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On a personal level,

Fear and will come together,

What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.

It comes to leave place to spontaneity...

Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find to

maintain.

I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...

Someone knows? :)

Antoine

 

 

What will you surrender for Love?

Are you willing to give up your fears?

james

 

 

I will surrender all but my Self.

Fear of what? Fear of the unknown perhaps? Is it even fear?

No, it's excitement, awakening of a new day, starting of a new adventure.

Fear, is only unrecognised potential, an adrenal response to a perceived threat

Monica

 

 

 

 

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Antoine Carré

Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM

Re: Surrendering was Love?

 

 

On a personal level,

Fear and will come together,

What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.

It comes to leave place to spontaneity...

Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find to

maintain.

I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...

Someone knows? :)

Antoine

 

 

 

Dear Antoine,

The child you were did not have this dilemma because he was not trying to

maintain anything! :) He just being himself, spontaneously.

You said, "I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity..." I

would say that it is not spontaneity we fear. It is a thought or a sensation

(tied to a thought) that causes fear, for example: "Oh no! What will happen if

I do this?" Rather than going for it, sometimes we bow to that thought and

spontaneity in that particular moment appears lost. Naked spontaneity, our

naturalness, is what remains when the false impressions are removed.

The great miracle is that we don't even have to remove the false

impressions. They vanish by themselves the moment they are seen as false!

Isn't that amazing?

 

Love,

Kheyala (Antoine)

 

P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really sensing that we are

talking to ourselves. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 09/30/2001 2:45:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

harsha-hkl writes:

 

<< Hi Anna Maria,

 

I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainly

appreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent posts.

I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this e-mail

medium.

 

We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love.

 

God bless everyone

Harsha >>

 

If you could take a moment...from blessing god so much...and realize that you

are trying to cover up...a very important thing here that has surfaced in

one.........then maybe...something real could be accomplished...What has

surfaced in one...if realized...and understood where it comes from......could

make a huge difference in her life...

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On 9/30/01 at 2:44 AM Antoine Carré wrote:

 

ºOn a personal level,

ºFear and will come together,

ºWhat limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.

ºIt comes to leave place to spontaneity...

ºBeing spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find

ºto maintain.

ºI don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...

ºSomeone knows? :)

ºAntoine

 

One of the fears is to be (made) ridiculous in front of a large group,

in such a way as not to be able to do anything against it... (and feeling

"victim")...

That shows a connection with "will".

Hence i would object to seeing "child" as the example for

spontaneous behavior - seeing and observing many kids at the

beach, few display spontaneous behavior these days.

 

Spontaneous behavior is "default" when the potential for fear, shame, guilt and

embarrassment no longer exists. As long as that potential remains, spontaneous

behavior is conditioned, like being automatic in company with loved ones but not

when surrounded by strangers.

 

Perhaps contemplating issues like "what is there to lose?"

and "could Love conquer all fear?" will aid...

 

Peace,

Jan

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, "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote:

>

> -

> Antoine Carré

>

> Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM

> Re: Surrendering was Love?

>

>

> On a personal level,

> Fear and will come together,

> What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.

> It comes to leave place to spontaneity...

> Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing

I find to maintain.

> I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...

> Someone knows? :)

> Antoine

>

My son spontaneously put his hand near the hot burner

on the stove ... as I was cooking ... I took it away,

again he put it there, this went on for months as he

watched me cook ... finally, of course, on day he

touched the stove and I didn't catch him in time ...

and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g*

 

And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each

mail about

>

Naked spontaneity, > Love,

> Kheyala and getting in and out of bed

every day ... interestingly how the bed and the

nakedness and the togetherness arose ... >

> P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really

sensing that we are talking to ourselves. :)

 

 

yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you

talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of

nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria

speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking

to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot

of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-)

as many devotees practice

abstinence

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<< One of the fears is to be (made) ridiculous in front of a large

group,in such a way as not to be able to do anything against it...

(and feeling "victim")...That shows a connection with "will". Hence i

would object to seeing "child" as the example forspontaneous behavior

- seeing and observing many kids at thebeach, few display spontaneous

behavior these days. >>

Of course you are perfectly right Jan,

It depends of the childhood we have,

Very fast children learn to become adult,

Reflecting the parterres of their parents.

Antoine

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Hello,

I will retract myself from posting on list, until I come to met Anna Maria in flesh.

It seems this medium is bringing out jealousy where there should be none.

Antoine

- Anna Maria

Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:15 PM

Re: Surrendering was Love?

yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and youtalk to yourself

.... why do you wish to speak of nakedness and the bed to Antoine ...

his Anna Mariaspeak to someone else my dear or continue speakingto

yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss allotof bed and nakedness

on his list ... :-) as many devotees practiceabstinence

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, "Anna Maria" <SunsDove@a...> wrote:

> , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Antoine Carré

> >

> > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM

> > Re: Surrendering was Love?

> >

> >

> > On a personal level,

> > Fear and will come together,

> > What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.

> > It comes to leave place to spontaneity...

> > Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest

thing

> I find to maintain.

> > I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...

