Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 Namaste All, Using Maharaj's measure of those who even really understand advaita intellectually; there are 60,000 only on the entire planet. As N America has only about 5% of the world population that would leave about 3000 people. Considering the materialist capitalist fact, I would seriously doubt there is even one at all. Even if there is he/she would probably be a Native Indian. India produces them because it is the only country on the planet that has preserved the spirituality of the ancients. This was helped by an agrarian economy, population in villages, etc, but mostly cultural tradition. Those that were produced in India were still only a handful. With regard, there's that word of attention again, from the french to look, to the word LOVE. Peace, Shalom, Salaam, Santhi may be a better word to use. Vivekananda said Love cannot rise whilst a person is still a slave, or non liberated. What people call love is mainly attachment warm fuzzies, ego basking etc.Love is Saguna. Om Namah Sivaya....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 In a message dated 8/18/01 10:19:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time, aoclery writes: << India produces them because it is the only country on the planet that has preserved the spirituality of the ancients. >> Huh? What about Native America, Mesoamerica, Latin America, western Africa, and so on? I personally know an African-American jivanmukti (to use your word). He lives quietly and anonymously in Washington, D.C. and used to be my next-door neighbor. Your racism is showing, Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 Unfortunately for you Tony, you do not have the capacity to make these determinations yourself, and your logic is about as solid as a block of swiss cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 , jodyrrr@h... wrote: > Unfortunately for you Tony, you do not have the capacity > to make these determinations yourself, and your logic > is about as solid as a block of swiss cheese. Namaste Josy et al, My logic is based on the teachings of Nisargadatta Maharaj on how many people really understood non dualism truly, even intellectually. I am not talking of vndists..........ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 , Hbarrett47@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/18/01 10:19:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > aoclery writes: > > << India produces them because it is the only country on the planet > that has preserved the spirituality of the ancients. >> > > Huh? What about Native America, Mesoamerica, Latin America, western Africa, > and so on? I personally know an African-American jivanmukti (to use your > word). He lives quietly and anonymously in Washington, D.C. and used to be > my next-door neighbor. Your racism is showing, Tony. Namaste, I doubt that you can tell who is or isn't a jivanmukti, only one can see another. They don't usually advertise the fact. So now I'm a racist hahahah I'm not politically correct that's for sure but what is a racist? If you bothered to read my post instead of sounding off, you would see that I mentioned that if there was one in N.America he/she would probably be a Native. I do believe there were jivanmuktis in the Americas at one time, hence kukulkan and Quetzalcoatl but that culture was destroyed long ago. I would be pleasantly surprised if there is a jnani/jivanmukti in the entire western world. Oh yes there are claimants to realisation even on these boards hahahahah mostly vndist types. They have one samadhi and then they think they are god.hahahahahahah I will state my racism again, India is the only place on the planet that has preserved in a living state the wisdom of the ancients. The other places you mention are replete with superstition with no tradition or science of moksha in this modern age. Your friend isn't jesse jackson is he hahahahahahahaha ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 Tony, What does it have to do with 'wisdom of the ancients'?? Ever present, never changing. diana , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > , Hbarrett47@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/18/01 10:19:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > > aoclery writes: > > > > << India produces them because it is the only country on the planet > > that has preserved the spirituality of the ancients. >> > > > > Huh? What about Native America, Mesoamerica, Latin America, western > Africa, > > and so on? I personally know an African-American jivanmukti (to use > your > > word). He lives quietly and anonymously in Washington, D.C. and > used to be > > my next-door neighbor. Your racism is showing, Tony. > > Namaste, > > I doubt that you can tell who is or isn't a jivanmukti, only one can > see another. They don't usually advertise the fact. > > So now I'm a racist hahahah I'm not politically correct that's for > sure but what is a racist? If you bothered to read my post instead of > sounding off, you would