Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 On a personal level, Fear and will come together, What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will. It comes to leave place to spontaneity... Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find to maintain. I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity... Someone knows? Antoine What will you surrender for Love? Are you willing to give up your fears? james I will surrender all but my Self. Fear of what? Fear of the unknown perhaps? Is it even fear? No, it's excitement, awakening of a new day, starting of a new adventure. Fear, is only unrecognised potential, an adrenal response to a perceived threat Monica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 - Antoine Carré Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM Re: Surrendering was Love? On a personal level, Fear and will come together, What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will. It comes to leave place to spontaneity... Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find to maintain. I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity... Someone knows? Antoine Dear Antoine, The child you were did not have this dilemma because he was not trying to maintain anything! He just being himself, spontaneously. You said, "I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity..." I would say that it is not spontaneity we fear. It is a thought or a sensation (tied to a thought) that causes fear, for example: "Oh no! What will happen if I do this?" Rather than going for it, sometimes we bow to that thought and spontaneity in that particular moment appears lost. Naked spontaneity, our naturalness, is what remains when the false impressions are removed. The great miracle is that we don't even have to remove the false impressions. They vanish by themselves the moment they are seen as false! Isn't that amazing? Love, Kheyala (Antoine) P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really sensing that we are talking to ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 In a message dated 09/30/2001 2:45:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, harsha-hkl writes: << Hi Anna Maria, I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainly appreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent posts. I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this e-mail medium. We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love. God bless everyone Harsha >> If you could take a moment...from blessing god so much...and realize that you are trying to cover up...a very important thing here that has surfaced in one.........then maybe...something real could be accomplished...What has surfaced in one...if realized...and understood where it comes from......could make a huge difference in her life... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 On 9/30/01 at 2:44 AM Antoine Carré wrote: ºOn a personal level, ºFear and will come together, ºWhat limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will. ºIt comes to leave place to spontaneity... ºBeing spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find ºto maintain. ºI don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity... ºSomeone knows? ºAntoine One of the fears is to be (made) ridiculous in front of a large group, in such a way as not to be able to do anything against it... (and feeling "victim")... That shows a connection with "will". Hence i would object to seeing "child" as the example for spontaneous behavior - seeing and observing many kids at the beach, few display spontaneous behavior these days. Spontaneous behavior is "default" when the potential for fear, shame, guilt and embarrassment no longer exists. As long as that potential remains, spontaneous behavior is conditioned, like being automatic in company with loved ones but not when surrounded by strangers. Perhaps contemplating issues like "what is there to lose?" and "could Love conquer all fear?" will aid... Peace, Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > - > Antoine Carré > > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM > Re: Surrendering was Love? > > > On a personal level, > Fear and will come together, > What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will. > It comes to leave place to spontaneity... > Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing I find to maintain. > I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity... > Someone knows? > Antoine > My son spontaneously put his hand near the hot burner on the stove ... as I was cooking ... I took it away, again he put it there, this went on for months as he watched me cook ... finally, of course, on day he touched the stove and I didn't catch him in time ... and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g* And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each mail about > Naked spontaneity, > Love, > Kheyala and getting in and out of bed every day ... interestingly how the bed and the nakedness and the togetherness arose ... > > P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really sensing that we are talking to ourselves. yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) as many devotees practice abstinence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 << One of the fears is to be (made) ridiculous in front of a large group,in such a way as not to be able to do anything against it... (and feeling "victim")...That shows a connection with "will". Hence i would object to seeing "child" as the example forspontaneous behavior - seeing and observing many kids at thebeach, few display spontaneous behavior these days. >> Of course you are perfectly right Jan, It depends of the childhood we have, Very fast children learn to become adult, Reflecting the parterres of their parents. Antoine ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release 01-09-25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Hello, I will retract myself from posting on list, until I come to met Anna Maria in flesh. It seems this medium is bringing out jealousy where there should be none. Antoine - Anna Maria Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:15 PM Re: Surrendering was Love? yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and youtalk to yourself .... why do you wish to speak of nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Mariaspeak to someone else my dear or continue speakingto yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss allotof bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) as many devotees practiceabstinence ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release 01-09-25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 , "Anna Maria" <SunsDove@a...