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>> In a 'childhood proper' (awakened parents), the child

learns to put unconditional faith in the parents. Doing

that is a risk, a pet also takes, by being vulnerable. Taking that

risk could be called 'basic function' of

Love and knowing that is essential for both growing

up as a harmonious human being AND awakening. That is what

unconditional surrender is about. <<

Dear Jan ~ do you know many people who have had the great fortune to

be born into such a family? Perhaps tools exist for the benefit of

those of us who were not. And aside from awakened parents, the scale

of merely misguided to downright and completely abusive is very

broad. I guess that is all I have to say about it. Shanti ~ Linda

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Linda,Jan & Friends,

 

I recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that the

first birth after someone takes their final initiation they are born

into an abusive family with which they can have nothing important in

common, so as not to become distracted.

 

Of course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not only

to my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well.

Anyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to time.

I'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with students

as soon as the word about her theory got out.

 

I wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but she

seems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity(or

is this IT?).

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

>

> > >> In a 'childhood proper' (awakened parents), the child

> > learns to put unconditional faith in the parents. Doing

> > that is a risk, a pet also takes, by being vulnerable.

> > Taking that risk could be called 'basic function' of

> > Love and knowing that is essential for both growing

> > up as a harmonious human being AND awakening.

> > That is what unconditional surrender is about. <<

> >

>

> Dear Jan ~ do you know many people who have had the great fortune

to be born

> into such a family? Perhaps tools exist for the benefit of those of

us who

> were not. And aside from awakened parents, the scale of merely

misguided to

> downright and completely abusive is very broad. I guess that is all

I have to

> say about it. Shanti ~ Linda

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Nierika

Jan wrote:

>> In a 'childhood proper' (awakened parents), the child

learns to put unconditional faith in the parents. Doing

that is a risk, a pet also takes, by being vulnerable.

Taking that risk could be called 'basic function' of

Love and knowing that is essential for both growing

up as a harmonious human being AND awakening.

That is what unconditional surrender is about. <<

You wrote:

>> Dear Jan ~ do you know many people who have had

the great fortune to be born into such a family? Perhaps

tools exist for the benefit of those of us who were not. <<

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"Courier New"">My son is one of those…

"Courier New"">Hope to write the story once…

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"Courier New"">The tool (if it is a tool) is very simple:

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"Courier New"">Never question, only trust.

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"Courier New"">A child, like a seed, grows by itself from its self.

"Courier New"">Parents, like good gardeners, only keep the environment in order.

"Courier New"">Lest they disturb, they do not dig the soil to check if roots

are coming through yet,

"Courier New"">Nor do they scrape the dirt to see if leaves are coming out,

"Courier New"">Neither do they peel the bud to find out if a flower is already forming.

"Courier New"">They will not expect the fruit before its time has come.

"Courier New"">And when the fruit is ripe, it will be received instead of taken.

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"Courier New"">Love, Wim

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"Courier New"">Love, Wim

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On 9/2/01 at 12:42 AM EBlackstead wrote:

 

ºLinda,Jan & Friends,

º

ºI recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that the

ºfirst birth after someone takes their final initiation they are born

ºinto an abusive family with which they can have nothing important in

ºcommon, so as not to become distracted.

 

If so, what about for instance the Buddha and king Janaka, to mention but a few?

And Ramana wasn't born into a family of abuse either...

But how many abused ones end up in using drugs or even in crime?

Certainly more than abused ones ending up as fully enlightened ones :)

º

ºOf course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not only

ºto my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well.

ºAnyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to time.

ºI'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with students

ºas soon as the word about her theory got out.

 

I've known quite a few cases of abuse, that only caused life long traumas...

Probably the lady found a market niche...

 

º

ºI wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but she

ºseems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity(or

ºis this IT?).

 

Likely when the theory turns out to be untenable...

Only when sentient life in its entirety is considered a pain,

one is willing to give it up - symbolized by visiting Yama (lord of Death)

this is narrated in the Kathopanishad. When abuse leads to feelings of

unrighteousness or revenge, it is very difficult to give that up...

 

Jan

º

ºyours in the bonds,

ºeric

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Jan & Friends,

 

The Buddha and Christ are not ordinary "achievers". Let's not mix

things up here.

