Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 Namaste All, K Sakti is the mind, the Mahat. The energy we feel is prana. The cakras are transducers for the subtle sheaths, like light coming through holes in a curtain. It is the sheaths that need to be purified. All the nadis and cakras are in the subtle body, they are infinite in number, for they are what creates moving energy, by the three gunas. Because they are transducers the sheaths themselves have to be purified through spiritual practice. Prana is always moving in the sushumna current. No amount of K yoga will result in moksha, only the ego mind sinking whence it came, The Heart, achieves that......ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 Tony, Do all who achieve liberation have to go through a Kundalini Awakening? Its interesting... As I was listening to the radio in my car during lunch, there was a preacher who was talking about Jesus teaching Nicodemus and how he said you had to be born again, of the water and the spirit. I thought the spiritual re-birth or spiritual awakening was necessary. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 , "Paul " <pjcote@l...> wrote: > Tony, > > Do all who achieve liberation have to go through a Kundalini > Awakening? > > Its interesting... As I was listening to the radio in my car during > lunch, there was a preacher who was talking about Jesus teaching > Nicodemus and how he said you had to be born again, of the water and > the spirit. I thought the spiritual re-birth or spiritual awakening > was necessary. > > Paul Namaste Paul IMO, A spiritual awakening is necessary of course. This seems to happen at a higher mind or subconscious level initially. So called Kundalini Sakti is actually the universal mind, which animates even our blinking. My posts are about distortions, misinterpretations etc. Pranic activity doesn't result in liberation by itself. There is no liberation without spiritual practice and conscious effort........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > There is no liberation without spiritual practice and conscious > effort........ONS...Tony. The trouble with a pat declaration like this is that definitions of "spiritual practice" (and even what "spiritual" means) vary so widely -- not to mention that practice with an 'end goal' or "gaining idea" in mind is less than worthless. It's really just as inaccurate as a statement like "there is no need for any practice or anything else, you are already liberated." Both this statement and 'your statement' are off the mark. Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > > There is no liberation without spiritual practice and conscious > > effort........ONS...Tony. > > The trouble with a pat declaration like this is that definitions > of "spiritual practice" (and even what "spiritual" means) vary so > widely -- not to mention that practice with an 'end goal' or "gaining > idea" in mind is less than worthless. > > It's really just as inaccurate as a statement like "there is no need > for any practice or anything else, you are already liberated." Both > this statement and 'your statement' are off the mark. > > Namaste, > > Omkara Namaste Omkara, Well are you going to be emailing the moderators for my dismissal or privately emailing me and telling me to leave the list? As a vndist you would say the above of course. However on this list it is pretty eclectic and I oscillate between advaita and visishtadvaita and even dvaita.......Just for the diversion and debate....ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 On 8/29/01 at 7:17 PM Paul wrote: ºTony, º ºDo all who achieve liberation have to go through a Kundalini ºAwakening? Put in biblical terms, the fire of hell has to burn out while the mind-body is fully functionable and alive. º ºIts interesting... As I was listening to the radio in my car during ºlunch, there was a preacher who was talking about Jesus teaching ºNicodemus and how he said you had to be born again, of the water and ºthe spirit. I thought the spiritual re-birth or spiritual awakening ºwas necessary. The condition "born again" from immaculate conception refers to apperception. That is supposed to be followed by a K. awakening that is quite joyful (as was my case) and it ends with the resurrection (there is life without an "I"). Golgotha, from gulgoleth (Hebr. skull) is an indication of "something happening at the crown chakra" and the crown of thorns is another indication... And a so called "universal road mark". That for many, after apperception, nothing happens anymore, i would not interpret as a 'good' sign... Jan º ºPaul º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > Namaste Omkara, > > Well are you going to be emailing the moderators for my dismissal > or privately emailing me and telling me to leave the list? Neither, Tony... rather, i am going to continue reading/posting only very rarely on this list, and 'let you' retain your position as "head pedant" on :-). Every list has a "self-appointed high priest," right? > As a vndist you would say the above of course. However on this list > it is pretty eclectic and I oscillate between advaita and > visishtadvaita and even dvaita.......Just for the diversion and > debate....ONS..Tony. You forgot "for the ego gratification." There, now it's spelled out for everyone :-). Namaste, Omkara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 , "Omkara" <coresite@h...