Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 Hi, everyone. I've been reading all of the correspondence that Tony triggered. (I have decided to receive them in daily digest form). I think it is too soon to say whether "spirituality at work" is a trend. I believe that there are a lot of people at all levels of society - including "comfortable" workers who are suffering in one form or another. I think it is a fallacy to equate material wealth with happiness or a lack of suffering. There are certainly many working people who are experiencing a great deal of stress. It is my belief that every person is on a spiritual journey, and that we are each doing the best we can at our particular point on the journey. Perhaps spiritual practices and discussion of spirituality at work may be useful to help bring balance and spirit to the workplace, so that our personal and work lives can be brought more into balance. wrote: > /join > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > ------ > > There are 23 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Why worry? Be happy! Where is prana? > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > 2. Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > 3. RE: Re: Kundalini again. > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > 4. RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > 5. Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > Gregory Goode <goode > 6. RE: If you burned all the other texts this would do.Buddha. > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > 7. bon-fire > Mark Otter <mark.otter > 8. Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > 9. Re: If you burned all the other texts this would do.Buddha. > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > 10. Re: Kundalini again. > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > 11. RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > 12. RE: Re: Kundalini again. > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > 13. Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > Hbarrett47 > 14. Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > Gregory Goode <goode > 15. Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > 16. Re: Kundalini again. > david.bozzi > 17. Re: The shattered remains {warning::::::} > JustLynette > 18. Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > JustLynette > 19. RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > 20. Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > sraddha54 > 21. RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Harsha" <harsha-hkl > 22. guru - 3 > "Viorica Weissman" <viorica > 23. Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > "Viorica Weissman" <viorica > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:31:56 -0000 > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > Why worry? Be happy! Where is prana? > > Namaste All, > > At pralaya all the physical and lower subtle planes dissappear and are > subsumed. > > At Mahapralaya the totality of any manifestation is subsumed. There > is no Sakti, Prana, Kundalini etc. Proving that they are illusory and > temporary in the first place therefore unreal. > > Anything that changes is unreal. > > Scientists have now noticed that electro magnetism( called vayus or > winds in the vedas), has changed since the beginning of the universe. > This makes way for scientific theories of dimensions and different > speeds of light etc etc. They say the big bang was a change in itself. > So we progress to a uniform philosophy as Vivekananda predicted. > > ONS.......Tony. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:36:13 -0000 > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > > Welcome Jerry, > > > > Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were > interested > > in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed > light in > > the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest > in > > spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? > > Namaste Greg, > > My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. Just tasting surface > stuff, not jumping in......ONS......> > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:24:06 -0700 > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > RE: Re: Kundalini again. > > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > What you see[m] to be saying is that this forum should be like a convoy, > > going the speed of the slowest ship????? > > That is not what Yogini "seems to be saying" at all, it is what you appear > to be understanding. And since you brought up that "slowest ship," if in the > following sentence, you think that I seem to be saying, that you are that > "slowest ship" controlling the speed of the convoy... don't assume that I am > saying that Tony. > This "forum" is not "a convoy," as it is not going anywhere at all, not > hoping at all to get anywhere soon... So there is no holding the convoy > back, Tony. > > > It is not a matter of compassion at all. > > <snips> Compassion in the western sense and > > Daya in the Hindu can be two different things. > > You are talking from practice and understanding I hope, not from book > knowledge and analysis for analysis sake? > > The Sanskrit "daya" is more like sympathy, "karuna," another word for > compassion, is more like empathy. > > Empathy, sympathy, mercy, compassion, of course it is good to be able to > distinguish the meaning of the words, however it is even better to be > compassionate or receive