Guest guest Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 the reign of fire "the day of the lord comes with wrath...." -Isaiah 13.9 the sword of manjusri ignites a reign of fire what is the difference between the forgiven and the unforgiven who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed how does a hero become a terrorist why is a terrorist a martyr when is a martyr a god my lord manjusri wields his sword with tears of wrath a god is a martyr when a martyr is why a terrorist becomes a terrorist as a hero does who is the oppressed oppressing the oppressor the unforgiven and the forgiven burn in the same fire my lady kwan yin weeps tears of oil upon a holy fire we bind ourselves in the flames of our suffering your sacred heart is our heart burning on a stake at the center of the fire we enthrone another martyr in the darkness all consuming compassion burns once again we bind ourselves to a wheel of holy fire the tears of kwan yin are fire refining the reign of fire the night of the beloved comes with compassion a compassion that fears not a reign of wrath and there is only burning that never ends as a bride dressed in flames of love we burn brightly for you dark one burning, burning, burning oppressor striking oppressed one intimate embrace we burn beloved hate entangling love beloved we burn when is a martyr a god why is a martyr a terrorist how does a terrorist become a hero who is the oppressed and who is the oppressor what is the difference between the unforgiven and the forgiven come manjusri slay our ignoble hearts with your just sword come kwan yin weeping with us show us the way of bodhicitta mark christopher valentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 On 9/13/01 at 12:05 PM White Wolfe wrote: [...] how does a hero become a terrorist why is a terrorist a martyr when is a martyr a god [...] Perhaps this can aid to fresh up memory: http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/be25c7c81949e71a052567270057c82b/aa73b02d9b0d8fdc852560e50074cc33?OpenDocument When 1 country can violate UN resolutions and get away with it - protected even! - while other countries are treated with bombs for a similar transgression, what could that breed? Ahimsa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 Dear Jan: Yes , it could breed ahimsa in a culture like Tibet where love and reason are held in high esteem. Accurate dissemination of information like the document you posted is much rarer in out country than the majority believes. I have a suggestion for the erradication of terrorism. It is this; do what is necessary diplomatically and economically to reinstate the Tibetans who have protested peacefully about Chinese occupation. Then point a finger at the terrorists and say "That is how you do it". Until a people can expect justice they won't respect it. Terrorists are wrong in their approach. The world has to show them they are wrong by example. I know in my life I resist when someone makes me do something even when I have been wrong. Show me I'm wrong and I will change myself. How can a reasonable person ask for help while killing innocents. Yours truly, Bob G. , "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: > > On 9/13/01 at 12:05 PM White Wolfe wrote: > [...] > how does a hero become a terrorist > why is a terrorist a martyr > when is a martyr a god > [...] > Perhaps this can aid to fresh up memory: http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/be25c7c81949e71a052567270057c82b/aa73 b02d9b0d8fdc852560e50074cc33?OpenDocument > When 1 country can violate UN resolutions and get away with it - protected even! - while other countries are treated with bombs > for a similar transgression, what could that breed? Ahimsa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 Dear Bob, Tibet already had a culture of non-violence when the Chinese invaded - nevertheless there have been a few incidents of Tibetan youths, having lost their faith in it... It is never too late to admit an error or a neglect and to repair the damage. This would mean, enforcing the UN resolutions mentioned at that site. It won't have the same 'beneficial' effect of an immediate enforcement but it could prevent disaster_in the_making. Many Israelis are emigrating already - for them, life has become too unpleasant. The result will be a deteriorating state of economy and then, defense... That will be interpreted as a "reward" of violent action - hence paving the way for more violence - against "the enemy who never gave in". In a position of power like that of an eagle, one better gives in to a pigeon - 1 or 2 are harmless at any time - excited pigeons can be rather aggressive and noisy... Jan On 9/13/01 at 1:40 PM bgbbyg wrote: ºDear Jan: ºYes , it could breed ahimsa in a culture like Tibet where love and ºreason are held in high esteem. ºAccurate dissemination of information like the document you posted is ºmuch rarer in out country than the majority believes. ºI have a suggestion for the erradication of terrorism. It is this; ºdo what is necessary diplomatically and economically to reinstate the ºTibetans who have protested peacefully about Chinese occupation. ºThen point a finger at the terrorists and say "That is how you do ºit". Until a people can expect justice they won't respect it. ºTerrorists are wrong in their approach. The world has to show them ºthey are wrong by example. ºI know in my life I resist when someone makes me do something even ºwhen I have been wrong. Show me I'm wrong and I will change myself. ºHow can a reasonable person ask for help while killing innocents. º ºYours truly, Bob G. º º º, "jb" <janb@a...> wrote: º> º> On 9/13/01 at 12:05 PM White Wolfe wrote: º> [...] º> how does a hero become a terrorist º> why is a terrorist a martyr º> when is a martyr a god º> [...] º> Perhaps this can aid to fresh up memory: ºhttp://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/be25c7c81949e71a052567270057c82b/aa73 ºb02d9b0d8fdc852560e50074cc33?OpenDocument º> When 1 country can violate UN resolutions and get away with it - ºprotected even! - while other countries are treated with bombs º> for a similar transgression, what could that breed? Ahimsa? º º º º/join º º º º º ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome ºall to a. º º º ºYour use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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