a "vision" that every expansion in consciousness served to "feed" the universe. These expansions happen millions of times a minute and across all of life. Even if a little ant has a tiny, but glorious, ant-epiphany, this is just as valuable as a human being suddenly comprehending the origins of a cross remark or, one day, the illusion of self. Love moving in one place is the same as love moving in another. Holly P.S. I'm hoping this comes through, most of my posts haven't been making it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Namaste Wim. I don't consider crap a swear word, it is a made up word anyway. However I just wonder how many of these comfortabel middle class office workers and academics, stepped over a sleeping homeless person or walked by a dispossessed beggar, on their way to their trendy spiritual discussion. There's a lot of trendy stuff around for the designer label crowd, like power yoga and such as well. hahahahahONS....Tony. Anything that brings one comfort should be embraced by the one. Perhaps with enough meditation, they may awaken their eyes and see the homeless they walk over. Tony, there is alot of things you say that are "trendy" or rather should I say, book learned, or book taught, or listened to - learned. how much have you experienced? I'm not challenging you, in any way..... but I have watched you over the past few weeks, belittle the ones who do not live up to your standards. The pedophile, and now the "trendy" people who walk over the homeless.... A compassionate person sees both side of the coin... Sees the victim and aids, and sees the aggressor and aids. How can I say this??? Being a rape victim myself at the age of 6 yrs old. And others like me, being in a position of victimhood. Shall we stand hand in hand in anger and point our fingers at all the rapists.... Or shall I seek to understand why he did what he felt he had to do? If someone like me can see that we all suffer equally, and we all express it differently, and that we all are in need of love and healing, then why cant we all see this? Open your eyes Lynette Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union, dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Welcome Jerry, > > Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were interested > in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed light in > the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest in > spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? Namaste Greg, My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. Just tasting surface stuff, not jumping in......ONS......Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. > Just tasting surface stuff, not jumping in... I thought you were cleansing your "sheaths," but it seems Tony, that you are spotting "crap" all over the place, are you projecting it by chance... I'm not sure if I would like to visualize how you are doing that... :-) Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Hello Tony, Not everyone's motive is total liberation. Even a casual "spirituality-only-at-work" approach helps alleviate suffering. My colleagues who have even done two yoga classes feel better, and act in such a way as to make others feel better. My colleagues feel better. Now it's easier for others to work around them, there's overall less stress, more tolerance, more peace, and actually more positive energy. This is what many people are looking for. And they can't hide their more peaceful feelings, it actually has made some of my colleagues start to think, "Hmm, maybe there's more to this...." Love, --Greg At 07:36 PM 8/15/01 -0000, Tony O'Clery wrote: >, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: >> Welcome Jerry, >> >> Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were >interested >> in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed >light in >> the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest >in >> spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? > >Namaste Greg, > >My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. Just tasting surface >stuff, not jumping in......ONS......Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. > > Just tasting surface stuff, not jumping in... > > I thought you were cleansing your "sheaths," but it seems Tony, that you are > spotting "crap" all over the place, are you projecting it by chance... I'm > not sure if I would like to visualize how you are doing that... :-) > > Love, Wim Namaste Wim. I don't consider crap a swear word, it is a made up word anyway. However I just wonder how many of these comfortabel middle class office workers and academics, stepped over a sleeping homeless person or walked by a dispossessed beggar, on their way to their trendy spiritual discussion. There's a lot of trendy stuff around for the designer label crowd, like power yoga and such as well. hahahahahONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > I don't consider crap a swear word, it is a made up word anyway. Of course, crap is no swear word, crap is crap... Dealing with it everyday in one form or another. :-) > However I just wonder how many of these comfortabel middle class > office workers and academics, stepped over a sleeping homeless person > or walked by a dispossessed beggar, on their way to their trendy > spiritual discussion. There's a lot of trendy > stuff around for the designer label crowd, like > power yoga and such as well. hahahahahONS....Tony. Your "hahahahah" treatment and "valuation" (your word from a previous post) of "comfortabel middle class office workers and academics" is not different from them "stepping over a sleeping homeless person or walking by a dispossessed beggar." Better watch your laughter, Tony! Why losing what you gained... Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 This is the vision I've had for a long time. Your post came through loud and clear! --Greg At 06:44 PM 8/15/01 EDT, Hbarrett47 wrote: >In a message dated 8/15/01 2:41:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, goode >writes: > ><< My > colleagues who have even done two yoga classes feel better, and act in such > a way as to make others feel better. My colleagues feel better. Now it's > easier for others to work around them, there's overall less stress, more > tolerance, more peace, and actually more positive energy. >> > >Early in my kundalini explosion, I had a "vision" that every expansion in >consciousness served to "feed" the universe. These expansions happen >millions of times a minute and across all of life. Even if a little ant has >a tiny, but glorious, ant-epiphany, this is just as valuable as a human being >suddenly comprehending the origins of a cross remark or, one day, the >illusion of self. Love moving in one place is the same as love moving in >another. Holly > >P.S. I'm hoping this comes through, most of my posts haven't been making it. > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > Your "hahahahah" treatment and "valuation" (your word from a previous post) > of "comfortabel middle class office workers and academics" is not different > from them "stepping over a sleeping homeless person or walking by a > dispossessed beggar." > > Better watch your laughter, Tony! Why losing what you gained... Namaste Wim, Nothing to lose or gain, my hhahahahah is meant to indicate that nothing is really serious and that everything but moksha is just a leela. I would take you to task on comparing my statements with 'the middle class crowd.' The world is full of indifference more than persecution, that is what I have pointed out that's all. In the West the 'Trendies' are always trying something new, yoga spirituality etc, but it isn't very deep, kind of like fast food religion...grab and run no real committment. Of course it is all karma and a leela and it is also amusing in a kind of sad way.......ONS.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 No Tony, I stand by it... You've got to review your valuations as, like you say, you are clearing your "sheaths." Don't think that I don't live in a similar world as you do, I notice similar things as you do, after all, it is all there. From unconditional love though there is no grading o perspective, everyone deserves as much loving kindness... there is to be no discrimination. So work on it... Following your viewpoint you can easily be slotted into a group as well, and so can I, but non of that comes from equanimity, Love, You have to see this, give it your best... you can... > > Tony O'Clery [aoclery] > Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:58 PM > > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > > > > Your "hahahahah" treatment and "valuation" (your word from a > previous post) > > of "comfortabel middle class office workers and academics" is not > different > > from them "stepping over a sleeping homeless person or walking by a > > dispossessed beggar." > > > > Better watch your laughter, Tony! Why losing what you gained... > > Namaste Wim, > > Nothing to lose or gain, my hhahahahah is meant to indicate that > nothing is really serious and that everything but moksha is just a > leela. > > I would take you to task on comparing my statements with 'the middle > class crowd.' The world is full of indifference more than > persecution, that is what I have pointed out that's all. In the West > the 'Trendies' are always trying something new, yoga spirituality etc, > but it isn't very deep, kind of like fast food religion...grab and run > no real committment. Of course it is all karma and a leela and it is > also amusing in a kind of sad way.......ONS.......Tony. > > > > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > In the West > the 'Trendies' are always trying something new, yoga spirituality etc, > but it isn't very deep, kind of like fast food religion...grab and run > no real committment. Of course it is all karma and a leela and it is > also amusing in a kind of sad way.......ONS.......Tony. Dearest Tony, This is a mighty sweeping generalization of millions of people of whom you don't have the vision to see into their hearts. I have been referred by the trendy name due to my chosen path by many, just as you have just done to others. Knowing my own heart and the depth of love there, these accusers were obviously wrong in their shallow judgement. I know thousands of sincere and "deep" devotees in the west. These sweeping generalizations based on incomplete information are of no service to yourself or to others. One spark of light in another brother's heart exhibited by whatever trendy path he may be on, is genuine and just as awesome and well-recieved as a saint's is. The first tiny yearnings for God Knowledge are the very first stones laid for the foundation of committment to build a mighty edifice of Spirital Understanding. Amusing and sad? One brother suffering and struggling for Truth leaves no room in the compassionate heart to hahahaha or see amusement in their pain. Sri Bhagavan had much compassion for those who came to him. My Gurudeva had great compassion for those who came to him with their troubles. He listened as if it were the most important thing in the world. He sympathized and cried with them. Why if he was such a realized Master you might ask? Because he felt for them as a mother does. He felt for them as Divine Mother does. So should we all. With Love, my Dearest Tony, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Tony O'Clery [aoclery] , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > Welcome Jerry, > > Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were interested > in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed light in > the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest in > spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? Namaste Greg, My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. Just tasting surface stuff, not jumping in......ONS......**************************************** Thank you for the guess work Tony. There is a diversity of perspectives in this Sangha on many things. Since this Fellowship is for mutual support and sharing, I would ask you to reflect on how you can be helpful in fostering that spirit. I know you enjoy being part of the sangha, but often it seems as if your posts do not take into account the context and culture of friendship and amity in which conversations usually take place here. We all have respect for your age Tony, and the fact that you have 11 grandchildren (with perhaps more to come) is a contribution to the future of humanity not everyone can match. If you can use some care with language in expressing your opinions and keep the list culture in mind, it would be most appreciated. The Golden Rule I think is "Treat others as you wish to be treated." Honestly Tony, it's a good rule. Thanks Lots of love brother Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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