> wrote: > , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > > Namaste Omkara, > > > > Well are you going to be emailing the moderators for my dismissal > > or privately emailing me and telling me to leave the list? > > Neither, Tony... rather, i am going to continue reading/posting only > very rarely on this list, and 'let you' retain your position as "head > pedant" on :-). Every list has a "self-appointed high > priest," right? > > > As a vndist you would say the above of course. However on this list > > it is pretty eclectic and I oscillate between advaita and > > visishtadvaita and even dvaita.......Just for the diversion and > > debate....ONS..Tony. > > You forgot "for the ego gratification." There, now it's spelled out > for everyone :-). > > Namaste, > > Omkara Namaste Omkara, Not ego gratification. Well we are all in the egoland aren't we? Gurubuster and sceptic is a better term than high priest.Hhahahahahahaah.......ONS.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 On 8/30/01 at 2:02 AM Tony O'Clery wrote: [...] ºNamaste Omkara, º ºNot ego gratification. Well we are all in the egoland aren't we? º ºGurubuster and sceptic is a better term than high ºpriest.Hhahahahahahaah.......ONS.....Tony. Tony, do i have to remind you this is NOT a list for guru busting? Some on this list benefited a great deal from those who you consider "worthless". Do i have to remind you also that for Ramana, the mount Aranachula was "guru"? If a "worthless" heap of rubble can function as such, surely can dogs, cats or 'passionate' humans? When blaming is your act, why not blame those who gave rise to the idea that gurus have to behave like talking mummies? Do i also have to remind you that Jnanadeva "should" not have been according to those kind of beliefs? So even if for some, a cat like the one on the pic serves as "guru", who cares? Jan Attachment: (image/jpeg) Grey1.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > On 8/30/01 at 2:02 AM Tony O'Clery wrote: > > [...] > ºNamaste Omkara, > º > ºNot ego gratification. Well we are all in the egoland aren't we? > º > ºGurubuster and sceptic is a better term than high > ºpriest.Hhahahahahahaah.......ONS.....Tony. > > Tony, do i have to remind you this is NOT a list for guru busting? > Some on this list benefited a great deal from those who you consider > "worthless". Do i have to remind you also that for Ramana, the mount Aranachula > was "guru"? If a "worthless" heap of rubble can function as such, surely > can dogs, cats or 'passionate' humans? When blaming is your act, why not blame > those who gave rise to the idea that gurus have to behave like talking mummies? > Do i also have to remind you that Jnanadeva "should" not have been according > to those kind of beliefs? So even if for some, a cat like the one on the pic serves as > "guru", who cares? > > Jan Namaste Jan, I have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke anyway responding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just a sense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: [...] ºNamaste Jan, º ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke anyway ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just a ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that whatever is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" projection of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time - Hahaha! Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: > > [...] > ºNamaste Jan, > º > ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke anyway > ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just a > ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. > > > Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. > That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that whatever > is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" projection > of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time - Hahaha! > > Jan Dear Jan, A few days ago, I was standing, looking out the windows facing east at the sun rising. No picture was ever more perfect at that moment. Peace was profound. I let my gaze move down to the dry grass under the window. I spied a torn up, pink, plastic grocery bag lying there, all scattered about. At that moment, the beauty of that plastic bag recognized by my 'inner guru' broke across me in utter Joy. I nearly sobbed at the Beauty. I humbly and sincerely gave thanks to my Beloved in the form of the plastic, torn up grocery bag. O, guru, I proclaimed, my guru here as this beautiful bag lying about me like jewels. Can you see me now, weeping at the feet of my Beloved Plastic Bag? Is this the spontaneous projection of which you speak Jan? Love, In Love, Mazie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: > > [...] > ºNamaste Jan, > º > ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke anyway > ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just a > ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. > > > Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. > That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that whatever > is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" projection > of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time - Hahaha! > > Jan Namaste Jan, I don't disagree with you, humpty dumpty will do, its all about concentration. However gurus and cults that hurt people through molestation, and other negative actions, is something else altogether........ONS.......