> > Someone knows? :)

> > Antoine

> >

> My son spontaneously put his hand near the hot burner

> on the stove ... as I was cooking ... I took it away,

> again he put it there, this went on for months as he

> watched me cook ... finally, of course, on day he

> touched the stove and I didn't catch him in time ...

> and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g*

>

> And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each

> mail about

> >

> Naked spontaneity, > Love,

> > Kheyala and getting in and out of bed

> every day ... interestingly how the bed and the

> nakedness and the togetherness arose ... >

> > P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really

> sensing that we are talking to ourselves. :)

>

>

> yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you

> talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of

> nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria

> speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking

> to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot

> of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-)

> as many devotees practice

> abstinence

 

Yeah Kheyala:

I couldn't believe you came on to Antoine like that. LOL

i AM SHOCKED not to mention turned on.

This list is getting better.

Love Bobby G.

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Anna Maria [sunsDove]

Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:15 PM

Re: Surrendering was Love?

 

 

yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you

talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of

nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria

speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking

to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot

of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-)

as many devotees practice

abstinence

**************************

Hi Anna Maria,

 

I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainly

appreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent posts.

I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this e-mail

medium.

 

We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love.

 

God bless everyone

Harsha

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On 9/30/01 at 5:20 PM Antoine Carré wrote:

<< One of the fears is to be (made) ridiculous in front of a large

group,in such a way as not to be able to do anything against it...

(and feeling "victim")...That shows a connection with "will". Hence i

would object to seeing "child" as the example forspontaneous behavior

- seeing and observing many kids at thebeach, few display spontaneous

behavior these days. >>

 

Of course you are perfectly right Jan,

 

It depends of the childhood we have,

Very fast children learn to become adult,

Reflecting the parterres of their parents.

 

Antoine

 

What my upbringing taught was that from adults,

nothing worthwhile could be learned - that caused

temporary utilitarian adaptation as to make the

best out of every situation... A frame of mind that

did bear fruit - the "bliss of solitude" or "peace".

 

Jan

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....from blessing god so much...and realize that you

> are trying to cover up...

 

Nothing is being covered ... rather it is uncovered ....

 

Two years ago, I saw the hole in the Pentagon ...

 

at the Total Solar Eclipse ... I read not the words

 

of an email but their intent ... as many on this

 

list know ... Antoine and I have already been through

 

alot ... and like a child whose hand is on the hot

 

oven under the darkness is light ... and I see

 

Clairvoyantly the Light ... and Live in the LIght

 

of Love and there we rest in our Hearts ... there

 

is no jealousy Antoine ... you know that ... and

 

you know more than anyone how well I see ...

 

and how well we both feel Clairsentiently ...

 

 

and I wish our AIR and FIRE and EARTH and WATERs

 

to continue in Clear LIGHT.

 

L*L*L

 

Anna Maria van der Zon

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Love is expressed in many different ways. Part of learning to love is

to accept that no one comes with ownership papers. It's upsetting

when our expectations are shattered, but are false expectations worth

losing something incredibly beautiful over? No!

Trust yourself Anna Maria and trust Antoine.

with love Monica

Harsha <harsha-hkl (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

Anna Maria [sunsDove (AT) aol (DOT) com]Sunday, September 30, 2001

5:15 PMSubject:

Re: Surrendering was Love?yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other

and youtalk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak ofnakedness and

the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Mariaspeak to someone else my dear or

continue speakingto yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alotof

bed and nakedness on his list ... :-)as many devotees

practiceabstinence**************************Hi Anna Maria,I think you

may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainlyappreciate

your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent posts.I

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On 9/30/01 at 5:53 PM goldy757 wrote:

 

ºIn a message dated 09/30/2001 2:45:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

ºharsha-hkl writes:

º

º<< Hi Anna Maria,

º

º I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainly

º appreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent

ºposts.

º I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this

ºe-mail

º medium.

º

º We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love.

º

º God bless everyone

º Harsha >>

º

ºIf you could take a moment...from blessing god so much...and realize that

ºyou

ºare trying to cover up...a very important thing here that has surfaced in

ºone.........then maybe...something real could be accomplished...What has

ºsurfaced in one...if realized...and understood where it comes

ºfrom......could

ºmake a huge difference in her life...

 

Thanks for the laugh - when i read something like "God bless

<creatures/objects>"

it almost sounds like a command...

It is always nice to be in the company of those to whom God obeys :)

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I *see*

>

> Clairvoyantly the Light ... and Live in the LIght

>

> of Love and there we rest in our Hearts

 

AND there is nothing worse than psychomumbojumbo

on a list.

 

I'm in *seeing* and we could all say 'oh it's nothing'

but just like with the last remember her? She had

all that being sexually abused as a child she was

trying to work out on the list? Remember her?

 

Can we spare ourselves a re-run and just let it

rest?

 

I"m sure there are people who won't be able to keep

their tongues to themselves, so, wag away ...

 

I liked this list best when it was brand new and

there were just a few brilliant, loving wise souls

and no one was playing silly games other than

acceleration and mass and light... just plain

old love and physics. Glo and Jan and Mira

and Dan and Harsha ... seems years ago, then again,

it was *g*.

