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[Guest guest]

>> Lets have a look at your picture again. You are wearing spiritual

dress, indicating religion--dualistic.

You are wearing a japamala indication you do japa to a form--dualistic.

You are wearing the vaishnava tilaka on your forehead, which indicates

again dualism, or worship of vishnu or whatever. Like the Hare

Krishna's do, they are also dualistic vaishnavas. <<

Hello Tony, all ~ I have just surfaced once again, from the focus I

have had on my move to NM (also my daughter visited for three weeks,

which was another, very wonderful focus for my attention). It puzzles

me and saddens me to once again, come to a satsangha and find

criticism and attack. In the name of nondualism, would Ramana

Maharshi have criticized anyone for wearing the clothing of a devotee

or for doing japa? I have read his words, and he advocates worship,

japa, etc. as useful, if a person finds it helpful, and until it is

no longer needed, while acknowledging all the while that Truth abides

in the Self. It is my experience that the Self that is the Divine

Ground of all things, while being One and Ineffeble, also is

dramatically and extravagantly creative.

Look at all the garments the Self wears. I am a garment. You are a

garment. Jody is a garment. The cottonwood trees in my yard are

garments. The river that flows past my house is a garment. The

feather I find in my path is a garment. My dog, Pepper, is a garment.

The tomatos on the windowsill are garments. And more than garments,

we/they are direct expressions. (Just go find and look a bit at Mu

Chi's painting, "Six Persimmons.") The raimnent of the Self is

infinite. When I do puja, light a candle before a picture of any of

my revered "teachers," sing a song, or fall on my knees in the golden

grass, overwhelmed by the majesty and presence, I am

communicating/communing with this Self. I am, as Don Juan put it once

to Carlos Casteneda, "the teakettle whistling in agreement on the

stove."

I would go and find a quote to back up what I am saying, since

virtually ever "teacher" or "master" or "guru" I bother paying

attention to says these same things...

that the forms are vehicles and eventually they drop away. However, at

this point, I am more inclined to quote another source: "What's all

this bickering and arguing about (wh)oo killed (wh)oo? (it's

essential to get the british accent in) This is supposed to be a

happy time." ("Monty Python and the Holy Grail"). Shanti ~ Linda

[Guest guest]

Hi LInda,

 

Welcome back! It is good to see you here again. I was thinking of you

yesterday--finally hanging that picture of Amma you sent me-- and wondering when

you might pop up again.

 

Jill

>>> nierika 09/01/01 11:41 AM >>>

Tony wrote (to Jody):

> >> Lets have a look at your picture again. You are wearing spiritual

> dress, indicating religion--dualistic.

>

> You are wearing a japamala indication you do japa to a

> form--dualistic.

>

> You are wearing the vaishnava tilaka on your forehead, which indicates

> again dualism, or worship of vishnu or whatever. Like the Hare

> Krishna's do, they are also dualistic vaishnavas. <<

>

 

Hello Tony, all ~ I have just surfaced once again, from the focus I have had

on my move to NM (also my daughter visited for three weeks, which was

another, very wonderful focus for my attention). It puzzles me and saddens me

to once again, come to a satsangha and find criticism and attack. In the name

of nondualism, would Ramana Maharshi have criticized anyone for wearing the

clothing of a devotee or for doing japa? I have read his words, and he

advocates worship, japa, etc. as useful, if a person finds it helpful, and

until it is no longer needed, while acknowledging all the while that Truth

abides in the Self. It is my experience that the Self that is the Divine

Ground of all things, while being One and Ineffeble, also is dramatically and

extravagantly creative.

 

Look at all the garments the Self wears. I am a garment. You are a garment.

Jody is a garment. The cottonwood trees in my yard are garments. The river

that flows past my house is a garment. The feather I find in my path is a

garment. My dog, Pepper, is a garment. The tomatos o the windowsill are

garments. And more than garments, we/they are direct expressions. (Just go

find and look a bit at Mu Chi's painting, "Six Persimmons.") The raimnent of

the Self is infinite. When I do puja, light a candle before a picture of any

of my revered "teachers," sing a song, or fall on my knees in the golden

grass, overwhelmed by the majesty and presence, I am communicating/communing

with this Self. I am, as Don Juan put it once to Carlos Casteneda, "the

teakettle whistling in agreement on the stove."

 

I would go and find a quote to back up what I am saying, since virtually ever

"teacher" or "master" or "guru" I bother paying attention to says

these same

things...

that the forms are vehicles and eventually they drop away. However, at this

point, I am more inclined to quote another source: "What's all this bickering

and arguing about (wh)oo killed (wh)oo? (it's essential to get the british

accent in) This is supposed to be a happy time." ("Monty Python and the Holy

Grail"). Shanti ~ Linda

[Guest guest]

, "Jill Eggers" <eggersj@g...> wrote:

> Hi LInda,

>

> Welcome back! It is good to see you here again. I was thinking of

you yesterday--finally hanging that picture of Amma you sent me-- and

wondering when you might pop up again.

>

> Jill

>

> >>> nierika@a... 09/01/01 11:41 AM >>>

> Tony wrote (to Jody):

 

Namaste All,

 

It is easy to attack Tony, but Tony doesn't give a flying

***..whatever.

 

The thread was between Jody and I on non dualism etc. In light of that

I analysed his dress, no offence meant. Just pointing out the

religious duality represented in his dress. This was fair comment

considering the thread or debate.....Send me our Ms Dressup gear for

analysis its free.......ONS......Tony.