FW: Dan is expressing Dan correctly

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Hi there, my dear Dan...

 

I wrote:

> > No criticism intended...

> > just pointing out the need

> > to express oneself correctly...

> > the first step to regain one's realization.

 

It is about time that you responded, Dan.

Did you notice how the word 'correctly' triggered you?

 

I wrote:

> And anyway, in full reality of love

> there is no distinction between you and I.

 

You wrote:

> If what you say is true,

> then you are El and Paul.

 

What I say is true, but that does not at all lead to your conclusion that I

am "El and Paul."

That we, in full reality of love, feel at-oneness - no distinction - does

not at all mean that I 'am' the one I love. No matter how we love and how

much... we cannot physically be what we love, except ourselves... That is

why in love there is play between the lover and the beloved, the play of

reciprocal mutuality.

Love is that wonderful creative play of having found that there IS the

other, that there IS something else besides "I". That you are not the other,

and that you are not something else is fully celebrated in that creative

play that some call Divine Leela. There is no reason in reality to conclude

that 'not being the other' is in principle a painful or problematic

separation, that it is some kind of suffering that has to be overcome, a

desire to be fulfilled, a trauma to be healed.

 

Innate and original, unconditional human/divine love does not work that way.

> You already are them,

> and are being them correctly,

> without them having to say something

> in a way that suits Wim,

> in order for you to be being them correctly.

 

"You are already them" ???

I am not!

I am not even trying to!

 

And if you think that it is the purpose of existence and reality to be

one-another, than I suggest that you live in an impossible universe.

What a physical problem that would be, being one-another, being everything

else!

The joyous wonder of being separate - not being the other, not being

something else, not being somewhere else - allows, enables and urges us to

love 'what and who we are not' as much as we love ourselves.

 

Unconditional, unquestioned and unquestionable 'love of self' is our 'steady

state of being' in principle.

(Ad originatum, ad infinitum and anything in between.)

That is as true and unquestionable as 'loving and being loved by the other'.

(Ad originatum, ad infinitum and anything in between.)

 

No matter what, no amount or intensity of loving will merge multiple and

separate entities into one physical unit - the one becoming or being the

other- an undifferentiated glob!

That is not the way the reality of unconditional love goes in this universe.

Such kind of oneness is only mentally and conceptually imaginable, but not

realizable in reality.

 

Reality, we have to keep reminding ourselves, has to do with the world of

real things.

(Etymology: 'real', relating to things. Latin 'realis', from 'res' = thing,

fact. Sanskrit 'rayi' = property)

Reality is not a mental construct or conception.

> If what you say is true,

> then you are El and Paul

 

We cannot be each other,

We do not need to be each other,

We do not need to become each other.

 

I do not say that,

I cannot say that,

Nobody can ever say that.

And if anybody concludes that any realized being says so, then he or she did

not get what the realized being said.

 

So, let's not stumble over words.

I sit here.

You sit where you sit.

An with a bit of luck we rediscover our mutual and reciprocal love...

 

I am not El and Paul...nor will I ever be...

> If you are El and Paul,

> then there is no need for them

> to say things the way that Wim thinks

> things should be said

 

Wim does not think... and the word "should" is not in my active

vocabulary...

That you interpreted what I said the way you did, that I have no control

over... But I urge you not to assume that what I said and what you

understood, corresponded.

> in order to express oneself correctly.

 

The word "correctly" has actually nothing to do with correcting or being

corrected, words so full of charge and possible judgment.

That your understanding of the word "correct" keys you in, one way or

another, prevented you from understanding me 'directly' and 'correctly',

'un-mediated', 'immediately'.

 

"Make straight (Latin 'dirigite') the way of the master (Latin 'dominus')."

 

Words like 'correct and direct' have to do with putting or leading things

straight, lining them up... not because they were wrong in the first place,

but to do them right, right of the bat.

 

The opposite of 'right' is not 'wrong', as there are no opposites in

reality.

Even to say that the opposite of 'right' is 'left' is scientifically

untenable.

In 'relativity' there are no opposites, no absolutes, only mutual and

reciprocal relationships between separate entities...

 

So Dan, try again.

> What is self-evident is not a realization

> that needs to be reclaimed by

> speaking correctly in the way that Wim

> or Dan thinks is correct-

> it is truly self-evident and timeless.

> Being timeless, there is no first step, second step, etc.

 

There is no way around 'time and space' Dan, that is the creative play we

divine humans do...

Also time and space are scientifically correct, has to do with E=mc.c

 

Time and space are an intrinsic part of that creative play of love...

 

Many people have some difficulty with the reality of time and space, but

that does not mean that time and space in themselves are a problem... Time

and space are actually the solution to a 'problem', as they occur

simultaneously with the 'problem'.

(Problem, from the Greek 'proballein' = to throw forward, pro = forward +

ballein = to throw. )

 

The way the word 'problem' was originally invented and designed by the first

human being using that word, had nothing to do with 'difficulties' or

something that we now call problematic...

 

Love, Dan ... Wim

 

 

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