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In a message dated 9/25/01 5:46:52 AM Central Daylight Time,

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> Yes, no Love without surrender and no Love without pain.

> But would that be the greatest risk?

> Wouldn't that be, taking the risk not to take any risk?

>

No love without surrender?

No love without pain?

 

One must never forget LOVE IS..... Always..... whether we surrender or not,

whether we are in pain or not.... What must one surrender? What pain must one

be afflicted with? Perhaps you speak of the pain and the surrender one goes

thru to find the love?? Is that what you mean? However, Love Is,

regardless... To say that Love is not unless we surrender, and Love is not

without experiencing pain, is to hide that love from your very self....

 

One must merely embrace the love, and discover its source is never ending.

No beginning, no ending... JUST IS...

 

Love to you all, always, and forever

from my heart to yours.

 

With Delight

In Light and Love

Lynette

 

"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

 

 

 

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On 9/25/01 at 9:45 AM JustLynette wrote:

 

ºIn a message dated 9/25/01 5:46:52 AM Central Daylight Time,

º writes:

º

º

º> Yes, no Love without surrender and no Love without pain.

º> But would that be the greatest risk?

º> Wouldn't that be, taking the risk not to take any risk?

º>

ºNo love without surrender?

ºNo love without pain?

 

For rocks that might be different - ask them.

º

ºOne must never forget LOVE IS..... Always..... whether we surrender or

ºnot,

ºwhether we are in pain or not.... What must one surrender? What pain must

ºone

ºbe afflicted with? Perhaps you speak of the pain and the surrender one

ºgoes

ºthru to find the love?? Is that what you mean? However, Love Is,

ºregardless... To say that Love is not unless we surrender, and Love is not

ºwithout experiencing pain, is to hide that love from your very self....

 

º

ºOne must merely embrace the love, and discover its source is never ending.

ºNo beginning, no ending... JUST IS...

 

Does love require a "must"? How would one become aware of love to begin with?

That question is its answer - and it can be experientially verified.

No love without awareness but awareness doesn't require anything -

it is free.

 

Freedom,

 

Jan

º

ºLove to you all, always, and forever

ºfrom my heart to yours.

º

º With Delight

º In Light and Love

º Lynette

º

º"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

º http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

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Is love the greatest risk? Risk implies there is something to fear. Love knows

no fear.

.. We risk having our expectations shattered, that is what causes pain. We risk

behaving 'foolishly', but who ever died of embarassment? We risk losing

ourselves, but that's only when we have no sense of self.

Surrender is a relief. Surrendering to love is bliss. Experiencing the flow

of love travelling through our hearts and souls is a sensation which can never

be equaled.

True love knows only acceptance, respect and is unconditional.

If we think we have been hurt by love we have failed to look at ourselves to

see where the real pain is coming from. The real risk we take is in coming face

to face with ourselves and discovering we are responsible for our own hurts.

I send my love out to you all, Monica

jb <kvy9 wrote: On 9/25/01 at 9:45 AM JustLynette

wrote:

 

ºIn a message dated 9/25/01 5:46:52 AM Central Daylight Time,

º writes:

º

º

º> Yes, no Love without surrender and no Love without pain.

º> But would that be the greatest risk?

º> Wouldn't that be, taking the risk not to take any risk?

º>

ºNo love without surrender?

ºNo love without pain?

 

For rocks that might be different - ask them.

º

ºOne must never forget LOVE IS..... Always..... whether we surrender or

ºnot,

ºwhether we are in pain or not.... What must one surrender? What pain must

ºone

ºbe afflicted with? Perhaps you speak of the pain and the surrender one

ºgoes

ºthru to find the love?? Is that what you mean? However, Love Is,

ºregardless... To say that Love is not unless we surrender, and Love is not

ºwithout experiencing pain, is to hide that love from your very self....

 

º

ºOne must merely embrace the love, and discover its source is never ending.

ºNo beginning, no ending... JUST IS...

 

Does love require a "must"? How would one become aware of love to begin with?

