Tony/ Emotional Kriyas

[Guest guest]

You are of course right and I shouldn't get too upset when people tout

their gurus, I did when I was still in the 'True believer mindset'.

However I wish someone had pointed out some obvious problems much

earlier.

Poof! Your wish has been granted! People have been pointing out

obvious *problems* early in the game here... not about your previous

external *Guru* that you followed, but about your inner *Guru* you

follow. What makes you think you would have listened then?

I have nothing against the siddha tradition, only against people who

betray it because they cannot control their impulses and molest

people that's all.

I'm afraid my definition of Ahimsa is different from yours, yours if

you pardon me saying so is very politically correct.

To me people who tout cults and certain gurus are just as responsible

for the psychological damage and molestations that take place. Gurus

who have clouds over their heads like sai baba and muktananda, and

the evidence and testimonials is overwhelming, shouldn't be touted.

For it is obvious that many on these lists are pretty vulnerable.

So to me protection of the innocent is more important than pc.

http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/SYDA-Yoga/leave.txt

If they didn't tout then I wouldn't shout!!!

I know I attract criticism but a lot of others get away with verbal

abuse and insults to my person, much more personal than I.

Your silence on this is deafening. I have broad shoulders, so I don't

care it is the double standard that makes me think.

If you are a medium of no censorship, then you should also be a medium

of preventing harm. Like vulnerable people falling into cults from

people touting on your list. This is blunt but in good faith, for you

are aware as I am, to the vulnerability of westerners particularly

Americans to this kind of manipulation. Conning Indians in India is

much more difficult.

Tony, if you really wanna make a difference in the world for the

better regarding this issue, it all starts with you. If wiping out

lousy guru's from the face of the earth is what you would love do,

which it seems it is something you would love to do, then you have to

do it! You gotta start off smaller tho... even smaller than this

large list or the internet -- it won't get you where you want to be,

as you have seen, because you are not ready.

Right now, you are not a Master of this great endeavor... you just

began not too long ago! You gotta sweep the floors of the ashram

first -- can't start off Guru/Master (of wiping out lousy gurus from

the face of the earth), as much as you would love to I am sure.

Wouldn't we all.

Start small and you will discover how big small really is. Start with

you and your own present Guru. Wipe that bastard guru off the face of

the earth! That should take care of the whole.

Love,

xxxtg

[Guest guest]

, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

>

> Tony O'Clery [aoclery]

>

> Namaste Harsha,

>

> I'm afraid my definition of Ahimsa is different from yours, yours

if

> you pardon me saying so is very politically correct.

> ****************************************

> Namaste Sri Tonyji,

>

> I suggest that you form your own group "TonySangha" where your

definition

> of Ahimsa can get full play. You can advertise your group here for

those who

> wish to join you and hear your views. If you need help in forming

TonySangha

> on , we can provide some technical assistance and show

you how to

> do it. It is quite easy.

>

> I am again asking you to review the list

guidelines before

> posting again.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

Namaste Harsha,

My own list would be too much of an ego temptation for me, other than

that I think your response was fancy footwork ---a cop

out...ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 02 Sep 2001 17:36:46 -0000 "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery

writes:

> , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Tony O'Clery [aoclery]

> >

> > Namaste Harsha,

> >

> > I'm afraid my definition of Ahimsa is different from yours, yours

> > if you pardon me saying so is very politically correct.

> > ****************************************

> > Namaste Sri Tonyji,

> >

> > I suggest that you form your own group "TonySangha" where

> > your definition

> > of Ahimsa can get full play. You can advertise your group here for

> > those who

> > wish to join you and hear your views. If you need help in forming

> > TonySangha

> > on , we can provide some technical assistance and show

> > you how to do it. It is quite easy.

> >

> > I am again asking you to review the list

> > guidelines before posting again.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Love to all

> > Harsha

>

> Namaste Harsha,

> My own list would be too much of an ego temptation for me, other

> than

> that I think your response was fancy footwork ---a cop

> out...ONS..Tony.

>

>From the above I infer that your

constant and ongoing podium

mounting activity here *isn't*

"too much of an ego temptation

for" you? Being that he is the

list owner, this is ultimately

Harsha's house. He was indeed

treading lightly, which could

be called "fancy footwork" by

someone who prefers the stomp

of hobnail boots, but a polite

suggestion is not "a cop out" --

you might be better advised to

look at it as "a way out"

instead!

 

Tony, I can assure you that I am

every bit as outspoken as you

are, but when I visit some place

with posted rules I either

manage to comply or I go

elsewhere. Is there any

particular reason why you don't

simply do the same, as per

Harsha's suggestions?

 

 

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