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>May the Light and Love within our hearts guide all those who

>seem lost in darkness. Love conquers all, there is no exception.

>love

Jeannie

Perhaps love can only conquer when one is ready, on an energetic

level, to respond to that vibration. It occurs to me that 'love

conquers all' is not an answer to this madness. A gardener can love

his prize rose bush but if it gets invaded by life destroying bugs he

must cut off the blooms, pull off the infected leaves, trim it down to

it's roots, apply a solution and than love it while he nurtures. the

plant so it can grow back healthy and beautiful.

I live about 90 miles north of the city and was, just this past

Sunday, at the WTC with my granddaughter for her first visit to NYC.

My prayers are with friends and family directly affected by this

senseless act, my prayers are with all victims of this senseless act,

my prayers are with those whose madness is so strong that they chose

to commit this senseless act, my prayers are with us all on this

planet as we live through this. My prayers are also with those who

have to make the decisions on how to deal with this and I hope that

they have the courage to take action and the detachment to do what

has to be done for the greater good of this planet.

Om Shanti,

Linda

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love is and will be even to a lowly bug

-

LC

Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:01 PM

Re: love conquers all

>May the Light and Love within our hearts guide all those who

>seem lost in darkness. Love conquers all, there is no exception.

>love

Jeannie

Perhaps love can only conquer when one is ready, on an energetic

level, to respond to that vibration. It occurs to me that 'love

conquers all' is not an answer to this madness. A gardener can love

his prize rose bush but if it gets invaded by life destroying bugs he

must cut off the blooms, pull off the infected leaves, trim it down to

it's roots, apply a solution and than love it while he nurtures. the

plant so it can grow back healthy and beautiful.

I live about 90 miles north of the city and was, just this past

Sunday, at the WTC with my granddaughter for her first visit to NYC.

My prayers are with friends and family directly affected by this

senseless act, my prayers are with all victims of this senseless act,

my prayers are with those whose madness is so strong that they chose

to commit this senseless act, my prayers are with us all on this

planet as we live through this. My prayers are also with those who

have to make the decisions on how to deal with this and I hope that

they have the courage to take action and the detachment to do what

has to be done for the greater good of this planet.

Om Shanti,

Linda/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Perhaps love can only conquer when one is ready, on an energetic

level, to respond to that vibration. It occurs to me that 'love

conquers all' is not an answer to this madness. A gardener can love

his prize rose bush but if it gets invaded by life destroying bugs he

must cut off the blooms, pull off the infected leaves, trim it down to

it's roots, apply a solution and than love it while he nurtures. the

plant so it can grow back healthy and beautiful.

I live about 90 miles north of the city and was, just this past

Sunday, at the WTC with my granddaughter for her first visit to NYC.

My prayers are with friends and family directly affected by this

senseless act, my prayers are with all victims of this senseless act,

my prayers are with those whose madness is so strong that they chose

to commit this senseless act, my prayers are with us all on this

planet as we live through this. My prayers are also with those who

have to make the decisions on how to deal with this and I hope that

they have the courage to take action and the detachment to do what

has to be done for the greater good of this planet.

Hi Linda...

Boy, your beautiful post touched me deeply. This whole catastrophe

has made me numb, feeling exactly like the loss of a loved one. I

shudder to think you and your granddaughter were recently there, so

close to this madness.

I think when we hear the words ''Love conquers All", we imagine the

word 'love' as we usually define it. Love usually means all those

*good* words/things. But the more I get closer to love, the more I

realize to love is more about acceptance of 'what is', and it's not

what I thought it used to be.

Jesus said 'Love your enemies'. Ugh! Yeeeewwww! (noooo, not

*them*!). Victor Newman of The Young & Restless (richest man in the

world! :-)), says "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

Okay, someone else most likely said that, but for you Y&R fans,

Victor is THE man!

So I've been asking myself, 'exactly what does that mean?'... to love

your enemy. Do we send flowers? Send an email just to say ''I love

you?" or whaaaat? How fragmented can that be when I don't feel

that way?

Well, the only answer I received was that Victor was pretty much on

the nose. Keep them close by bringing the enemy -- our only enemy,

which is all our fears, to our heart... our center of love. Bringing

darkness to light. And where there is no fear, there is only love.