compassion...unconditionally. > > > So if 'God' smacks one on the head to awaken us from a nightmare, > > is that bad? No it is good... > > A bonafide compassionate god (ahum) would not do such a thing. Oh Tony... > you are something! If your good Irish catholic background would be showing > through, you would be telling us about divine compassion not about a "good > head smacking god." > > Love, Wim > > "Indirect knowledge gathered from books or teachers can never set a > human free until its truth is investigated, applied, experimented with > and experienced. Only direct, factual and actual realization does that. > Realize your whole self, reintegrate your mind and body." - Tripura > Rahasya, 18: 89-90 > http://www.aurasphere.dhs.org > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:33:25 -0700 > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. > > Just tasting surface stuff, not jumping in... > > I thought you were cleansing your "sheaths," but it seems Tony, that you are > spotting "crap" all over the place, are you projecting it by chance... I'm > not sure if I would like to visualize how you are doing that... :-) > > Love, Wim > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:36:05 -0400 > Gregory Goode <goode > Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > Hello Tony, > > Not everyone's motive is total liberation. Even a casual > "spirituality-only-at-work" approach helps alleviate suffering. My > colleagues who have even done two yoga classes feel better, and act in such > a way as to make others feel better. My colleagues feel better. Now it's > easier for others to work around them, there's overall less stress, more > tolerance, more peace, and actually more positive energy. This is what > many people are looking for. And they can't hide their more peaceful > feelings, it actually has made some of my colleagues start to think, "Hmm, > maybe there's more to this...." > > Love, > > --Greg > > At 07:36 PM 8/15/01 -0000, Tony O'Clery wrote: > >, Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > >> Welcome Jerry, > >> > >> Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were > >interested > >> in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed > >light in > >> the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest > >in > >> spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? > > > >Namaste Greg, > > > >My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. Just tasting surface > >stuff, not jumping in......ONS......Tony > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:52:50 -0700 > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > RE: If you burned all the other texts this would do.Buddha. > > Dear Tony, > > You wrote and quoted: > > "In your seeing there should only be seeing, in your hearing nothing > > but hearing, in your smelling, tasting and touching, nothing but > > smelling, tasting, touching, in your cognising nothing but cognising." > > > In other words when the senses make contact there should be no > > valuation or perception, just be aware. This in essence is no > > different than searching for 'Who am I?'. > > Exactly, except for the word "perception", but all right... How many times > have I not told you this very thing, that is what Avalokiteshvara (my best > friend) meant as well. > Hooray for Tony, he is getting it! > > > All the rest is just teachers and writers revelling in > > piling writing upon writings about the simplest thing. > > And Tony, you know why? So that Tony will get it in the end... > Hooray for Tony, he is getting it! > > Tony, you have said so many times that, "ultimately nothing happened at > all." Old hat, of course, but what does Tony do in the meantime... > Have you finally come to your senses? > > > If you can accept this then you can burn all your books... > Hooray for Tony, he is getting it! > When is the bon-fire? Am I invited? > > Love , Wim > > "Indirect knowledge gathered from books or teachers can never set a > human free until its truth is investigated, applied, experimented with > and experienced. Only direct, factual and actual realization does that. > Realize your whole self, reintegrate your mind and body." - Tripura > Rahasya, 18: 89-90 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:13:45 -0400 > Mark Otter <mark.otter > bon-fire > > Hi Wim, > > I wrote this poem a few days ago, and your post reminded me of it... > > My limbs are straw > I am my own wind > Would Tönpa Shenrab laugh if I called this a bon-fire? > > Love, Mark > > > If you can accept this then you can burn all your books... > Hooray for Tony, he is getting it! > When is the bon-fire? Am I invited? > > Love , Wim > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 8 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:12:06 -0000 > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > > > You wrote: > > > My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. > > > Just tasting surface stuff, not jumping in... > > > > I thought you were cleansing your "sheaths," but it seems Tony, that > you are > > spotting "crap" all over the place, are you projecting it by > chance... I'm > > not sure if I would like to visualize how you are doing that... :-) > > > > Love, Wim > > Namaste Wim. > > I don't consider crap a swear word, it is a made up word anyway. > However I just wonder how many of these comfortabel middle class > office workers and academics, stepped over a sleeping homeless person > or walked by a dispossessed beggar, on their way to their trendy > spiritual discussion. There's a lot of trendy > stuff around for the designer label crowd, like > power yoga and such as well. hahahahahONS....Tony. