Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 >> In a 'childhood proper' (awakened parents), the child learns to put unconditional faith in the parents. Doing that is a risk, a pet also takes, by being vulnerable. Taking that risk could be called 'basic function' of Love and knowing that is essential for both growing up as a harmonious human being AND awakening. That is what unconditional surrender is about. << Dear Jan ~ do you know many people who have had the great fortune to be born into such a family? Perhaps tools exist for the benefit of those of us who were not. And aside from awakened parents, the scale of merely misguided to downright and completely abusive is very broad. I guess that is all I have to say about it. Shanti ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Linda,Jan & Friends, I recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that the first birth after someone takes their final initiation they are born into an abusive family with which they can have nothing important in common, so as not to become distracted. Of course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not only to my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well. Anyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to time. I'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with students as soon as the word about her theory got out. I wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but she seems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity(or is this IT?). yours in the bonds, eric > > > >> In a 'childhood proper' (awakened parents), the child > > learns to put unconditional faith in the parents. Doing > > that is a risk, a pet also takes, by being vulnerable. > > Taking that risk could be called 'basic function' of > > Love and knowing that is essential for both growing > > up as a harmonious human being AND awakening. > > That is what unconditional surrender is about. << > > > > Dear Jan ~ do you know many people who have had the great fortune to be born > into such a family? Perhaps tools exist for the benefit of those of us who > were not. And aside from awakened parents, the scale of merely misguided to > downright and completely abusive is very broad. I guess that is all I have to > say about it. Shanti ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Dear Nierika Jan wrote: >> In a 'childhood proper' (awakened parents), the child learns to put unconditional faith in the parents. Doing that is a risk, a pet also takes, by being vulnerable. Taking that risk could be called 'basic function' of Love and knowing that is essential for both growing up as a harmonious human being AND awakening. That is what unconditional surrender is about. << You wrote: >> Dear Jan ~ do you know many people who have had the great fortune to be born into such a family? Perhaps tools exist for the benefit of those of us who were not. << "Courier New""> "Courier New"">My son is one of those… "Courier New"">Hope to write the story once… "Courier New""> "Courier New"">The tool (if it is a tool) is very simple: "Courier New""> "Courier New"">Never question, only trust. "Courier New""> "Courier New"">A child, like a seed, grows by itself from its self. "Courier New"">Parents, like good gardeners, only keep the environment in order. "Courier New"">Lest they disturb, they do not dig the soil to check if roots are coming through yet, "Courier New"">Nor do they scrape the dirt to see if leaves are coming out, "Courier New"">Neither do they peel the bud to find out if a flower is already forming. "Courier New"">They will not expect the fruit before its time has come. "Courier New"">And when the fruit is ripe, it will be received instead of taken. "Courier New""> "Courier New"">Love, Wim "Courier New""> "Courier New""> "Courier New""> "Courier New"">Love, Wim Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 140 - Release 8/7/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 On 9/2/01 at 12:42 AM EBlackstead wrote: ºLinda,Jan & Friends, º ºI recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that the ºfirst birth after someone takes their final initiation they are born ºinto an abusive family with which they can have nothing important in ºcommon, so as not to become distracted. If so, what about for instance the Buddha and king Janaka, to mention but a few? And Ramana wasn't born into a family of abuse either... But how many abused ones end up in using drugs or even in crime? Certainly more than abused ones ending up as fully enlightened ones º ºOf course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not only ºto my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well. ºAnyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to time. ºI'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with students ºas soon as the word about her theory got out. I've known quite a few cases of abuse, that only caused life long traumas... Probably the lady found a market niche... º ºI wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but she ºseems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity(or ºis this IT?). Likely when the theory turns out to be untenable... Only when sentient life in its entirety is considered a pain, one is