Love does conquer all (fears).

Much Love,

xxxtg

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>love is and will be even to a lowly bug

unfortunately, for the mind and ego - hate also is - love will not

conquer this situation unless as tg suggests we develop a higher

perspective of love itself - we can no longer prescribe to the 'love

is blind' theory.

All paths go somewhere. No path goes

nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all

experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space

of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all

things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Hi TG:

How true.....love is something that seems to have to be redefined

along with ones growth....I like to think of it as the closest we

humans have to the manifestation of God. Your thoughts of it being

the best weapon to darkness is very valid. I believe that it is

thought that there are only two root emotions for us all - one either

comes from fear or one comes from love.

What I feel is important is that we do not use 'love conquers all' as

a reason to believe that we can pray or love this situation

away...sometimes even with love in our hearts action that appears to

be less than loving has to be taken. I do not know if 'turning the

other cheek' is always the best solution and I can't help but wonder

if there are not those, especially women, in some of the countries

under the rule of these terrorists who are not hoping that Nato will

now say "enough is enough".

I have an 18 year old niece who just moved into the NYU dorms two

weeks ago, another niece who is still not allowed back in her school,

a granddaughter who does not quite grasp how to feel about the

destruction of a building she was drawing pictures of in school on

Monday to share with her classmates after her weekend

visit...somehow, telling these girls that if we just love enough

seems foolish and highly inadequate.

Love,

Linda

Hi Linda... >I think when we hear the words ''Love conquers All", we

imagine the word 'love' as we >usually define it. Love usually means

all those *good* words/things. But the more I get >closer to love,

the more I realize to love is more about acceptance of 'what is', and

it's >not what I thought it used to be. >So I've been asking myself,

'exactly what does that mean?'... to love your enemy. Do >we send

flowers? Send an email just to say ''I love you?" or whaaaat? How

<fragmented can that be when I don't feel that way? Well, the only

answer I received was that Victor was pretty much on the nose. Keep

them close by bringing the enemy -- our only enemy, which is all our

fears, to our heart... our center of love. Bringing darkness to

light. And where there is no fear, there is only love. Love does

conquer all (fears). Much Love, xxxtg

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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we can no longer prescribe to the 'love is blind' theory

Love has never been blind it is we who are blind, it is we who deny

the very existence of love. You will not find it outside in the

world unless you find it inside your heart. Only you, each of us can

open that door. This has been an attack on our very Soul and how we

respond will be the ultimate challenge. This is a time of deep

searching of everything we hold to be true and if we are honest with

ourselves maybe just maybe we will find "Love"

intact. All begins within the heart. Open the door of your heart,

see without sight, hear without ears and be still.

love

Jeannie

-

LC

Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:45 AM

Re: love conquers all

>love is and will be even to a lowly bug

unfortunately, for the mind and ego - hate also is - love will not

conquer this situation unless as tg suggests we develop a higher

perspective of love itself - we can no longer prescribe to the 'love

is blind' theory.

All paths go somewhere. No path goes

nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all

experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space

of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all

things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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beyond darkness

"...beyond the purgative is the illuminative way, the way of light;

and beyond that is the unitive way, the way of love in the darkness."

-Bede

Griffeths

i will sing to my dark one

each wild dog howls not alone

still within the crazy packe

sacred harmony prevails

my beloved is my song

all noble hearts wail as one

shattering the maddening moon

changeless yet ever changing

my song is one of darkness

purple midnight's royal glow

each lonesome wolfe wildly calls

into the dark for sweet love

i will sing of mirabai

darkest jubilation unfolding

beyond chaos, within shining stars

a wild and noble packe freely plays

beyond darkness is my love

my beloved calls to me

the sacred packe calls to you

my beloved calls to us all

my beloved is my song

so i sing of my dark one

endlessly without effort

as my mira sings in me

beyond darkness we are not alone

beyond light,

love is,

beyond dark

a white wolfe sings i am you

mark christopher valentine

(september 14, 2001)

-

LC

Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:01 PM

Re: Re: love conquers all

Hi TG:

How true.....love is something that seems to have to be redefined

along with ones growth....I like to think of it as the closest we

humans have to the manifestation of God. Your thoughts of it being

the best weapon to darkness is very valid. I believe that it is

thought that there are only two root emotions for us all - one either

comes from fear or one comes from love.