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 9 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:23:26 -0000 > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > Re: If you burned all the other texts this would do.Buddha. > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > > > > Exactly, except for the word "perception", but all right... How many > times > > have I not told you this very thing, that is what Avalokiteshvara > (my best > > friend) meant as well. > > Hooray for Tony, he is getting it! > > > > > All the rest is just teachers and writers revelling in > > > piling writing upon writings about the simplest thing. > > Namaste Wim, > > Tony has always got it, but as with others, the world comes in the > way. I can remember as a small child telling my mother, 'can you > imagine what it would be like if there was no creation no universe?'. > Of course she didn't have an answer. These forums are sometimes for > piling writings on writings as a diversion, or we wouldn't be here at > all. > > I would say my getting it goes back in this end of my life to reading > Ramana and Buddha many years ago, and the ant taught > me surrender and observation without involvement....ONS......Tony. > > However amongst the other posts I do throw in one like that sometimes. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 10 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:31:15 -0000 > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > Re: Kundalini again. > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > Tony wrote: > > > So if 'God' smacks one on the head to awaken us from a nightmare, > > > is that bad? No it is good... > > > > A bonafide compassionate god (ahum) would not do such a thing. Oh > Tony... > > you are something! If your good Irish catholic background would be > showing > > through, you would be telling us about divine compassion not about a > "good > > head smacking god." > > > > Love, Wim > > Namaste Wim. > > You obviously know very little about good Irish catholic backgrounds, > or you wouldn't say that.hahahaha > > Sometimes 'God', throws one on to our backs with an illness, and then > says, now that I have your attention. Let me tell you this!!!' > > God' is a head smacker!!!hahahahah 'God' of course being the balancing > of karma. > > Also I do have some differences on where you are getting your sanskrit > translations from, they seem to be later than some, but that is > another story.....ONS...Tony. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 11 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:31:48 -0700 > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > I don't consider crap a swear word, it is a made up word anyway. > > Of course, crap is no swear word, crap is crap... Dealing with it everyday > in one form or another. :-) > > > However I just wonder how many of these comfortabel middle class > > office workers and academics, stepped over a sleeping homeless person > > or walked by a dispossessed beggar, on their way to their trendy > > spiritual discussion. There's a lot of trendy > > stuff around for the designer label crowd, like > > power yoga and such as well. hahahahahONS....Tony. > > Your "hahahahah" treatment and "valuation" (your word from a previous post) > of "comfortabel middle class office workers and academics" is not different > from them "stepping over a sleeping homeless person or walking by a > dispossessed beggar." > > Better watch your laughter, Tony! Why losing what you gained... > > Love, Wim > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 12 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:49:56 -0700 > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > RE: Re: Kundalini again. > > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > You obviously know very little about good Irish catholic backgrounds, > > or you wouldn't say that.hahahaha > > Were you duped or something? In spite of what you were telling us > previously... you are not over it... > Your stoicism only hides your grief. > > > Sometimes 'God', throws one on to our backs with an illness, and then > > says, now that I have your attention. Let me tell you this!!!' > > 'God' does not do such, 'God' is not such, and it does not make a difference > whether you surround 'God' with quotation marks or not... > > You can of course blame your statement on your, as you say so often "poor > writing skills" but you seem to use that excuse every time when you have > written some derisive statements or some invective... > No dice, Tony... > > > Also I do have some differences > > on where you are getting your > > sanskrit translations from, > > they seem to be later than some, > > but that is another story... > > Of course Tony, I used to translate the texts myself. > > Love, Wim > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 13 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:44:39 EDT > Hbarrett47 > Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > In a message dated 8/15/01 2:41:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, goode > writes: > > << My > colleagues who have even done two yoga classes feel better, and act in such > a way as to make others feel better. My colleagues feel better. Now it's > easier for others to work around them, there's overall less stress, more > tolerance, more peace, and actually more positive energy. >> > > Early in my kundalini explosion, I had a "vision" that every expansion in > consciousness served to "feed" the universe. These expansions happen > millions of times a minute and across all of life. Even if a little ant has > a tiny, but glorious, ant-epiphany, this is just as valuable as a human being > suddenly comprehending the origins of a cross remark or, one day, the > illusion of self. Love moving in one place is the same as love moving in > another. Holly > > P.S. I'm hoping this comes through, most of my posts haven't been making it. