Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Kundalini practices and rituals and their mystical visionary manifestations are described in one form or another in almost every religion or spiritual tradition. Sages and scriptures declare, however, that although many superconscious experiences and manifestations of siddhis are possible through Kundalini Yoga, Self reveals itself only in a calm and clear mind. In Patanjali's Yoga sutras, Ahimsa (the attitude of nonviolence and amity towards living beings) is mentioned as the first yama (rule or restraint) for a Yogi. The ancient sages say that the practice of Ahimsa brings peace. A peaceful mind that has been refined through self-awareness and devotion has the capacity to surrender to the Lord of Life, Lord of the Heart. For such a devotee, the Goddess does not waste time showing the scenery but takes the devotee directly to the Source, the Heart, and reveals that the Goddess, Devotee, the Lord are all rooted in the Heart, the Self. All scenery and beautiful paths merge in the Self that is It Self the nature of Self-Existent Beauty. Here is a quote from "Day by Day with Bhagavan" where Sri Ramana quotes a poet saint: Not knowing who I was, I used to speak of "I" and "mine" But I am You and mine is You, Lord whom all the gods adore. (Nammalwar) Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Dear Harsha You wrote: >>> Sages and scriptures declare, however, that although many superconscious experiences and manifestations of siddhis are possible through Kundalini Yoga, Self reveals itself only in a calm and clear mind. As you know Harsha, I consider Kundalini our *innate self healing process*, a process that helps us regenerate (reconstitute, reclaim, reintegrate, restore, etc.) ourselves to our original human divine being. The process works on seven mutually involved levels in our being: physical, creative (procreative and recreative), volitional, emotional, vocational, intellectual/inspirational and spiritual (according to seven energy states as manifested through seven energy centers in our manifest being). Knowing and trusting THIS, we can allow the kundalini process take its course with all its 'idiosyncrasies'. There is no need really to warn anybody or be worried about excesses... trust in the process is enough and imperative. I purposely never associate this reintegration process with the 'Goddess' or 'external Shakti' or 'external Holy Spirit' or 'the serpent at the base of the spine', as such characterizations tend to place the impetus of that process outside ourselves... which is actually not so at all... It is the divine within/without us, our original human/divine self that is the healing 'agent'. (If I indeed can use such a word.) >>> ...Self reveals itself only in a calm and clear mind. >>> A peaceful mind that has been refined through self-awareness and devotion has the capacity to surrender to the Lord of Life, Lord of the Heart. That refinement process in "self-awareness", the "calm and clear mind" is a part of this 'self healing process'. Based on a person's life of traumas and hurts, it works out "this or that way..." We are not allowed to put expectations, qualifications or even the slightest judgment as obstacles in the way of healing. If I may say so, the stage of "devotee and devotion" is actually one-sevenths of that reintegration process... to do indeed with the heart centre... indispensable but only part of a greater whole... And also, if I may say so, the stage of the "calm and clear mind" is also one-sevenths of that reintegration process... to do indeed with the mental centre... indispensable but only part of a greater whole... >>> For such a devotee, the Goddess does not waste time showing the scenery With all due respect, Harsha, I'm not much in favour of such characterization... It puts a judgmental twist on the "function of god/dess" within our whole being. There is no "waste of time"... except there, where a non ahimsic person 'wastes another being one way or another'. >>> but takes the devotee directly to the Source, the Heart, and reveals that the Goddess, Devotee, the Lord are all rooted in the Heart, the Self. We have to be more explicit and careful when grouping together words such as 'Source', 'Heart', 'Self' and the like. In the original texts each of these words is used very specific in its meaning. Grouping words this way, may actually confuse the person who is reintegrating. Terms like 'The Lord', 'Goddess', 'Shakti' do the same. When we introduce any of such words to an individual not familiar with those ideas such a person gets easily deviated from their own straight path of reintegration. >>> scenery and beautiful paths merge in the Self that is It Self the nature of Self-Existent Beauty. The "scenery and beautiful paths" indeed merge, so why putting limitations on them by using such words as "does not waste time." Just some well meant notes Harsha... We are not allowed to disenfranchise any individual in their way of self healing... They have been disenfranchised already in a very personal way... that is why they are healing...and how they are healing... in a very individual way... and "no way is the quickest but their own way..." and that is what the Kundalini process really entails. (No pun intended. Eh... actually... the pun was intended ) Love, Harsha, Wim (Of course Harsha, now I have disenfranchised you a bit... Oh Wim ) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release 9/5/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Wim Borsboom [wim] Sunday, September 