Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: [snip] > If one is realised then one sees the world as the universal. > > If one isn't realised then one sees it as real, even though it > is only relatively real. Real whilst one is in it. > > That's pretty specific not much generalising > there......ONS...Tony. And when one doesn't have an experiential clue as to what they are talking about, speculative babble like this is the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 , jodyrrr@h... wrote: > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > [snip] > > > If one is realised then one sees the world as the universal. > > > > If one isn't realised then one sees it as real, even though it > > is only relatively real. Real whilst one is in it. > > > > That's pretty specific not much generalising > > there......ONS...Tony. > > And when one doesn't have an experiential clue as to what > they are talking about, speculative babble like this is the result. Namaste Jody, How would you know to be able to comment? I actually have had the experience of the world becoming fluid and pulsating as vibrations. It is just me paraphrasing the sages and texts of course. Ramana et al say the same in as many words.....ONS.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: [snip] > I actually have had the experience of the world becoming fluid > and pulsating as vibrations. > It is just me paraphrasing the sages and texts of course. > Ramana et al say the same in as many words.....ONS.....Tony. The world that pulsates and vibrates is still the world. What you've described is an ordinary meditation experience. It is not realization nor does it indicate realization, as realization is not an experience at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 , jodyrrr@h... wrote: > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > [snip] > > > I actually have had the experience of the world becoming fluid > > and pulsating as vibrations. > > > It is just me paraphrasing the sages and texts of course. > > Ramana et al say the same in as many words.....ONS.....Tony. > > The world that pulsates and vibrates is still the world. What > you've described is an ordinary meditation experience. It is > not realization nor does it indicate realization, as realization > is not an experience at all. Namaste, I wasn't originally talking to you anyway, but I was demonstrating that there are even different perceptions of the relative world. I won't get into your vindism thing. It is real whilst we are in it, thats why you are posting vndist or not......ONS Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2001 Report Share Posted August 16, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > , jodyrrr@h... wrote: > > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > I actually have had the experience of the world becoming fluid > > > and pulsating as vibrations. > > > > > It is just me paraphrasing the sages and texts of course. > > > Ramana et al say the same in as many words.....ONS.....Tony. > > > > The world that pulsates and vibrates is still the world. What > > you've described is an ordinary meditation experience. It is > > not realization nor does it indicate realization, as realization > > is not an experience at all. > > Namaste, > > I wasn't originally talking to you anyway, but I was demonstrating > that there are even different perceptions of the relative world. That doesn't make your case for having the experiential knowledge necessary to actually know what you are talking about. While there may be different perceptions of what is relative, there are *no* perceptions of the Absolute. If you perceive it, it isn't Brahman. Only by knowing It can you understand It. It is quite clear that you don't know It, and you won't know as long as you think you know It. Do yourself (and some of us) a favor and try to listen instead of tell. Despite your appraisals, there are true jnanis among us here. We just need to set aside our projections to see the wisdom they share. [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 , jodyrrr@h... wrote: > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > , jodyrrr@h... wrote: > > > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > I actually have had the experience of the world becoming fluid > > > > and pulsating as vibrations. > > > > > > > It is just me paraphrasing the sages and texts of course. > > > > Ramana et al say the same in as many words.....ONS.....Tony. > > > > > > The world that pulsates and vibrates is still the world. What > > > you've described is an ordinary meditation experience. It is > > > not realization nor does it indicate realization, as realization > > > is not an experience at all. > > > > Namaste, > > > > I wasn't originally talking to you anyway, but I was demonstrating > > that there are even different perceptions of the relative world. > > That doesn't make your case for having the experiential knowledge > necessary to actually know what you are talking about. > > While there may be different perceptions of what is relative, there > are *no* perceptions of the Absolute. If you perceive it, it isn't > Brahman. Only by knowing It can you understand It. It is quite > clear that you don't know It, and you won't know as long as you > think you know It. > > Do yourself (and some of us) a favor and try to listen instead of > tell. Despite your appraisals, there are true jnanis among us here. > We just need to set aside our projections to see the wisdom they share. Namaste Jody, My dear Nong, I have always claimed to know nothing, I am avidya in Maya. I'm not realised and I doubt that there are any jnanis/jivanmuktis in the N America never mind this list. With regard to my experience. Well unlike you I am not a vndist and have to get my information from the Buddha, Ramana and people like that. I can't remember what happens in meditation, I am not conscious. I am talking about experiences that I have had with regard to the illusory world showing some aspects of what isn't accepted day to day reality. I don't know why I am responding to you, I may end up a drongo........ONS.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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