That question is its answer - and it can be experientially verified.

No love without awareness but awareness doesn't require anything -

it is free.

 

Freedom,

 

Jan

º

ºLove to you all, always, and forever

ºfrom my heart to yours.

º

º With Delight

º In Light and Love

º Lynette

º

º"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

º http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

 

 

 

 

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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Free is free from fear, among others

In freedom there are no needs

Hence there can't be the need to know love

Nor a need for other experiences.

Or a need to take or not to take risks

Freedom is beyond description and prescription

No analogy available.

But for Love goes the analogy of gravity - it only attracts.

 

Peace,

 

Jan

 

On 9/25/01 at 4:23 PM lady monica wrote:

 

ºIs love the greatest risk? Risk implies there is something to fear. Love

ºknows no fear.

º. We risk having our expectations shattered, that is what causes pain.

ºWe risk behaving 'foolishly', but who ever died of embarassment? We risk

ºlosing ourselves, but that's only when we have no sense of self.

º Surrender is a relief. Surrendering to love is bliss. Experiencing the

ºflow of love travelling through our hearts and souls is a sensation which

ºcan never be equaled.

º True love knows only acceptance, respect and is unconditional.

º If we think we have been hurt by love we have failed to look at ourselves

ºto see where the real pain is coming from. The real risk we take is in

ºcoming face to face with ourselves and discovering we are responsible for

ºour own hurts.

ºI send my love out to you all, Monica

º jb <kvy9 wrote: On 9/25/01 at 9:45 AM

ºJustLynette wrote:

º

ººIn a message dated 9/25/01 5:46:52 AM Central Daylight Time,

ºº writes:

ºº

ºº

ºº> Yes, no Love without surrender and no Love without pain.

ºº> But would that be the greatest risk?

ºº> Wouldn't that be, taking the risk not to take any risk?

ºº>

ººNo love without surrender?

ººNo love without pain?

º

ºFor rocks that might be different - ask them.

ºº

ººOne must never forget LOVE IS..... Always..... whether we surrender or

ººnot,

ººwhether we are in pain or not.... What must one surrender? What pain must

ººone

ººbe afflicted with? Perhaps you speak of the pain and the surrender one

ººgoes

ººthru to find the love?? Is that what you mean? However, Love Is,

ººregardless... To say that Love is not unless we surrender, and Love is

ºnot

ººwithout experiencing pain, is to hide that love from your very self....

º

ºº

ººOne must merely embrace the love, and discover its source is never ending.

ººNo beginning, no ending... JUST IS...

º

ºDoes love require a "must"? How would one become aware of love to begin

ºwith?

ºThat question is its answer - and it can be experientially verified.

ºNo love without awareness but awareness doesn't require anything -

ºit is free.

º

ºFreedom,

º

ºJan

ºº

ººLove to you all, always, and forever

ººfrom my heart to yours.

ºº

ºº With Delight

ºº In Light and Love

ºº Lynette

ºº

ºº"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

ºº http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

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Ah Jan,

you are right, in freedom there are no needs, only wants.

We are free to want love, to want to take perceived risks, that is the nature of

freedom. To choose. With love Monica

jb <janb wrote: Free is free from fear, among others

In freedom there are no needs

Hence there can't be the need to know love

Nor a need for other experiences.

Or a need to take or not to take risks

Freedom is beyond description and prescription

No analogy available.

But for Love goes the analogy of gravity - it only attracts.

 

Peace,

 

Jan

 

On 9/25/01 at 4:23 PM lady monica wrote:

 

ºIs love the greatest risk? Risk implies there is something to fear. Love

ºknows no fear.

º. We risk having our expectations shattered, that is what causes pain.

ºWe risk behaving 'foolishly', but who ever died of embarassment? We risk

ºlosing ourselves, but that's only when we have no sense of self.

º Surrender is a relief. Surrendering to love is bliss. Experiencing the

ºflow of love travelling through our hearts and souls is a sensation which

ºcan never be equaled.

º True love knows only acceptance, respect and is unconditional.