16, 2001 12:28 PM RE: Kundalini Shakti and Ahimsa The "scenery and beautiful paths" indeed merge, so why putting limitations on them by using such words as "does not waste time." Just some well meant notes Harsha... We are not allowed to disenfranchise any individual in their way of self healing... They have been disenfranchised already in a very personal way... that is why they are healing...and how they are healing... in a very individual way... and "no way is the quickest but their own way..." and that is what the Kundalini process really entails. (No pun intended. Eh... actually... the pun was intended ) Love, Harsha, Wim (Of course Harsha, now I have disenfranchised you a bit... Oh Wim ) ********************************************************* Thanks Wim. Always grateful for your wisdom. Sorry for the wrong choice of words. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 A beautiful explanation, Harsha! The lines Bhagwan quoted remind me of what Jesus said to his disciples at their last supper together: "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." >Kundalini practices and rituals and their mystical visionary manifestations >are described in one form or another in almost every religion or spiritual >tradition. > >Sages and scriptures declare, however, that although many superconscious >experiences and manifestations of siddhis are possible through Kundalini >Yoga, Self reveals itself only in a calm and clear mind. > >In Patanjali's Yoga sutras, Ahimsa (the attitude of nonviolence and amity >towards living beings) is mentioned as the first yama (rule or restraint) >for a Yogi. The ancient sages say that the practice of Ahimsa brings peace. > >A peaceful mind that has been refined through self-awareness and devotion >has the capacity to surrender to the Lord of Life, Lord of the Heart. For >such a devotee, the Goddess does not waste time showing the scenery but >takes the devotee directly to the Source, the Heart, and reveals that the >Goddess, Devotee, the Lord are all rooted in the Heart, the Self. All >scenery and beautiful paths merge in the Self that is It Self the nature of >Self-Existent Beauty. > >Here is a quote from "Day by Day with Bhagavan" where Sri Ramana quotes a >poet saint: > >Not knowing who I was, >I used to speak of "I" and "mine" >But I am You and mine is You, >Lord whom all the gods adore. (Nammalwar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 >>Harsha: >> For such a devotee, the Goddess does not waste time showing the scenery > >Wim: >With all due respect, Harsha, I'm not much in favour of such >characterization... >It puts a judgmental twist on the "function of god/dess" within our whole >being. There is no "waste of time"... except there, where a non ahimsic >person 'wastes another being one way or another'. > >>Harsha: >> but takes the devotee directly to the Source, the Heart, and reveals >that the >Goddess, Devotee, the Lord are all rooted in the Heart, the Self. Wim dear, Your way is clearly more intellectual and no doubt perfect for you. But don't try to restrict everyone else's understanding within such narrow laces. What Harsha is saying is "the secret of secrets" of the Gita: > To love is to know me, > My innermost nature, > The truth that I am: > Through this knowledge he enters > At once to my Being.... > > The Lord lives in the heart of every creature. He turns them round >and round upon the wheel of >his Maya. Take refuge utterly in him. By >his grace you will find supreme peace, and the state >which is beyond all >change. > Now I have taught you that wisdom which is the secret of secrets.... >the deepest of all truths. > > Give me your whole heart, > Love and adore me, > Worship me always, > Bow to me only, > And you shall find me: > This is my promise > Who love you dearly. > > _Bhagavad-Gita_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Dear Dharma, Good that you are back, we missed you much... You wrote: >>> Wim dear, Your way is clearly more intellectual and no doubt perfect for you. But don't try to restrict everyone else's understanding within such narrow laces. <<< I actually tried to make a case for NOT being restrictive at all... That the reader has to use some intellect to read what I write does not mean that I am intellectual... you may want to come over and touch me or experience me fully... ;-) Each of the traditional yogas, there are at least seven, from Hatha through Tantra and Bhakti to Jnani yoga, is a part of a holistic reintegrating process that every traumatized being will traverse, something that Aravinda Ghose (Sri Aurobindo) called "Integral Yoga" or the "Synthesis of Yoga." I wrote: >>> If I may say so, the stage of "devotee and devotion" is actually one-sevenths of that reintegration process... to do indeed with the heart centre... indispensable but only part of a greater whole... And also, if I may say so, the stage of the "calm and clear mind" is also one-sevenths of that reintegration process... to do indeed with the mental centre... indispensable but only part of a greater whole...<<< And I will phrase this differently, if I may do so, the stage of the "calm and clear mind" belongs to that integrative stage in which 'intellect and inspiration' (they are intricately interwoven) is one-sevenths of that full reintegration process... indispensable but only part of a greater whole... Love, Dharma...Wim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release 9/5/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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