What I feel is important is that we do not use 'love conquers all' as

a reason to believe that we can pray or love this situation

away...sometimes even with love in our hearts action that appears to

be less than loving has to be taken. I do not know if 'turning the

other cheek' is always the best solution and I can't help but wonder

if there are not those, especially women, in some of the countries

under the rule of these terrorists who are not hoping that Nato will

now say "enough is enough".

I have an 18 year old niece who just moved into the NYU dorms two

weeks ago, another niece who is still not allowed back in her school,

a granddaughter who does not quite grasp how to feel about the

destruction of a building she was drawing pictures of in school on

Monday to share with her classmates after her weekend

visit...somehow, telling these girls that if we just love enough

seems foolish and highly inadequate.

Love,

Linda

Hi Linda... >I think when we hear the words ''Love conquers All", we

imagine the word 'love' as we >usually define it. Love usually means

all those *good* words/things. But the more I get >closer to love,

the more I realize to love is more about acceptance of 'what is', and

it's >not what I thought it used to be. >So I've been asking myself,

'exactly what does that mean?'... to love your enemy. Do >we send

flowers? Send an email just to say ''I love you?" or whaaaat? How

<fragmented can that be when I don't feel that way? Well, the only

answer I received was that Victor was pretty much on the nose. Keep

them close by bringing the enemy -- our only enemy, which is all our

fears, to our heart... our center of love. Bringing darkness to

light. And where there is no fear, there is only love. Love does

conquer all (fears). Much Love, xxxtg

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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Dear Jeannie:

My views are not about the ability or inability to open my heart.

Those who understand the concept of an open heart and the peace that

exists only within will continue to work to uplift. I believe that

there are those who live in madness and there are those who must take

care of the madness - give them a cure if you will - I simply believe

that the spiritual community can not at this time in history fix this

situation by prayer or meditation.

There are many scholars who believe that the stories of both the

Ramayana and the Bhavagad Gita are based in historical fact.

Everyone has their part to play in this world those who are on a

spiritual path will play theirs but so will those who play a

different role. It is at this time that we need to support through

love our leaders as they make the decisions they need to make.

Om Shanti

Linda

>Love has never been blind it is we who are blind, it is we who deny

the very existence of love. You will not >find it outside in the

world unless you find it inside your heart. Only you, each of us can

open that door. This >has been an attack on our very Soul and how we

respond will be the ultimate challenge. This is a time of >deep

searching of everything we hold to be true and if we are honest with

ourselves maybe just maybe we >will find "Love"

>intact. All begins within the heart. Open the door of your heart,

see without sight, hear without ears and be >still.

>love

>Jeannie

-

LC

Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:45 AM

Re: love conquers all

>love is and will be even to a lowly bug

unfortunately, for the mind and ego - hate also is - love will not

conquer this situation unless as tg suggests we develop a higher

perspective of love itself - we can no longer prescribe to the 'love

is blind' theory.

All paths go somewhere. No path goes

nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all

experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space

of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all

things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

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>How true.....love is something that seems to have to be redefined

along with ones growth....I like to think of it as the closest we

humans have to the manifestation of God. Your thoughts of it being

the best weapon to darkness is very valid. I believe that it is

thought that there are only two root emotions for us all - one either

comes from fear or one comes from love.

What I feel is important is that we do not use 'love conquers all' as

a reason to believe that we can pray or love this situation

away...sometimes even with love in our hearts action that appears to

be less than loving has to be taken.

Yes! How many times I have found my center by letting go of fear and

confusion and ended up doing some action that never would have

occurred to me to do, that normally would have seemed to me as less

than loving. I amaze myself at times as I'm a born wuss. :-) (But

really!) When it's clear, it's clear.

>I do not know if 'turning the other cheek' is always the best

solution and I can't help but wonder if there are not those,

especially women, in some of the countries under the rule of these

terrorists who are not hoping that Nato will now say "enough is

enough".

I'm sure they are! And if they don't say it, we can say it here,

right now... Enough is enough! I never understood that 'turning the

other cheek' thing, as again, it felt terribly fragmented for me.