º If we think we have been hurt by love we have failed to look at ourselves

ºto see where the real pain is coming from. The real risk we take is in

ºcoming face to face with ourselves and discovering we are responsible for

ºour own hurts.

ºI send my love out to you all, Monica

º jb wrote: On 9/25/01 at 9:45 AM

ºJustLynette wrote:

º

ººIn a message dated 9/25/01 5:46:52 AM Central Daylight Time,

ºº writes:

ºº

ºº

ºº> Yes, no Love without surrender and no Love without pain.

ºº> But would that be the greatest risk?

ºº> Wouldn't that be, taking the risk not to take any risk?

ºº>

ººNo love without surrender?

ººNo love without pain?

º

ºFor rocks that might be different - ask them.

ºº

ººOne must never forget LOVE IS..... Always..... whether we surrender or

ººnot,

ººwhether we are in pain or not.... What must one surrender? What pain must

ººone

ººbe afflicted with? Perhaps you speak of the pain and the surrender one

ººgoes

ººthru to find the love?? Is that what you mean? However, Love Is,

ººregardless... To say that Love is not unless we surrender, and Love is

ºnot

ººwithout experiencing pain, is to hide that love from your very self....

º

ºº

ººOne must merely embrace the love, and discover its source is never ending.

ººNo beginning, no ending... JUST IS...

º

ºDoes love require a "must"? How would one become aware of love to begin

ºwith?

ºThat question is its answer - and it can be experientially verified.

ºNo love without awareness but awareness doesn't require anything -

ºit is free.

º

ºFreedom,

º

ºJan

ºº

ººLove to you all, always, and forever

ººfrom my heart to yours.

ºº

ºº With Delight

ºº In Light and Love

ºº Lynette

ºº

ºº"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

ºº http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

 

 

 

 

/join

 

 

 

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

 

 

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Dearest Jan,

{you said}

Does love require a "must"? How would one become aware of love to begin with?

That question is its answer - and it can be experientially verified.

No love without awareness but awareness doesn't require anything -

it is free.

 

No, love does not require anything, you know that. :))))

 

No Love without Awareness? Again, I say.... Love IS....

 

Love does not require pain, or suffering, or surrender, or awareness...

Even the most unaware experience love in many different forms, just because

they are not aware of it, does not mean it doesnt exist.

With Delight

In Light and Love

Lynette

 

"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

 

 

 

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On 9/26/01 at 9:33 AM JustLynette wrote:

 

ºDearest Jan,

º{you said}

ºDoes love require a "must"? How would one become aware of love to begin

ºwith?

ºThat question is its answer - and it can be experientially verified.

ºNo love without awareness but awareness doesn't require anything -

ºit is free.

º

ºNo, love does not require anything, you know that. :))))

 

If i don't feel love anymore, that could be called a sensory discontinuitity...

But freedom still remains... Not a feeling.

º

ºNo Love without Awareness? Again, I say.... Love IS....

 

I am free to say or not to say :)

 

º

ºLove does not require pain, or suffering, or surrender, or awareness...

ºEven the most unaware experience love in many different forms, just

ºbecause

ºthey are not aware of it, does not mean it doesnt exist.

º With Delight

º In Light and Love

º Lynette

 

For many creatures, love isn't important. Zebras will continue their meal

as if nothing happened while a member of the herd serves as a meal for the

lions. And in human life, it is possible to remember the "first and only love" -

which is

sentient life as a whole. Whatever is loved in life is representing this love,

whether a mountain,

a country, a man or a woman or a pet... This love is also the last to die -

called the 2nd death in

the NT. Some mind-bodies remain alive after that... which has to be quite

miraculous.

Something, the Buddha was familiar with...

 

That sentient life could be called "first and only love" is also the explanation

why there are no "good" or bad" events in it: it has been accepted in its

entirety but that is almost immediately forgotten after birth.

 

Peace,

 

Jan

º

º"Shall I always endeavor to write from the heart."

º http://www.geocities.com/poetic_delight/

º

º

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