fear

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Fear, fear of becoming everything I was always against. Today I had

someone ask me which demon I was. I have been a christian all my

life, and never found true happiness with myself and others until I

started my journey to enlightinment. But it goes against everything I

have ever been taught. A month ago, if I had been in her shoes, I

probably would have thought the same way she did. I don't know how to

let go of the fear. I am terrified!!!

 

Jennifer

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>Fear, fear of becoming everything I was always against. Today I had

>someone ask me which demon I was. I have been a christian all my

>life, and never found true happiness with myself and others until I

>started my journey to enlightinment. But it goes against everything I

>have ever been taught. A month ago, if I had been in her shoes, I

>probably would have thought the same way she did. I don't know how to

>let go of the fear. I am terrified!!!

>

> Jennifer

 

Dear demon worshipper,

As a satanist and personal fiend of Lucifer (oops sorry friend of a fiend)

I say 'Terror or Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom'.

Increase in Fear.

Now listen and listen well.

Do NOT let go of fear - she is a power. Transform her in Service to God.

Write her down - her names, 'going to hell', 'jesus will be upsut'

etc. Write down what she looks like and smells like and sounds like

'whisper, whisper - there is that weirdo' etc. Use every sense - what does fear

feel like etc DO NOT THINK

do it.

Now set fire to the paper and offer FEAR itself to God.

Every time fear comes. Increase in FEAR and offer it to God.

Of course as fear is all in your head - you can also

do all this in your head.

 

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jenjayl01 wrote:

Fear, fear of becoming everything I was always

against. Today I had

someone ask me which demon I was. I have been a christian all my

life, and never found true happiness with myself and others until

I

started my journey to enlightinment. But it goes against everything

I

have ever been taught. A month ago, if I had been in her shoes,

I

probably would have thought the same way she did. I don't know

how to

let go of the fear. I am terrified!!!

Jennifer

'We could never learn to be brave and patient

if there were only joy in the world.'

Helen Keller (1880 - 1968)

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Hi Jennifer,

>Fear, fear of becoming everything I was always against. Today I had

>someone ask me which demon I was. I have been a christian all my

>life, and never found true happiness with myself and others until I

>started my journey to enlightinment. But it goes against everything I

>have ever been taught. A month ago, if I had been in her shoes, I

>probably would have thought the same way she did. I don't know how to

>let go of the fear. I am terrified!!!

 

I sent you four methods of dealing with fear. Have any of them helped?

Are you using the hand positions?

 

I looked back and saw where you wrote to Wim:

> So you're saying that I have to start completely fresh, as a new

>born baby. Unlearn all that I have learned so far? Throw out all

>the "furniture", the garbage life has thrown my way, and start all

>over. What if everything I've learned so far, my christian beliefs,

>is the truth.

 

I don't like to speak against anyone's tradition, but I think it's time to

say that you've grown up in - and are still in - an extremely

fundamentalist branch of Christianity. I think you need to learn more

about Christianity, not give it up! The beliefs of that

congregation/denomination you've been part of are not the same as

Christianity. And I do think it's time you should give up that particular

church.

 

Your journey to enlightenment doesn't have to take you away from

Christianity. Go to some other churches, explore the different

denominations. It's not sinful or demon-inspired to go to other churches,

it's just mind-opening!

 

I don't remember where you live, but don't go to the southern

denominations, the fundamentalist groups. There's more than one

Presbyterian denomination, or Methodist, or Baptist. Look at the listings

in the paper - maybe you can tell from the sermon topics which ones are

more open. You can even call them up on the phone and ask if they're a

"northern" or "southern" denomination. You can ask if they're a

"fundamentalist" denomination.

 

There are a lot of good folks in the southern denominations, but you need

to see the other side.

 

Go to the Unitarian/Universalist churches too. They're usually considered

Christian, but they're open to anyone who wants to join. If someone says

he'd like to be a member, they have no list of beliefs he has to assent to.

They just shake his hand and ask him to sign the membership book.

And you will find folks there of other persuasions than Christian - it's a

good place for inter-faith couples.

 

In early high school, for a while I went to a different church every

Sunday. I went to all of them before I decided which one I wanted to join.

There's nothing wrong with that... you can do it too. And you'll learn a

lot about Christianity!

 

God gave you a brain, and it's okay to use it. ) No matter what the

people in your old church say. Remember the Silver Rule: "Do not allow

anyone to do to you what you would not do to them." Just walk away from

the people who call you names. And find the larger Christianity.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Jennifer,

 

Why not ignore fear? In the sense of not dedicating any thought to it

but continuing "business as usual". All feelings can be ignored this way-

nothing is suppressed, just not allowed to control any activity.

