Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 I don't disagree with you, humpty dumpty will do, its all about concentration. However gurus and cults that hurt people through molestation, and other negative actions, is something else altogether........ONS.......Tony. Hello Everyone, It is interesting that I was talking about this very thing to a friend yesterday, and also, how wonderful the world works, to catch a show on the History channel this morning, also discussing this very issue..... In a world, where there are manipulators and the victims...And most oftentimes, both in one person. There is that line we draw between acceptable and unacceptable behavior, forgetting so easily that we become what we become because of other manipulators and victims.... We just become what we know.. And it is a lie....It is important for me, but perhaps not for you, to look beyond the manipulation, and the victimhood and discover the true source of the individual's pain.... It is in this pain that we do things that others view as being manipulative. We try to help ourselves feel better, and unfortunately this might be the only way we know how..... As such, how does one in such a position heal themselves, thru compassion.. by no means do I feel that criminal acts should be left unpunished.... yet, I pose a question to you....... At what point did the gurus that made love to their followers, do this act? Was it actually an act of manipulation? {as I'm in sure in some cases it is} or was it an act of loving reunion between two souls becoming one? And at what point did it become wrong??? When it became public, and the media pounced upon the "victim" and the "manipulator" and wronged this union?? How often does the public or society or the church, or the media wrong someone??? by our own perceptions of what is right and wrong, we condemn, and make wrong something that perhaps was not wrong.... And yet, the one in the position of the victim, may not realize this, but guilt settles in and plagues them, and so..... It must be wrong if everybody says it is so........ I feel that we push too much of our own perceptions of right and wrong towards people, that they find it too easy to judge their actions and judge the actions of those around them.... I just wonder...... how many of those relationships were made wrong, when at the moment of the actual act, it was well received by both parties, and experienced as a loving event........ {not to discredit the many times that manipulation did come into play..... Its just Who are we to know. } With Delight @`--,--Lynette--,--`@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 , JustLynette@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/31/01 1:40:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > writes: > > > > I don't disagree with you, humpty dumpty will do, its all about > > concentration. However gurus and cults that hurt people through > > molestation, and other negative actions, is something else > > altogether........ONS.......Tony. > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > It is interesting that I was talking about this very thing to a friend > yesterday, and also, how wonderful the world works, to catch a show on the > History channel this morning, also discussing this very issue..... > > In a world, where there are manipulators and the victims...And most > oftentimes, both in one person. There is that line we draw between acceptable > and unacceptable behavior, forgetting so easily that we become what we become > because of other manipulators and victims.... We just become what we know.. > And it is a lie....It is important for me, but perhaps not for you, to look > beyond the manipulation, and the victimhood and discover the true source of > the individual's pain.... It is in this pain that we do things that others > view as being manipulative. We try to help ourselves feel better, and > unfortunately this might be the only way we know how..... > > As such, how does one in such a position heal themselves, thru compassion.. > > by no means do I feel that criminal acts should be left unpunished.... yet, I > pose a question to you....... At what point did the gurus that made love to > their followers, do this act? Was it actually an act of manipulation? {as I'm > in sure in some cases it is} or was it an act of loving reunion between two > souls becoming one? And at what point did it become wrong??? When it became > public, and the media pounced upon the "victim" and the "manipulator" and > wronged this union?? How often does the public or society or the church, or > the media wrong someone??? > > by our own perceptions of what is right and wrong, we condemn, and make wrong > something that perhaps was not wrong.... And yet, the one in the position of > the victim, may not realize this, but guilt settles in and plagues them, and > so..... It must be wrong if everybody says it is so........ > > I feel that we push too much of our own perceptions of right and wrong > towards people, that they find it too easy to judge their actions and judge > the actions of those around them.... > > I just wonder...... how many of those relationships were made wrong, when at > the moment of the actual act, it was well received by both parties, and > experienced as a loving event........ > > {not to discredit the many times that manipulation did come into play..... > Its just > > Who are we to know. } > > > With Delight > @`--,--Lynette--,--`@ Namaste Lynette, How about a guru having intercourse with a seven year old boy? or another guru violating a minor virgin?......How do you rationalise that? in the physical world? Althought their devotees come up with the most interesting gymnastics, but what do their parents feel? Or more important the child?...It could have a deleterious effect on their spiritual developement......ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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