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 14 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:54:31 -0400 > Gregory Goode <goode > Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > This is the vision I've had for a long time. Your post came through loud > and clear! > > --Greg > > At 06:44 PM 8/15/01 EDT, Hbarrett47 wrote: > >In a message dated 8/15/01 2:41:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, goode > >writes: > > > ><< My > > colleagues who have even done two yoga classes feel better, and act in such > > a way as to make others feel better. My colleagues feel better. Now it's > > easier for others to work around them, there's overall less stress, more > > tolerance, more peace, and actually more positive energy. >> > > > >Early in my kundalini explosion, I had a "vision" that every expansion in > >consciousness served to "feed" the universe. These expansions happen > >millions of times a minute and across all of life. Even if a little ant has > >a tiny, but glorious, ant-epiphany, this is just as valuable as a human > being > >suddenly comprehending the origins of a cross remark or, one day, the > >illusion of self. Love moving in one place is the same as love moving in > >another. Holly > > > >P.S. I'm hoping this comes through, most of my posts haven't been making it. > > > >/join > > > > > > > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 15 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:57:58 -0000 > "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > > > > Your "hahahahah" treatment and "valuation" (your word from a > previous post) > > of "comfortabel middle class office workers and academics" is not > different > > from them "stepping over a sleeping homeless person or walking by a > > dispossessed beggar." > > > > Better watch your laughter, Tony! Why losing what you gained... > > Namaste Wim, > > Nothing to lose or gain, my hhahahahah is meant to indicate that > nothing is really serious and that everything but moksha is just a > leela. > > I would take you to task on comparing my statements with 'the middle > class crowd.' The world is full of indifference more than > persecution, that is what I have pointed out that's all. In the West > the 'Trendies' are always trying something new, yoga spirituality etc, > but it isn't very deep, kind of like fast food religion...grab and run > no real committment. Of course it is all karma and a leela and it is > also amusing in a kind of sad way.......ONS.......Tony. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 16 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:09 -0000 > david.bozzi > Re: Kundalini again. > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > > This "forum" is not "a convoy," as it is not going anywhere at all, > > not hoping at all to get anywhere soon... > > Sounds like prison. : ) > > > it is even better to be > > compassionate or receive compassion...unconditionally. > > Advice is like poison. > No one wants to drink it first. > > > A bonafide compassionate god (ahum) would not do such a thing. > > A headsmacking god? > Lord no, > but neither a head patting god either. > > > Oh Tony...you are something! If your good Irish catholic background > > would be showing through, you would be telling us about divine > > compassion not about a "good head smacking god." > > Why talk about either and get distracted? > > David > (prefers filterless} > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 17 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:00:43 EDT > JustLynette > Re: The shattered remains {warning::::::} > > In a message dated 8/15/01 10:17:49 AM Central Daylight Time, > kheyala writes: > > > Dear Lynette, > > (Sorry I have your font! I don't mean to. > > I didn't realize it was hard for you to post the words of your heart. > > I understand, now, the "raw exposure" and wanted to thank you (like Dharma) > > for your courage and willingness to heal in such openness. It kind of > > gives me "permission" to do the same, in my own way. Thanks. > > > > Love, > > Kheyala > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Kheyala, and please do share, in your own way. > Lynette > > Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union, > dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond > I am. > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 18 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:14:04 EDT > JustLynette > Re: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > In a message dated 8/15/01 4:19:30 PM Central Daylight Time, > aoclery writes: > > > Namaste Wim. > > > > I don't consider crap a swear word, it is a made up word anyway. > > However I just wonder how many of these comfortabel middle class > > office workers and academics, stepped over a sleeping homeless person > > or walked by a dispossessed beggar, on their way to their trendy > > spiritual