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Jan -- "Furniture baby" has got to be one of the saddest phrases I've ever heard. I'm so glad Love brought you from all-object to all-subject! Love, Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 On 8/30/01 at 8:48 PM sraddha54 wrote: º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: º> º> On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: º> º> [...] º> ºNamaste Jan, º> º º> ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke ºanyway º> ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour ºjust a º> ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. º> º> º> Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. º> That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that ºwhatever º> is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" ºprojection º> of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time - ºHahaha! º> º> Jan º ºDear Jan, º ºA few days ago, I was standing, looking out the windows facing east ºat the sun rising. No picture was ever more perfect at that moment. ºPeace was profound. I let my gaze move down to the dry grass under ºthe window. I spied a torn up, pink, plastic grocery bag lying there, ºall scattered about. At that moment, the beauty of that plastic bag ºrecognized by my 'inner guru' broke across me in utter Joy. I nearly ºsobbed at the Beauty. I humbly and sincerely gave thanks to my ºBeloved in the form of the plastic, torn up grocery bag. O, guru, I ºproclaimed, my guru here as this beautiful bag lying about me like ºjewels. Can you see me now, weeping at the feet of my Beloved Plastic ºBag? Is this the spontaneous projection of which you speak Jan? º ºLove, In Love, ºMazie Dear Mazie, Your story is exactly what i meant. The "inner" guru will work in a way as to show that regarding Love and Beauty there are neither definitions nor boundaries. The first "experience" in manifested life is one of love for sentience and its beauty in its entirety - unconditionally. How could it be otherwise? Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 8/30/01 at 8:48 PM sraddha54@h... wrote: > > º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > º> > º> On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: > º> > º> [...] > º> ºNamaste Jan, > º> º > º> ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke > ºanyway > º> ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour > ºjust a > º> ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. > º> > º> > º> Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. > º> That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that > ºwhatever > º> is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" > ºprojection > º> of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time - > ºHahaha! > º> > º> Jan > º > ºDear Jan, > º > ºA few days ago, I was standing, looking out the windows facing east > ºat the sun rising. No picture was ever more perfect at that moment. > ºPeace was profound. I let my gaze move down to the dry grass under > ºthe window. I spied a torn up, pink, plastic grocery bag lying there, > ºall scattered about. At that moment, the beauty of that plastic bag > ºrecognized by my 'inner guru' broke across me in utter Joy. I nearly > ºsobbed at the Beauty. I humbly and sincerely gave thanks to my > ºBeloved in the form of the plastic, torn up grocery bag. O, guru, I > ºproclaimed, my guru here as this beautiful bag lying about me like > ºjewels. Can you see me now, weeping at the feet of my Beloved Plastic > ºBag? Is this the spontaneous projection of which you speak Jan? > º > ºLove, In Love, > ºMazie > > Dear Mazie, > > Your story is exactly what i meant. The "inner" guru will work in a way > as to show that regarding Love and Beauty there are neither definitions > nor boundaries. The first "experience" in manifested life is one of love for > sentience and its beauty in its entirety - unconditionally. How could it be > otherwise? > > > Love, > Jan Namaste All, The first experience is a traumatic one at birth, where the child cries, Oh no!!,,'Born again, born again'. Actually one of my best gurus was an ant..ONS......Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 On 8/30/01 at 8:49 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: º> º> On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: º> º> [...] º> ºNamaste Jan, º> º º> ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke ºanyway º> ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just ºa º> ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. º> º> º> Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. º> That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that ºwhatever º> is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" ºprojection º> of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time - ºHahaha! º> º> Jan º ºNamaste Jan, º º I don't disagree with you, humpty dumpty will do, its all about ºconcentration. However gurus and cults that hurt people through ºmolestation, and other negative actions, is something else ºaltogether........ONS.......Tony. Concentration is a useful skill... Some, like me, are born with the ability to keep the mind at one thing for hours, while ignoring all other things... With "physical" gurus and cults i'm not familiar - the rule of the thumb is that whatever gets commercialized, deserves to be observed carefully... When money is involved, the end of one cult means the birth of the next... And when punishment gets more severe, so will be crime, because "it has to be worth the risk"... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 On 8/30/01 at 9:33 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: º> º> On 8/30/01 at 8:48 PM sraddha54@h... wrote: º> º> º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: º> º> º> º> On 8/30/01 at 3:42 PM Tony O'Clery wrote: º> º> º> º> [...] º> º> ºNamaste Jan, º> º> º º> º> ºI have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke º> ºanyway º> º> ºresponding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour º> ºjust a º> º> ºsense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. º> º> º> º> º> º> Thanks for the laugh Tony - you sure have a great sense of humor. º> º> That must be because of your blindness - not recognizing that º> ºwhatever º> º> is chosen as a guru will "work" as it is the "spontaneous" º> ºprojection º> º> of the "inner" guru. In your case grandpa, better luck next time º- º> ºHahaha! º> º> º> º> Jan º> º º> ºDear Jan, º> º º> ºA few days ago, I was standing, looking out the windows facing east º> ºat the sun rising. No picture was ever more perfect at that moment. º> ºPeace was profound. I let my gaze move down to the dry grass under º> ºthe window. I spied a torn up, pink, plastic grocery bag lying ºthere, º> ºall scattered about. At that moment, the beauty of that plastic bag º> ºrecognized by my 'inner guru' broke across me in utter Joy. I ºnearly º> ºsobbed at the Beauty. I humbly and sincerely gave thanks to my º> ºBeloved in the form of the plastic, torn up grocery bag. O, guru, I º> ºproclaimed, my guru here as this beautiful bag lying about me like º> ºjewels. Can you see me now, weeping at the feet of my Beloved ºPlastic º> ºBag? Is this the spontaneous projection of which you speak Jan? º> º º> ºLove, In Love, º> ºMazie º> º> Dear Mazie, º> º> Your story is exactly what i meant. The "inner" guru will work in a ºway º> as to show that regarding Love and Beauty there are neither ºdefinitions º> nor boundaries. The first "experience" in manifested life is one of ºlove for º> sentience and its beauty in its entirety - unconditionally. How ºcould it be º> otherwise? º> º> º> Love, º> Jan º ºNamaste All, º ºThe first experience is a traumatic one at birth, where the child ºcries, Oh no!!,,'Born again, born again'. º ºActually one of my best gurus was an ant..ONS......Tony. The second experience can be traumatic - like realizing to have been born on a planet where barbarism reigns supreme... With a birth during WWII, something i still remember... But in my case, it didn't erase the memory of the first experience... Probably it enabled me to accept, what for others would have been a case of extreme child neglect and abuse... My father drowned the cat, a very strong one, and the cat freed himself and returned - only to be drowned by my father in a "better" way... But one of the "happy childhood memories"... As a "furniture baby", only touched for cleaning (wanted for the cash of a proud grandfather_to_be) the word "love" didn't regain its meaning until Shakti "hit"... So with a remembered "first" experience of "love and beauty", your outlook on life would have been very different... What if your last experience of sentient life, when the mind-body is dying, would be exactly like the "first" one? In the terminology of the NT, the process where that happens is called "2nd death"... "Survived" only when the 1st death has occurred while alive... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Jan & Friends, Jan , I've felt like "Big Daddy" in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", "I smell the odor of Pomposity in here". And now, to get it on such good authority that you're the culprit. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just a > sense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. "Do I smell the odor of Mendacity in here?" ....or possibly, just 'projection'. yours in the bonds, eric , "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 8/30/01 at 2:02 AM Tony O'Clery wrote: > > > > [...] > > ºNamaste Omkara, > > º > > ºNot ego gratification. Well we are all in the egoland aren't we? > > º > > ºGurubuster and sceptic is a better term than high > > ºpriest.Hhahahahahahaah.......ONS.....Tony. > > > > Tony, do i have to remind you this is NOT a list for guru busting? > > Some on this list benefited a great deal from those who you consider > > "worthless". Do i have to remind you also that for Ramana, the mount > Aranachula > > was "guru"? If a "worthless" heap of rubble can function as such, > surely > > can dogs, cats or 'passionate' humans? When blaming is your act, why > not blame > > those who gave rise to the idea that gurus have to behave like > talking mummies? > > Do i also have to remind you that Jnanadeva "should" not have been > according > > to those kind of beliefs? So even if for some, a cat like the one on > the pic serves as > > "guru", who cares? > > > > Jan > > Namaste Jan, > > I have nothing against genuine gurus, Ramana etc. It was a joke anyway > responding to a post. You don't seem to have a sense of humour just a > sense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Dear Tony, You wrote: The first experience is a traumatic one at birth, where the child cries, Oh no!!,,'Born again, born again'. That is not so, Tony...absolutely not... Never heard it, nobody ever heard that... That is conjecture only... It is not even true in a manner of speaking... Could this be your projection in retrospect...? It is a shock for many baby though to sense the "Oh no!!" from its parents, that is traumatic... Love, Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Hi Mazie, >A few days ago, I was standing, looking out the windows facing east >at the sun rising. No picture was ever more perfect at that moment. >Peace was profound. I let my gaze move down to the dry grass under >the window. I spied a torn up, pink, plastic grocery bag lying there, >all scattered about. At that moment, the beauty of that plastic bag >recognized by my 'inner guru' broke across me in utter Joy. I nearly >sobbed at the Beauty. I humbly and sincerely gave thanks to my >Beloved in the form of the plastic, torn up grocery bag. O, guru, I >proclaimed, my guru here as this beautiful bag lying about me like >jewels. Can you see me now, weeping at the feet of my Beloved Plastic >Bag? Is this the spontaneous projection of which you speak Jan? To those who see the Beloved everywhere, everything is beautiful. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 On 8/30/01 at 8:55 PM Hbarrett47 wrote: ºJan -- º º"Furniture baby" has got to be one of the saddest phrases I've ever heard. Of course my youth was an extreme - alas not an exception. But a friend with a "caring" upbringing was damaged for life due to an interrogation by the secret police whereas i was unharmed... º ºI'm so glad Love brought you from all-object to all-subject! Love, Holly It sure was an interesting "journey"... The knowledge and experience, that just 1 event can cause all other events to be interpreted entirely different, is priceless - it makes both attachment and detachment mere words that no longer apply. But this doesn't mean, gratitude for such a childhood, nor for those who knew and kept silent... Despite knowing that "thanks" to the extreme uncaring, there was hardly any conditioning veiling the "real nature", because there were no role models.. Such a role model would have been "free" (single, no couch potato), insensitive to repressive authority, "varnished ethics" and yet caring. Not the kind likely to be met in "social" life Love, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 On 8/31/01 at 3:46 AM EBlackstead wrote: ºJan & Friends, º ºJan , I've felt like "Big Daddy" in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", "I smell ºthe odor of Pomposity in here". And now, to get it on such good ºauthority that you're the culprit. I don't know the movie but with cats on the roof i'm familiar: they're noisy! And now that temporarily, there is a guest-cat, it's very humorous. The resident one reacted like one very jealous - refusing to be touched - running away with a high pitched 'meow' Eating also the food, served for the guest... Almost human ) º ºYou don't seem to have a sense of humour just a º> sense of pomposity.......ONS....Tony. º º"Do I smell the odor of Mendacity in here?" º º...or possibly, just 'projection'. ºyours in the bonds, ºeric Observing the cats is a nice pastime. As mammals with an emotional brain, they are displaying all the emotions a human can display, without the smoke screen of learned politeness. If they project, it's just their raw, unpolished feelings. If in public, humans would act accordingly, i would die of laughter. Both cats see me as their friend and benefactor but they see each other as rivals, no matter what i do If one jumps into the house via the window, the other one will follow...Armistice. But behind my back they're fighting and keeping the neighbors awake Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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