see that I mentioned that if there was one in > N.America he/she would probably be a Native. > > I do believe there were jivanmuktis in the Americas at one time, hence > kukulkan and Quetzalcoatl but that culture was destroyed long ago. > > I would be pleasantly surprised if there is a jnani/jivanmukti in the > entire western world. > > Oh yes there are claimants to realisation even on these boards > hahahahah mostly vndist types. They have one samadhi and then they > think they are god.hahahahahahah > > I will state my racism again, India is the only place on the planet > that has preserved in a living state the wisdom of the ancients. The > other places you mention are replete with superstition with no > tradition or science of moksha in this modern age. > > Your friend isn't jesse jackson is he hahahahahahahaha > > ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > > I would be pleasantly surprised if there is a jnani/jivanmukti in the > entire western world. Dearest Tony, There surely must be the most tender smile on Divine Mother's face right now. With Love, always, Mazie > > Oh yes there are claimants to realisation even on these boards > hahahahah mostly vndist types. They have one samadhi and then they > think they are god.hahahahahahah > > I will state my racism again, India is the only place on the planet > that has preserved in a living state the wisdom of the ancients. The > other places you mention are replete with superstition with no > tradition or science of moksha in this modern age. > > Your friend isn't jesse jackson is he hahahahahahahaha > > ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Dear Tony, > I doubt that you can tell who is or isn't a jivanmukti, only one can > see another. They don't usually advertise the fact. Not usually, but I do... (((((((((((((\/\/I/\/\))))))))))))) ((((((((((((((((;-))))))))))))))))) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > That reminds of the lectures of Tuiavii - a Samoan chief who warned his fellow-islanders for the dangers of Western "civilization"... The chief didn't have to parrot scriptures - he had visited Europe and was "just himself"... An excerpt translated from German: > ------------------------------- > The severe disease of thinking > Therefore anyone, investigating all thoughts, certainly discover, that in the end he will always remain stupid and will have to leave those answers he can't give himself to the great Spirit. > [...] > The only thing, that all diseased from thinking could cure, forgetting, slinging away thoughts, isn't practiced: therefore, only very few are able to do so and most are carrying a burden in the head, making the body heavy, powerless and weak before its time. .... I say: No! Because we should not and must not do anything, that doesn't make a stronger body and doesn't give a greater sense of joy and uplifting. We have to beware from everything, that could rob us the joy of life, for everything, that darkens our spirit and takes away its brilliant light, for everything, that will cause our head to fight our body. Thank you for sharing this with us, Jan. It was a great read. The idea that truth would be dependent on culture, race, nationality, age, personality etc etc is certainly humorous when seeing that the truth gave rise to the scriptures and not the other way around. One could say that in one way culture has been the servant of truth in order to spread it, a central meme among less long lasting ones. As the Christians say; God will be God if all lands were empty, but expression has to be done and it will have the mask of variation but the face behind will always be the same. Love, Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 On 8/20/01 at 7:54 PM mumblecat wrote: [...] ºThank you for sharing this with us, Jan. It was a great read. º ºThe idea that truth would be dependent on culture, race, nationality, ºage, personality etc etc is certainly humorous when seeing that the ºtruth gave rise to the scriptures and not the other way around. One ºcould say that in one way culture has been the servant of truth in ºorder to spread it, a central meme among less long lasting ones. As ºthe Christians say; God will be God if all lands were empty, but ºexpression has to be done and it will have the mask of variation but ºthe face behind will always be the same. º º ºLove, º ºAmanda. Translating some time ago and posting it was my pleasure Amanda... There is only 'Truth', everything is expressing it in a specific way... To that i can .... Hence my interest in the Sumerian civilization, and the civilization that 'birthed' Tantra and the Vedas... All native ppl were familiar with 'timeless' wisdom... Combining them the 'proper' way, perhaps the 'all in' perspective could be restored again - a way of living not resulting in conditioning... Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 ! At 09:13 PM 8/20/01 -0300, andrew macnab wrote: >One > >/join > > > > > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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