discussion. There's a lot of trendy > > stuff around for the designer label crowd, like > > power yoga and such as well. hahahahahONS....Tony. > > > > > > > > Anything that brings one comfort should be embraced by the one. Perhaps with > enough meditation, they may awaken their eyes and see the homeless they walk > over. > Tony, there is alot of things you say that are "trendy" or rather should I > say, book learned, or book taught, or listened to - learned. how much have > you experienced? I'm not challenging you, in any way..... but I have watched > you over the past few weeks, belittle the ones who do not live up to your > standards. The pedophile, and now the "trendy" people who walk over the > homeless.... A compassionate person sees both side of the coin... Sees the > victim and aids, and sees the aggressor and aids. How can I say this??? > Being a rape victim myself at the age of 6 yrs old. And others like me, being > in a position of victimhood. Shall we stand hand in hand in anger and point > our fingers at all the rapists.... Or shall I seek to understand why he did > what he felt he had to do? If someone like me can see that we all suffer > equally, and we all express it differently, and that we all are in need of > love and healing, then why cant we all see this? > > Open your eyes > Lynette > > Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union, > dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond > I am. > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 19 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:44:45 -0700 > "Wim Borsboom" <wim > RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > No Tony, I stand by it... > > You've got to review your valuations as, like you say, you are clearing your > "sheaths." Don't think that I don't live in a similar world as you do, I > notice similar things as you do, after all, it is all there. From > unconditional love though there is no grading o perspective, everyone > deserves as much loving kindness... there is to be no discrimination. So > work on it... Following your viewpoint you can easily be slotted into a > group as well, and so can I, but non of that comes from equanimity, > > Love, > You have to see this, give it your best... you can... > > > > > Tony O'Clery [aoclery] > > Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:58 PM > > > > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > > > > > , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Tony, > > > > > > > > Your "hahahahah" treatment and "valuation" (your word from a > > previous post) > > > of "comfortabel middle class office workers and academics" is not > > different > > > from them "stepping over a sleeping homeless person or walking by a > > > dispossessed beggar." > > > > > > Better watch your laughter, Tony! Why losing what you gained... > > > > Namaste Wim, > > > > Nothing to lose or gain, my hhahahahah is meant to indicate that > > nothing is really serious and that everything but moksha is just a > > leela. > > > > I would take you to task on comparing my statements with 'the middle > > class crowd.' The world is full of indifference more than > > persecution, that is what I have pointed out that's all. In the West > > the 'Trendies' are always trying something new, yoga spirituality etc, > > but it isn't very deep, kind of like fast food religion...grab and run > > no real committment. Of course it is all karma and a leela and it is > > also amusing in a kind of sad way.......ONS.......Tony. > > > > > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > > > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > > sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and > > exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves > > rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from > > Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come > > and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart > > Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A > > true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > > a. > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 20 > Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:50:25 -0000 > sraddha54 > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > > > In the West > > the 'Trendies' are always trying something new, yoga spirituality > etc, > > but it isn't very deep, kind of like fast food religion...grab and > run > > no real committment. Of course it is all karma and a leela and it > is > > also amusing in a kind of sad way.......ONS.......Tony. > > Dearest Tony, > > This is a mighty sweeping generalization of millions of people of > whom you don't have the vision to see into their hearts. I have been > referred by the trendy name due to my chosen path by many, just as > you have just done to others. Knowing my own heart and the depth of > love there, these accusers were obviously wrong in their shallow > judgement. I know thousands of sincere and "deep" devotees in the > west. These sweeping generalizations based on incomplete information > are of no service to yourself or to others. One spark of light in > another brother's heart exhibited by whatever trendy path he may be > on, is genuine and just as awesome and well-recieved as a saint's is. > The first tiny yearnings for God Knowledge are the very > first stones laid for the foundation of committment to build a mighty > edifice of Spirital Understanding. Amusing and sad? One brother > suffering and struggling for Truth leaves no room in the > compassionate heart to hahahaha or see amusement in their pain. Sri > Bhagavan had much compassion for those who came to him. My Gurudeva > had great compassion for those who came to him with their troubles. > He listened as if it were the most important thing in the world. He > sympathized and cried with them. Why if he was such a realized Master > you might ask? Because he felt for them as a mother does. He felt for > them as Divine Mother does. So should we all. > > With Love, my Dearest Tony, > Mazie > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 21 > Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:12:31 -0400 > "Harsha" <harsha-hkl > RE: Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > > Tony O'Clery [aoclery] > > , Gregory Goode <goode@D...