> wrote: > , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote: > > > > - > > Antoine Carré > > > > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM > > Re: Surrendering was Love? > > > > > > On a personal level, > > Fear and will come together, > > What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will. > > It comes to leave place to spontaneity... > > Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing > I find to maintain. > > I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity... > > Someone knows? > > Antoine > > > My son spontaneously put his hand near the hot burner > on the stove ... as I was cooking ... I took it away, > again he put it there, this went on for months as he > watched me cook ... finally, of course, on day he > touched the stove and I didn't catch him in time ... > and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g* > > And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each > mail about > > > Naked spontaneity, > Love, > > Kheyala and getting in and out of bed > every day ... interestingly how the bed and the > nakedness and the togetherness arose ... > > > P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really > sensing that we are talking to ourselves. > > > yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you > talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of > nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria > speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking > to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot > of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) > as many devotees practice > abstinence Yeah Kheyala: I couldn't believe you came on to Antoine like that. LOL i AM SHOCKED not to mention turned on. This list is getting better. Love Bobby G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Anna Maria [sunsDove] Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:15 PM Re: Surrendering was Love? yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) as many devotees practice abstinence ************************** Hi Anna Maria, I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainly appreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent posts. I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this e-mail medium. We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love. God bless everyone Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 On 9/30/01 at 5:20 PM Antoine Carré wrote: << One of the fears is to be (made) ridiculous in front of a large group,in such a way as not to be able to do anything against it... (and feeling "victim")...That shows a connection with "will". Hence i would object to seeing "child" as the example forspontaneous behavior - seeing and observing many kids at thebeach, few display spontaneous behavior these days. >> Of course you are perfectly right Jan, It depends of the childhood we have, Very fast children learn to become adult, Reflecting the parterres of their parents. Antoine What my upbringing taught was that from adults, nothing worthwhile could be learned - that caused temporary utilitarian adaptation as to make the best out of every situation... A frame of mind that did bear fruit - the "bliss of solitude" or "peace". Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 ....from blessing god so much...and realize that you > are trying to cover up... Nothing is being covered ... rather it is uncovered .... Two years ago, I saw the hole in the Pentagon ... at the Total Solar Eclipse ... I read not the words of an email but their intent ... as many on this list know ... Antoine and I have already been through alot ... and like a child whose hand is on the hot oven under the darkness is light ... and I see Clairvoyantly the Light ... and Live in the LIght of Love and there we rest in our Hearts ... there is no jealousy Antoine ... you know that ... and you know more than anyone how well I see ... and how well we both feel Clairsentiently ... and I wish our AIR and FIRE and EARTH and WATERs to continue in Clear LIGHT. L*L*L Anna Maria van der Zon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Love is expressed in many different ways. Part of learning to love is to accept that no one comes with ownership papers. It's upsetting when our expectations are shattered, but are false expectations worth losing something incredibly beautiful over? No! Trust yourself Anna Maria and trust Antoine. with love Monica Harsha <harsha-hkl (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote: Anna Maria [sunsDove (AT) aol (DOT) com]Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:15 PMSubject: Re: Surrendering was Love?yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and youtalk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak ofnakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Mariaspeak to someone else my dear or continue speakingto yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alotof bed and nakedness on his list ... :-)as many devotees practiceabstinence**************************Hi Anna Maria,I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainlyappreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent posts.I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this e-mailmedium.We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love.God bless everyoneHarsha------------------------ Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->FREE COLLEGE MONEYCLICK HERE to search600,000 scholarships!http://us.click./ujOgTC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/bpSolB/TM---~->/join All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject to Listen to your Mail messages from any phone with by Phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 On 9/30/01 at 5:53 PM goldy757 wrote: ºIn a message dated 09/30/2001 2:45:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ºharsha-hkl writes: º º<< Hi Anna Maria, º º I think you may have read too much into what Kheyala said. I certainly º appreciate your feelings for Antoine and vice versa given the recent ºposts. º I think there has been a misunderstanding which is quite easy on this ºe-mail º medium. º º We all wish you all the happiness and joy in friendship and love. º º God bless everyone º Harsha >> º ºIf you could take a moment...from blessing god so much...and realize that ºyou ºare trying to cover up...a very important thing here that has surfaced in ºone.........then maybe...something real could be accomplished...What has ºsurfaced in one...if realized...and understood where it comes ºfrom......could ºmake a huge difference in her life... Thanks for the laugh - when i read something like "God bless <creatures/objects>" it almost sounds like a command... It is always nice to be in the company of those to whom God obeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 I *see* > > Clairvoyantly the Light ... and Live in the LIght > > of Love and there we rest in our Hearts AND there is nothing worse than psychomumbojumbo on a list. I'm in *seeing* and we could all say 'oh it's nothing' but just like with the last remember her? She had all that being sexually abused as