 

Love*Light*Laughter,

Anna Maria

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ANtoine,

 

As you know, we have been through this before.

 

Writing of "Sweet Dreams, I go to bed" with your

naked spontaneous heart right next to mine

{Antoine} and {XXX}

 

We've seen this onlist before ... online seduction

online emails, online love notes,

this is not the first time, and it was even

more obvious last time.

 

 

So, it is very easily clear ... it is not

obscure, obtuse, or otherwise ... not cheeky

only cheekily naked.

 

I am hurt, and I have been very heart hurt before

Antoine knows this. He knows I love him, he also

knows that I said, it is fine if he wishes to

go, I rather return to the men here than be in

pain and wait ... I would be an idiot to suffer

this HEART pain again.

 

So, Antoine, I am embarrassed, you are embarrassed,

but neither of us began this, and you and I did

not invite this, and I am not blaming you.

 

I am simply very clear as to my needs in my life

and my clarity includes not suffering humiliation

in public.

 

So, I've written Antoine that David and Alex

and Jim are more than happy to have me return

to real life and not wait for my intuition which

says to me that even after all this time I love

Antoine and he loves me. I know that, I know

it like I know breathing, like I know my intuition

rings true, always ... even when I see horror

like the Pentagon two years before it occurs.

 

So, Antoine, I love you very much and you

know why I fear and now I have made myself

completely clear to the whole world ...

and I thank the whole world for having the

ears to hear

 

and the hearts to hear

 

and the love to understand

 

and the compassion to feel

 

and the eyes to see

 

Deep Love,

Antoine Carre

Anna Maria

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<< So, Antoine, I am embarrassed, you are embarrassed,but neither of

us began this, and you and I didnot invite this, and I am not blaming

you.I am simply very clear as to my needs in my lifeand my clarity

includes not suffering humiliationin public. >>

Anna Maria,

I'm not embarrassed, au contraire.

I am naked and have nothing to hide.

And there is no public here.

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bgbbyg (AT) aol (DOT) com

Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:46 PM

Re: Surrendering was Love?

, "Anna Maria" <SunsDove@a...> wrote:> ---

In , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote:> > > >

- > > Antoine Carré > > To:

> > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44

PM> > Re: Surrendering was Love?> > > > >

> On a personal level,> > Fear and will come together,> > What

limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.> > It comes

to leave place to spontaneity...> > Being spontaneous like the child

I have been is the hardest thing > I find to maintain.> > I don't

know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...> > Someone

knows? :)> > Antoine> > > My son spontaneously put his hand near

the hot burner> on the stove ... as I was cooking ... I took it

away,> again he put it there, this went on for months as he> watched

me cook ... finally, of course, on day he> touched the stove and I

didn't catch him in time ...> and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g*>

> And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each> mail about > >

> Naked spontaneity, > Love,> > Kheyala and getting in and

out of bed> every day ... interestingly how the bed and the>

nakedness and the togetherness arose ... > > > P.S. I put both of

our names together because I am really > sensing that we are talking

to ourselves. :)> > > yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other

and you> talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of > nakedness

and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria> speak to someone else my

dear or continue speaking> to yourself ... Harsha does not really

discuss alot> of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) > as many

devotees practice> abstinenceYeah Kheyala:I couldn't believe you came

on to Antoine like that. LOL i AM SHOCKED not to mention turned

on.This list is getting better.Love Bobby G.

Lol! Oh my gosh. I walked away from the computer for only an hour or

so... and look what HAPPENED??!!

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On 9/30/01 at 3:50 PM Kheyala wrote:

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bgbbyg (AT) aol (DOT) com

(AT) (DOT) .com

Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:46 PM

Re: Surrendering was Love?

., "Anna Maria" <SunsDove@a...> wrote:> ---

In , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote:> > > >

- > > Antoine Carré > > To:

> > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44

PM> > Re: Surrendering was Love?> > > > >

> On a personal level,> > Fear and will come together,> > What

limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.> > It comes

to leave place to spontaneity...> > Being spontaneous like the child

I have been is the hardest thing > I find to maintain.> > I don't

know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...> > Someone

knows? :)> > Antoine> > > My son spontaneously put his hand near

the hot burner> on the stove .... as I was cooking ... I took it

away,> again he put it there, this went on for months as he> watched

me cook ... finally, of course, on day he> touched the stove and I

didn't catch him in time ...> and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g*>

> And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each> mail about > >

> Naked spontaneity, > Love,> > Kheyala and getting in and

out of bed> every day ... interestingly how the bed and the>

nakedness and the togetherness arose ... > > > P.S. I put both of

our names together because I am really > sensing that we are talking

to ourselves. :)> > > yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other

and you> talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of > nakedness

and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria> speak to someone else my

dear or continue speaking> to yourself ... Harsha does not really

discuss alot> of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) > as many

devotees practice> abstinenceYeah Kheyala:I couldn't believe you came

on to Antoine like that. LOL i AM SHOCKED not to mention turned

on.This list is getting better.Love Bobby G.

Lol! Oh my gosh. I walked away from the computer for only an hour or

so... and look what HAPPENED??!!

Don't worry - there's always a perspective where nothing happened! :))

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