Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > Love is hard to define. Love is impossible to define. > Love is hard to define. Love needs no definition. > Love is hard to define. As soon as you try, love escapes the mental confinements. > Love is hard to define. Love is easy to refine. > Love is hard to define. Good thing, Tony. Don't do to 'love', what you've done to 'mind'. > Love is hard to define. Just love and be fine. Just love...Tony, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 On 8/24/01 at 6:01 PM Wim Borsboom wrote: ºDear Tony, º ºYou wrote: º> Love is hard to define. º ºLove is impossible to define. º º> Love is hard to define. º ºLove needs no definition. [..] Dear Tony and Wim, Sometimes analogies can be used to "get the idea"... U.L can be said to be singular - it only attracts... With gravity, the same - it is a force that only attracts... Without caring for the 'consequences' even at galactic scale... Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > Love is hard to define. > > Love is impossible to define. > > > Love is hard to define. > > Love needs no definition. > > > Love is hard to define. > > As soon as you try, love escapes the mental confinements. > > > Love is hard to define. > > Love is easy to refine. > > > Love is hard to define. > > Good thing, Tony. > Don't do to 'love', what you've done to 'mind'. > > > Love is hard to define. > > Just love and be fine. > > Just love...Tony, > Wim Namaste Wim, Vivekananda says love cannot rise whilst we are in bondage...ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 > > Sometimes analogies can be used to "get the idea"... > U.L can be said to be singular - it only attracts... > With gravity, the same - it is a force that only attracts... > Without caring for the 'consequences' even at galactic scale... > > Love, > Jan Dear Jan: The reference to gravity and love both being attractors propelled me into the past. I read the idea in J. G. Bennett's book "Energies" about 30 years ago. Perhaps you have read it. If I remember correctly love and gravity are examples of the binding force of the universe. They were the #2 energy with only Unity or Transcendental energy higher. His description of energies went beyond Physical energies into the realm of self aware creatures. I think I loaned the book out and forgot who I loaned it to. The memory brought back the old bookseller to my mind. I could tell from his voice he had traveled a road I was just starting. Excellent book, good reference. Thanks for the memories. Yours truly Bob G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > Vivekananda says love cannot rise whilst we are in bondage. Stop quoting, take up loving... Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > > Dear Tony, > > You wrote: > > Vivekananda says love cannot rise whilst we are in bondage. > > Stop quoting, take up loving... > > Wim Namaste Wim, I love in the human way, like other people. True love or Saguna is only available to jivanmuktis.......ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: > I love in the human way, like other people. > True love or Saguna is only available to jivanmuktis. Then be a jivanmukti, you have no reason not to be, as you don't need a reason not to be... Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 On 8/25/01 at 4:22 PM bgbbyg wrote: º> º> Sometimes analogies can be used to "get the idea"... º> U.L can be said to be singular - it only attracts... º> With gravity, the same - it is a force that only attracts... º> Without caring for the 'consequences' even at galactic scale... º> º> Love, º> Jan º ºDear Jan: ºThe reference to gravity and love both being attractors propelled me ºinto the past. I read the idea in J. G. Bennett's book "Energies" ºabout 30 years ago. Perhaps you have read it. If I remember ºcorrectly love and gravity are examples of the binding force of the ºuniverse. They were the #2 energy with only Unity or Transcendental ºenergy higher. His description of energies went beyond Physical ºenergies into the realm of self aware creatures. I think I loaned ºthe book out and forgot who I loaned it to. ºThe memory brought back the old bookseller to my mind. I could tell ºfrom his voice he had traveled a road I was just starting. ºExcellent book, good reference. Thanks for the memories. ºYours truly ºBob G. Dear Bob, Until you mentioned it, i didn't know of that book... But with those booksellers i'm familiar - there used to be one in Amsterdam. I went there because after the spontaneous 'sadhana' it was a bit difficult to accept that a lifetime of 'practices' could be compressed into eight months, ending with both practice and practitioner non-existent... So i wanted to know if there were more such 'cases' on record, and to look for some of the 'road marks that had to be met'... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 On 8/25/01 at 2:06 PM Wim Borsboom wrote: ºDear Tony, º ºYou wrote: º> Vivekananda says love cannot rise whilst we are in bondage. º ºStop quoting, take up loving... º ºWim A funny advice: whatever is manifest, could be called 'sporting lapdog of Love' and that includes the resistance to it... No play without resistance to play Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 Dear Jan, I wrote to Tony: > Stop quoting, *take up* loving... You wrote: > A funny advice: whatever is manifest, > could be called 'sporting lapdog of Love' > and that includes the resistance to it... > No play without resistance to play Of course, in Dutch "take up loving" would have different associations, as in: "De draad opnemen en weer verder haken," or in English, "Take up the thread where you left off and carry on crocheting." Resistance to play is an acquired behaviour. Play itself though is as innate as love and truth. Stubbornness is of course a compulsive resistance to "the urge to halt resisting," or an obsessive resistance to one's own liberation from attachments and bonds. Which really means, freeing oneself from whomever "attached" him or herself to you through engrammatic mental commands, holding you back in bonds with judgments, sentencings, spells, curses and the like... "You cannot do that!" becomes "I cannot do that!", "You are stubborn!" becomes "I am stubborn!" The "You / I" reversal is one of the first real psychological conundrums that a child has to deal with in its language acquisition. I remember that so well from when I was still a toddler. When someone says "you" to you, you are supposed to understand that as applying to "I". The object and objective of someone other than oneself, has to become the subject and subjective of oneself... Objectification at work, caught in the act... All that is OK when someone says, "I love you." It is not so OK when someone says, "I hate you." Just try these reversals for yourself... Can you remember that from when you were young...? Notice it in 'two and a half' to 'three year' old children... you can catch them even forming the words on their lips while they gaze away with large eyes, trying to figure this out. Love, Wim PS Is there hope for Tony? I think so Maybe he should take up knitting if he does not like the hoola hoop. He could crochet himself 'lapdogs of Love' (They do well at church bazaars) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Dear Jan, > > I wrote to Tony: > > Stop quoting, *take up* loving... > > You wrote: > > A funny advice: whatever is manifest, > > could be called 'sporting lapdog of Love' > > and that includes the resistance to it... > > No play without resistance to play > Namaste Wim et al, My stubborness is actually ekagratha or one pointedness. For those who believe liberation is with Saguna Brahman, they will go to brahmaloka until pralaya. For those who become jivanmuktis, it is over and all is Nirguna Brahman. Different paths that's all...ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2001 Report Share Posted August 26, 2001 Tony wrote: > Different paths that's all... Get off it dear Tony. There is no path, there are no paths... Not even in a manner of speaking... Loving you, Wim On my way to a real path, a bicycle path... ending up at the Witty's Beach Lagoon. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 , "Wim Borsboom" <wim@a...> wrote: > Tony wrote: > > Different paths that's all... > > Get off it dear Tony. > There is no path, there are no paths... > Not even in a manner of speaking... > > Loving you, Wim > On my way to a real path, a bicycle path... ending up at the Witty's Beach > Lagoon. Namasate Wim, Your difference with me really is you are a follower of Saguna Brahman whereas I believe in Nirguna Brahman. A small difference but it accounts for your post to me, telling me to wake up to your truth etc......ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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