a child she was trying to work out on the list? Remember her? Can we spare ourselves a re-run and just let it rest? I"m sure there are people who won't be able to keep their tongues to themselves, so, wag away ... I liked this list best when it was brand new and there were just a few brilliant, loving wise souls and no one was playing silly games other than acceleration and mass and light... just plain old love and physics. Glo and Jan and Mira and Dan and Harsha ... seems years ago, then again, it was *g*. Love*Light*Laughter, Anna Maria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 ANtoine, As you know, we have been through this before. Writing of "Sweet Dreams, I go to bed" with your naked spontaneous heart right next to mine {Antoine} and {XXX} We've seen this onlist before ... online seduction online emails, online love notes, this is not the first time, and it was even more obvious last time. So, it is very easily clear ... it is not obscure, obtuse, or otherwise ... not cheeky only cheekily naked. I am hurt, and I have been very heart hurt before Antoine knows this. He knows I love him, he also knows that I said, it is fine if he wishes to go, I rather return to the men here than be in pain and wait ... I would be an idiot to suffer this HEART pain again. So, Antoine, I am embarrassed, you are embarrassed, but neither of us began this, and you and I did not invite this, and I am not blaming you. I am simply very clear as to my needs in my life and my clarity includes not suffering humiliation in public. So, I've written Antoine that David and Alex and Jim are more than happy to have me return to real life and not wait for my intuition which says to me that even after all this time I love Antoine and he loves me. I know that, I know it like I know breathing, like I know my intuition rings true, always ... even when I see horror like the Pentagon two years before it occurs. So, Antoine, I love you very much and you know why I fear and now I have made myself completely clear to the whole world ... and I thank the whole world for having the ears to hear and the hearts to hear and the love to understand and the compassion to feel and the eyes to see Deep Love, Antoine Carre Anna Maria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 << So, Antoine, I am embarrassed, you are embarrassed,but neither of us began this, and you and I didnot invite this, and I am not blaming you.I am simply very clear as to my needs in my lifeand my clarity includes not suffering humiliationin public. >> Anna Maria, I'm not embarrassed, au contraire. I am naked and have nothing to hide. And there is no public here. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release 01-09-25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 - bgbbyg (AT) aol (DOT) com Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:46 PM Re: Surrendering was Love? , "Anna Maria" <SunsDove@a...> wrote:> --- In , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote:> > > > - > > Antoine Carré > > To: > > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM> > Re: Surrendering was Love?> > > > > > On a personal level,> > Fear and will come together,> > What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.> > It comes to leave place to spontaneity...> > Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing > I find to maintain.> > I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...> > Someone knows? > > Antoine> > > My son spontaneously put his hand near the hot burner> on the stove ... as I was cooking ... I took it away,> again he put it there, this went on for months as he> watched me cook ... finally, of course, on day he> touched the stove and I didn't catch him in time ...> and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g*> > And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each> mail about > > > Naked spontaneity, > Love,> > Kheyala and getting in and out of bed> every day ... interestingly how the bed and the> nakedness and the togetherness arose ... > > > P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really > sensing that we are talking to ourselves. > > > yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you> talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of > nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria> speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking> to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot> of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) > as many devotees practice> abstinenceYeah Kheyala:I couldn't believe you came on to Antoine like that. LOL i AM SHOCKED not to mention turned on.This list is getting better.Love Bobby G. Lol! Oh my gosh. I walked away from the computer for only an hour or so... and look what HAPPENED??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 On 9/30/01 at 3:50 PM Kheyala wrote: - bgbbyg (AT) aol (DOT) com (AT) (DOT) .com Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:46 PM Re: Surrendering was Love? ., "Anna Maria" <SunsDove@a...> wrote:> --- In , "Kheyala" <kheyala@n...> wrote:> > > > - > > Antoine Carré > > To: > > Saturday, September 29, 2001 11:44 PM> > Re: Surrendering was Love?> > > > > > On a personal level,> > Fear and will come together,> > What limits what I can surrender is the deepness of my will.> > It comes to leave place to spontaneity...> > Being spontaneous like the child I have been is the hardest thing > I find to maintain.> > I don't know why it is of our nature to fear spontaneity...> > Someone knows? > > Antoine> > > My son spontaneously put his hand near the hot burner> on the stove .... as I was cooking ... I took it away,> again he put it there, this went on for months as he> watched me cook ... finally, of course, on day he> touched the stove and I didn't catch him in time ...> and he was burnt ... spontaneously *g*> > And, he, even though only nine doesn't write in each> mail about > > > Naked spontaneity, > Love,> > Kheyala and getting in and out of bed> every day ... interestingly how the bed and the> nakedness and the togetherness arose ... > > > P.S. I put both of our names together because I am really > sensing that we are talking to ourselves. > > > yes, i've noticed we all talk to each other and you> talk to yourself ... why do you wish to speak of > nakedness and the bed to Antoine ... his Anna Maria> speak to someone else my dear or continue speaking> to yourself ... Harsha does not really discuss alot> of bed and nakedness on his list ... :-) > as many devotees practice> abstinenceYeah Kheyala:I couldn't believe you came on to Antoine like that. LOL i AM SHOCKED not to mention turned on.This list is getting better.Love Bobby G. Lol! Oh my gosh. I walked away from the computer for only an hour or so... and look what HAPPENED??!! Don't worry - there's always a perspective where nothing happened! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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