Question for self-realizers/Amanda

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Dear Amanda,

 

I find what you say in broad strokes applies to my situation.

Please read my response to Greg/Tony for more details.

 

Ed

 

 

 

, mumblecat@a... wrote:

>

> , "Ed" <eea@a...> wrote:

>

> > Self-realization is thought to be possible only by surrendering

all

> >effort to achieve it. Some think that a practice is required to

> >prepare the body-mind before this effortless surrendering might

take

> >place. Both views seem valid, depending on the conditioning of the

> >individual body-mind.

>

> As I see it, you're touching onto the key point here.

> A certain conditioning of various types, it doesn't have to be what

> ppl usually think of as spiritual or religious, seems to precede

the

> ceasement of effort.

>

> But many ppl talk of a profound thirst for realization, a very

honest

> and determined eagerness appearing at some point in their lives...

> the search being what they really most wanted to do in life and

> sometimes ditched the concentration of anything else in their lives

> for a short or long period. This could of course be seen as making

> effort towards self realization, but the question remains, could a

> thirst like this where everything else but the search is thrown

away

> really be called "effort" ? Wouldn't it be more correct to say that

a

> need to find the way arose very strongly and simply /had/ to find

> expression through their minds and bodies ?

>

> I would rather call "effort" that which characterizes ppl who are

not

> at all interested in self realization, when they are trying to

> understand the words of the sages and do not see the point in

> searching at all.

>

> I'd say that effortless effort, i.e. a natural expression of the

need

> to find the truth, will appear by itself over time and will express

> itself fully over time and lead to what may still be seen as effort

> but which does not feel like it for the subject.

>

>

>

> Love,

>

> Amanda.