willing to give it up - symbolized by visiting Yama (lord of Death) this is narrated in the Kathopanishad. When abuse leads to feelings of unrighteousness or revenge, it is very difficult to give that up... Jan º ºyours in the bonds, ºeric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Jan & Friends, The Buddha and Christ are not ordinary "achievers". Let's not mix things up here. Baba (Muktananda), when commenting on his Guru,Bagavan Nityananda, was very precise in calling him a "born siddha", not an Avatar. All spiritual authorities acknowledge that special beings manifest with special authorities and special tasks. Isn't it easier to accept that? If I realize, it is at least clear to me, that this is an instance of "personal" accomplishment. If I realize in my next life, that may be something else. yours in the bonds, eric , "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: > On 9/2/01 at 12:42 AM EBlackstead@c... wrote: > > ºLinda,Jan & Friends, > º > ºI recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that the > ºfirst birth after someone takes their final initiation they are born > ºinto an abusive family with which they can have nothing important in > ºcommon, so as not to become distracted. > > If so, what about for instance the Buddha and king Janaka, to mention but a few? > And Ramana wasn't born into a family of abuse either... > But how many abused ones end up in using drugs or even in crime? > Certainly more than abused ones ending up as fully enlightened ones > º > ºOf course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not only > ºto my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well. > ºAnyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to time. > ºI'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with students > ºas soon as the word about her theory got out. > > I've known quite a few cases of abuse, that only caused life long traumas... > Probably the lady found a market niche... > > º > ºI wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but she > ºseems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity (or > ºis this IT?). > > Likely when the theory turns out to be untenable... > Only when sentient life in its entirety is considered a pain, > one is willing to give it up - symbolized by visiting Yama (lord of Death) > this is narrated in the Kathopanishad. When abuse leads to feelings of > unrighteousness or revenge, it is very difficult to give that up... > > Jan > º > ºyours in the bonds, > ºeric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 On 9/8/01 at 9:04 PM EBlackstead wrote: ºJan & Friends, º ºThe Buddha and Christ are not ordinary "achievers". Let's not mix ºthings up here. Achieving? Where was mention of that? º ºBaba (Muktananda), when commenting on his Guru,Bagavan Nityananda, ºwas very precise in calling him a "born siddha", not an Avatar. All ºspiritual authorities acknowledge that special beings manifest with ºspecial authorities and special tasks. Isn't it easier to accept that? ºIf I realize, it is at least clear to me, that this is an instance ºof "personal" accomplishment. If I realize in my next life, that may ºbe something else. º ºyours in the bonds, ºeric What do those distinctions bring? Apparently, some never get enough of dividing, labelling and sub-dividing. Yes, that tendency could qualify as infinitely binding... Because there is no end to classification. Unclassified, Jan º º º º, "jb" <kvy9@l...> wrote: º> On 9/2/01 at 12:42 AM EBlackstead@c... wrote: º> º> ºLinda,Jan & Friends, º> º º> ºI recently read of a 'new" teacher-psychologist who posits that ºthe º> ºfirst birth after someone takes their final initiation they are ºborn º> ºinto an abusive family with which they can have nothing important ºin º> ºcommon, so as not to become distracted. º> º> If so, what about for instance the Buddha and king Janaka, to ºmention but a few? º> And Ramana wasn't born into a family of abuse either... º> But how many abused ones end up in using drugs or even in crime? º> Certainly more than abused ones ending up as fully enlightened ºones º> º º> ºOf course the only evidence is anecdotal, but it corresponds not ºonly º> ºto my personal experience, but a lifetime of observation as well. º> ºAnyway, where would we be without a good anecdote from time to ºtime. º> ºI'll bet anything that this woman found herself swamped with ºstudents º> ºas soon as the word about her theory got out. º> º> I've known quite a few cases of abuse, that only caused life long ºtraumas... º> Probably the lady found a market niche... º> º> º º> ºI wish I could remember her name or where I read about her, but ºshe º> ºseems to have entered the purple haze of premature mental vacuity º(or º> ºis this IT?). º> º> Likely when the theory turns out to be untenable... º> Only when sentient life in its entirety is considered a pain, º> one is willing to give it up - symbolized by visiting Yama (lord of ºDeath) º> this is narrated in the Kathopanishad. When abuse leads to ºfeelings of º> unrighteousness or revenge, it is very difficult to give that up... º> º> Jan º> º º> ºyours in the bonds, º> ºeric º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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