 

Baba (Muktananda), when commenting on his Guru,Bagavan Nityananda,

was very precise in calling him a "born siddha", not an Avatar. All

spiritual authorities acknowledge that special beings manifest with

special authorities and special tasks. Isn't it easier to accept that?

If I realize, it is at least clear to me, that this is an instance

of "personal" accomplishment. If I realize in my next life, that may

be something else.

 

yours in the bonds,

eric

 

 

 

 

, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

> On 9/2/01 at 12:42 AM EBlackstead@c... wrote:

>

> ºLinda,Jan & Friends,

> º

> ºI recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that

the

> ºfirst birth after someone takes their final initiation they are

born

> ºinto an abusive family with which they can have nothing important

in

> ºcommon, so as not to become distracted.

>

> If so, what about for instance the Buddha and king Janaka, to

mention but a few?

> And Ramana wasn't born into a family of abuse either...

> But how many abused ones end up in using drugs or even in crime?

> Certainly more than abused ones ending up as fully enlightened

ones :)

> º

> ºOf course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not

only

> ºto my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well.

> ºAnyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to

time.

> ºI'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with

students

> ºas soon as the word about her theory got out.

>

> I've known quite a few cases of abuse, that only caused life long

traumas...

> Probably the lady found a market niche...

>

> º

> ºI wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but

she

> ºseems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity

(or

> ºis this IT?).

>

> Likely when the theory turns out to be untenable...

> Only when sentient life in its entirety is considered a pain,

> one is willing to give it up - symbolized by visiting Yama (lord of

Death)

> this is narrated in the Kathopanishad. When abuse leads to

feelings of

> unrighteousness or revenge, it is very difficult to give that up...

>

> Jan

> º

> ºyours in the bonds,

> ºeric

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On 9/8/01 at 9:04 PM EBlackstead wrote:

 

ºJan & Friends,

º

ºThe Buddha and Christ are not ordinary "achievers". Let's not mix

ºthings up here.

 

 

Achieving? Where was mention of that?

º

ºBaba (Muktananda), when commenting on his Guru,Bagavan Nityananda,

ºwas very precise in calling him a "born siddha", not an Avatar. All

ºspiritual authorities acknowledge that special beings manifest with

ºspecial authorities and special tasks. Isn't it easier to accept that?

ºIf I realize, it is at least clear to me, that this is an instance

ºof "personal" accomplishment. If I realize in my next life, that may

ºbe something else.

º

ºyours in the bonds,

ºeric

 

What do those distinctions bring? Apparently, some never get enough of

dividing, labelling and sub-dividing. Yes, that tendency could qualify as

infinitely binding... Because there is no end to classification.

 

Unclassified,

 

Jan

º

º

º

º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote:

º> On 9/2/01 at 12:42 AM EBlackstead@c... wrote:

º>

º> ºLinda,Jan & Friends,

º> º

º> ºI recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that

ºthe

º> ºfirst birth after someone takes their final initiation they are

ºborn

º> ºinto an abusive family with which they can have nothing important

ºin

º> ºcommon, so as not to become distracted.

º>

º> If so, what about for instance the Buddha and king Janaka, to

ºmention but a few?

º> And Ramana wasn't born into a family of abuse either...

º> But how many abused ones end up in using drugs or even in crime?

º> Certainly more than abused ones ending up as fully enlightened

ºones :)

º> º

º> ºOf course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not

ºonly

º> ºto my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well.

º> ºAnyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to

ºtime.

º> ºI'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with

ºstudents

º> ºas soon as the word about her theory got out.

º>

º> I've known quite a few cases of abuse, that only caused life long

ºtraumas...

º> Probably the lady found a market niche...

º>

º> º

º> ºI wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but

ºshe

º> ºseems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity

º(or

º> ºis this IT?).

º>

º> Likely when the theory turns out to be untenable...

º> Only when sentient life in its entirety is considered a pain,

º> one is willing to give it up - symbolized by visiting Yama (lord of

ºDeath)

º> this is narrated in the Kathopanishad. When abuse leads to

ºfeelings of

º> unrighteousness or revenge, it is very difficult to give that up...

º>

º> Jan

º> º

º> ºyours in the bonds,

º> ºeric

º

º

º

º/join

º

º

º

º

º

ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.

ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome

ºall to a.

º

º

º

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