> wrote: > > Welcome Jerry, > > > > Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were > interested > > in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed > light in > > the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this interest > in > > spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? > > Namaste Greg, > > My guess is it is just trendy dabbling crap. Just tasting surface > stuff, not jumping in......ONS......> **************************************** > Thank you for the guess work Tony. There is a diversity of perspectives in > this Sangha on many things. Since this Fellowship is for mutual support and > sharing, I would ask you to reflect on how you can be helpful in fostering > that spirit. I know you enjoy being part of the sangha, but often it seems > as if your posts do not take into account the context and culture of > friendship and amity in which conversations usually take place here. > > We all have respect for your age Tony, and the fact that you have 11 > grandchildren (with perhaps more to come) is a contribution to the future of > humanity not everyone can match. > > If you can use some care with language in expressing your opinions and keep > the list culture in mind, it would be most appreciated. The Golden Rule I > think is "Treat others as you wish to be treated." Honestly Tony, it's a > good rule. > > Thanks > Lots of love brother > Harsha > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 22 > Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:23:06 +0200 > "Viorica Weissman" <viorica > guru - 3 > > > Q: How is a Guru found? > > A: God, who is immanent, in His grace takes pity on the loving > devotee and manifests himself according to the devotee’s > development. The devotee thinks that he is a man and expects > a relationship between two physical bodies. But the Guru, who > is a God or the Self incarnate works from within, helps the man > to see the error of his ways and guides him on the right path > until he realises the Self within. > > Q : What are the marks of a real teacher [sadaguru]? > > A: Steady abidance in the Self, looking at all with an equal eye, > unshakable courage at all times, in all places and circumstances. > > Q: There are a number of spiritual teachers teaching various paths. > Whom should one take for one's Guru? > > A: Choose that one where you find you get shanti [peace. > > Q: Should we not also consider his teachings? > > A: He who instructs an ardent seeker to do this or that is not > a true master. The seeker is already afflicted by his activities > and wants peace and rest. In other words he wants cessation > of his activities. If a teacher tells him to do something in addition to, > or in place of, his other activities, can that be a help to the seeker? > > Activity is creation. Activity is the destruction of one’s inherent happiness. > If activity is advocated the adviser is not a master but a killer. > In such circumstances either the Creator [brahma] or death [Yama] may > be said to have come in the guise of a master. Such a person cannot > liberate the aspirant; he can only strengthen his fetters. > > Sri Ramana Maharshi > from Be As You Are > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 23 > Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:30:34 -0000 > "Viorica Weissman" <viorica > Re: Welcome to Jerry Biberman > > Shalom [ ùìåí ] to Jerry Biberman & Greg & Everybody > from Israel & Romania, > vicki > > P.S - dear Greg , to send you a report about retreats > and any other form of spiritual activities > from Judaism to Budhism,Hinduism, Christianity ... > and so on and so on .... in this city / area > it would be a serious work and I can't afford > the time at the moment. > If you are truly interested in this phenomena, > I am sure I could it. > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > Hi, Greg. Thanks for the welcome. I think this interest in > spirituality at work goes beyond the United States. I know of > interested academics in Australia, New Zealand, India, England and in > the Middle East. > > > > Peace. Jerry > > > > Gregory Goode wrote: > > > > > Welcome Jerry, > > > > > > Harsha mentioned that a several of his academic colleagues were > interested > > > in wisdom, and "work and spirit." I'm glad you are there to shed > light in > > > the workplace, and glad you are here. Would you say this > interest in > > > spirituality and work is a primarily U.S. phenomenon? > . > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > --Greg > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Your use of is subject to Peace. Jerry Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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