 

Jan

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Hi Jan,

 

This is good advice. On the rare occasion fear arises 'here'

(usually if something is 'surfacing' from the unconscious that hasn't

been (fully) confronted), ignoring it is easy.

 

One time (a week or two ago), it even became interesting... looking

at a tree, the mind began to 'see' the leaves as "horrible-looking

faces" -- but fully recognized that this was an illusion created by

the arising of "old material" below the tip of the iceberg

(specifically, some old religious conditioning), it was an

interesting experience... none of the 'usual' physiological symptoms

were accompanying it (rapid heartbeat, sweating, etc)... the body was

completely calm, the mind was generating a fearful hallucination.

 

Very strange, but it passed quickly :-).

 

Love,

 

Tim

 

, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote:

> Hi Jennifer,

>

> Why not ignore fear? In the sense of not dedicating any thought to

> it but continuing "business as usual". All feelings can be ignored

> this way- nothing is suppressed, just not allowed to control any

> activity.

>

> Jan

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Hi Tim,

 

This "seeing of faces" is a phenomenon i know well, it isn't just

connected to the release of "old stuff" but also to the ability of the mind to

make associations... In the course of events, that ability will increase too -

until the universe can be seen in a grain of sand - that poetic 'nicety' can

become observation...

 

Love,

Jan

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Hi Jan:

 

Long time....no write :-).

 

I like this approach to fear as well as using this approach to most

variations of the mind. A long time ago I felt that each issue, each

emotion, etc. had to be dealt with and eliminated. The problem was

that no matter what was eliminated it appeared that something else

came along to take its place until I finally realized that there is

no perfection in the mind which is just an aspect of the ego/body

complex. Now the mind is placed along with everything else - as part

of the play - and one observes as much as possible with as little

reaction as possible.

 

Of course, in many cases (my own included) this observation does not

appear possible until one has achieved a certain amount inner balance

by working with the issues that tend to keep one trapped in emotional

distress. It just seems important to know when to stop the process

as getting caught up in each and every psychological storm can be

counterproductive.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Namaste,

Linda

 

 

Hi Jennifer,Why not ignore fear? In the sense of not dedicating any

thought to itbut continuing "business as usual". All feelings can be

ignored this way-nothing is suppressed, just not allowed to control

any activity.

Jan/join

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On 8/21/01 at 7:28 AM LC wrote:

Hi Jan:

 

Long time....no write :-).

 

Hi Linda,

 

Yes, you have been quiet - could be a good sign

 

I like this approach to fear as well as using this approach to most

variations of the mind. A long time ago I felt that each issue, each

emotion, etc. had to be dealt with and eliminated. The problem was

that no matter what was eliminated it appeared that something else

came along to take its place until I finally realized that there is

no perfection in the mind which is just an aspect of the ego/body

complex. Now the mind is placed along with everything else - as part

of the play - and one observes as much as possible with as little

reaction as possible.

 

Even scientists acknowledged the fact, that sensory perception is a

mix - for instance, touch is partly processed by the visual cortex...

Hence the probability, that no individual has the same sensory

experience... Every individual living in a "different" universe so to

say...

As you mentioned, with emotions, much the same... There are only a few

basic ones but they cannot be separated from

influences like thoughts and other perceptions... So it seems there

are many emotions, in the same sense that smell combined

with the basic tastes, gives rise to infinite seemingly different

tastes... Hence, no use to treat them on a 'one by one' basis.

 

Of course, in many cases (my own included) this observation does not

appear possible until one has achieved a certain amount inner balance

by working with the issues that tend to keep one trapped in emotional

distress. It just seems important to know when to stop the process

as getting caught up in each and every psychological storm can be

counterproductive.

 

The inner balance is upheld well, as a result of Self-experience -

then the emotions are like waves that start to subside...

But even when not 'established in Self', a 'history' with caring,

forgiving and surrender is very helpful as it often is

a prelude to unconditional surrender...

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Yes, thank you - it couldn't be much better...

 

Love,

Jan

 

Namaste,

Linda

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Hi Jan:

>Hi Linda,

>Yes, you have been quiet - could be a good sign

Hmmm...do not know if it's good or not but I am definitely in a

relationship with quiet these days. This relationship takes place in

the middle of a life filled with noisy and chaotic others and leaves

me almost unable to speak or write unless I must. Fortunately, there

are always enough words and sounds in the world that it is rather easy

to slip into a cave of quiet without causing any distrubance to the

ongoing activity of sound.

Love,

Jan

Namaste,

Linda

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

to the