After contemplating on it years ago, I got that it meant 'looking at

(the person/the situation) from a different angle... from the angel

(whoops, freudslip) of love instead of fear. And again, love meaning

'without fear', and not our usual meaning of what we think love means.

I have an 18 year old niece who just moved into the NYU dorms two

weeks ago, another niece who is still not allowed back in her school,

a granddaughter who does not quite grasp how to feel about the

destruction of a building she was drawing pictures of in school on

Monday to share with her classmates after her weekend

visit...somehow, telling these girls that if we just love enough

seems foolish and highly inadequate.

Hey, I hear ya' and understand your point. I know the sharing

pictures has to be difficult for your granddaughter to grasp too.

Bless her little heart.

I liked what you said in another post -- Give our support to our

leaders as they make the decisions they need to make. Excellent.

School is back on here, people are back to work, the airlines are

pretty much running, the eye of a hurricane just ran through here...

things seem to be getting back to normalcy. But I don't see how

anything will ever be the same again. That may be a good thing.

Love,

xxxtg

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The following is from Sandeep Chatterjee (a contributor to many of

these lists):

 

"India is in a mess. You have maybe couple of million people so

poor, that they are just sitting waiting for death. Not from any

disease, but from hunger, for lack of ability to produce or buy any

food. Can you imagine, a million people, silently waiting for the

relief of death to arrive? Statistically, they only come to 1-2% of

the total population, so, a nice little figure forgotten about, in

Govt reports. And the cruel joke is that from this year , India will

me a major player in exporting food grains to the International

markets."

 

The question: Is love helping these people ("conquering" the problem

of global starvation & misappropriation of resources) -- and if so,

let's see the evidence.

 

If not -- are these people unloved/unloving? How is "love" helping

them?

 

, leteegee@a... wrote:

> Linda wrote:

> > >>

> >> >How true.....love is something that seems to have to be

redefined along

> >> with ones growth....I like to think of it as the closest we

humans have to

> >> the manifestation of God. Your thoughts of it being the best

weapon to

> >> darkness is very valid. I believe that it is thought that there

are only

> >> two root emotions for us all - one either comes from fear or one

comes

> >> from love.

> >>

> >> What I feel is important is that we do not use 'love conquers

all' as a

> >> reason to believe that we can pray or love this situation

away...sometimes

> >> even with love in our hearts action that appears to be less than

loving

> >>

> >

>

> Yes! How many times I have found my center by letting go of fear

and

> confusion and ended up doing some action that never would have

occurred to me

> to do, that normally would have seemed to me as less than loving.

I amaze

> myself at times as I'm a born wuss. :-) (But really!) When it's

clear, it's

> clear.

>

> >I do not know if 'turning the other cheek' is always the best

solution and I

> can't help

> > >> but wonder if there are not those, especially women, in some

of the

> >> countries under the rule of these terrorists who are not hoping

that Nato

> >> will now say "enough is enough".

> >

>

> I'm sure they are! And if they don't say it, we can say it here,

right

> now... Enough is enough! I never understood that 'turning the

other cheek'

> thing, as again, it felt terribly fragmented for me. After

contemplating on

> it years ago, I got that it meant 'looking at (the person/the

situation) from

> a different angle... from the angel (whoops, freudslip) of love

instead of

> fear. And again, love meaning 'without fear', and not our usual

meaning of

> what we think love means.

> > >>

> >> I have an 18 year old niece who just moved into the NYU dorms

two weeks

> >> ago, another niece who is still not allowed back in her school,

a

> >> granddaughter who does not quite grasp how to feel about the

destruction

> >> of a building she was drawing pictures of in school on Monday to

share

> >> with her classmates after her weekend visit...somehow, telling

these girls

> >>

> >

>

> Hey, I hear ya' and understand your point. I know the sharing

pictures has

> to be difficult for your granddaughter to grasp too. Bless her

little heart.

>

>

> I liked what you said in another post -- Give our support to our

leaders as

> they make the decisions they need to make. Excellent.

>

> School is back on here, people are back to work, the airlines are

pretty much

> running, the eye of a hurricane just ran through here... things

seem to be

> getting back to normalcy. But I don't see how anything will ever

be the same

> again. That may be a good thing.

>

> Love,

> xxxtg

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